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Futuremedstudent

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    Futuremedstudent reacted to dragonxx in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    so if a woman has her face showing, and lets say she knows by going to a random fashion show, men will look lustfully, would she have any blame in this regard if she went anyway?
    Because as far as I remember, I've come across the idea (I don't have a reference on-hand) that if you will be forced into sin by going somewhere unnecessary, you shouldn't go. 
    I have a feeling you'll disagree, which is okay! We'll leave it here.
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    Futuremedstudent reacted to Gaius I. Caesar in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    How about not participating at all? After all, we were told to lower our gaze in the first place. The screen idea is more fuel for bigots and Islamophobes  to threaten us because we "oppress" women.
    Screens, niqab and burqas are from culture anyway,  not Islam.  This is going to sound harsh but I think  it is an incredibly stupid idea.
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    Futuremedstudent reacted to dragonxx in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    ?
    Every news article is labelling her a hijabi because that is what she identifies as. Clearly, she wants to be identified as hijabi.
    There are many muslims and non-muslims who wear a loose scarf across the world, they don't say "I'm wearing hijab". They say I'm wearing a "scarf".
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    Futuremedstudent reacted to Gaius I. Caesar in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    Thank you for the clarification, it is starting to make sense to me and I agree with you.
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    Futuremedstudent reacted to dragonxx in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    So you admit it IS indeed a criteria? 
    Tis is just semantics, you know what I mean.
     
    The title of the article is "Muslim law student, 20, becomes first beauty queen to wear hijab in the Miss England finals 2018". Clearly, she made it a point to identify as wearing a hijab - the term that is used in modern day to indicate an Islamic appearance. 
    Why is she bragging about being a hijabi beauty queen? Why doesn't it simply say she is a beauty queen who happens to be a muslim?
    It's like when a terror attack occurs and the first thing the West does is label him a Muslim Terrorist, as if all muslims are terrorists. There are indeed muslims who happen to be terrorists.
    There are muslims who happen to join beauty pageants. There are muslims who happen to drink alcohol, who happen to engage in pornographic websites, etc. I don't care in these instances
    But she is doing the opposite, which is what I have a problem with and why I care, she is taking an Islamic representation, twisting it, and using it for her personal gain. Hope the distinction is clear now.
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    Futuremedstudent got a reaction from wmehar2 in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    That is also possible, it is actually best to study oneself and find the truth. But, I hold in believing in experts or I wouldn't study years to become a doctor if no one took my word for anything.
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    Futuremedstudent got a reaction from dragonxx in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    That is also possible, it is actually best to study oneself and find the truth. But, I hold in believing in experts or I wouldn't study years to become a doctor if no one took my word for anything.
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    Futuremedstudent reacted to dragonxx in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    Almost forgot to reply, sorry, wanted to say basically that I think it escalated as a reaction. The assumption was made that the beauty girl was being attacked as a human being, then the counter assumption was made that her decision of 'identifying as a muslim hijabi & participating in a beauty pageant' is being defended as a result of the first assumption, and this is what escalated this thread I believe. Whether she is fasid as a person or not doesn't really matter, she has definitely spread a negative & sinful idea by her action.
    Indeed I don't think anyone in this thread thinks they're perfect or know everything.
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    Futuremedstudent got a reaction from wmehar2 in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    These are certainly good questions and iA the ones that will lead you to the correct path as well. Please check out this link: http://www.islamquest.net/en/archive/question/fa1078. Of course there are probably many more sources for more info on this. A questioning nature is great is we should all reflect and follow the correct path iA.
     
    Edit: the best analogy I found here is that people always go to experts for whatever cause; if for medical reason one goes to a doctor and I presume people take their word for it.
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    Futuremedstudent got a reaction from dragonxx in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    Same thing no matter how trivial something seems. The concept of tyranny and corruption is there. You know what if it was not publicized I don't think anyone would give a danish. 
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    Futuremedstudent reacted to dragonxx in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    I feel like this "don't judge" mentality is heavily misplaced in this thread. I really don't think anyone was attacking the girl as a muslim person, but rather was attacking her decision, as I have emphasized previously. I won't repeat myself and won't bother to respond to the couple of replies I got because despite explaining clearly, people are still painting their own narrative of what I'm saying.
    It feels as though, if a muslim hijabi girl came out and was the "first muslim hijabi to take part in a porn movie", and we were to criticize that, some people here would say "Don't judge her, it's not your place". Please don't come at me with "that example is too extreme" - it's the same principle. We aren't judging the person as a human or whether they will end up in heaven or hell, nobody is saying anything of that, we are judging the decision & representation. So stop with the misplaced "don't judge" because we aren't judging what you insist we are judging.
    Lastly, if you publicly engage in an act that is clearly contrary to Islamic principles, such as hosting a hippy-rock concert, you are, by definition, spreading fasad. Being ignorant isn't an excuse; there is a reaction to every action.
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    Futuremedstudent reacted to wmehar2 in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    I dont know if what i have is knowledge, but from I see...Corruption will be there , as it was before the prophet Muhammad, and will be there after.
    It's not the amount of corruption we are charged with controlling or lessening, it's how we respond to it. For Qur'an reminds many times that Allah told our prophet that he is a reminder, a warner, nothing more but a messenger.
    This is why men are just as much blamed for not lowering their gaze and guarding their parts, before the verse even addresses women.  I induce that a man's sin won't be lifted or lightened if it was the woman who came seducing or tempting him fat full blast of nudity. 
    Advise, warn, but not judge or condensed, or speak Ill of ( what we wouldn't say to them in front of their face).
    49:11
     O believers, let not any people scoff at another people who may be better than they; neither let women scoff at women who may be better than themselves. And find not fault with one another, neither revile one another by nicknames. An evil name is ungodliness after belief. And whoso repents not, those -- they are the evildoers.
    I referenced the verses that speak of the veil, quite frankly I didn't see contention with her outfit or makeup.  Chest covered,  hair covered mostly, makeup...well that just covers her face, doesn't really bring out the beauty she already has..... so..no. in my view I don't see a violation.  Not enough to invoke the reactions I'm seeing here...
    This... is another way to illustrate my point .
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    Futuremedstudent reacted to Carlzone in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    @wmehar2
    I'll stand against fasad every day of the week. 
    I don't care what selfdeceiving people think. I care about Allah SWTs truth. Deviant people's opinions have no value to me or islamically either for that matter. 
    If you are interested in knowing halal and haram in this matter I already told you to contact Sayyid Sistanis office. Obviously you are not interested in that. You seem more interested in justifying haram. I will never agree with you on that.
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    Futuremedstudent reacted to Carlzone in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    @Futuremedstudent
    I'm happy to see sisters who are striving for higher knowledge and who have all opportunities to do fasad in the West - still hold steadfastly to the hijab! 
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    Futuremedstudent got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    The points you are making have no connection whatsoever to this "hijabi model". I completely know what showing concern is to people and of course assisting them towards the right path. I believe this is what everyone on SC is doing unless they are trolls. Since you brought up Quranic verses, 
    I can bring up Quranic verses in doing sins, no? I mean even in the Quran (I am of course summarizing) says somewhere I do not recall; eat and drink and say bismallah where the other sect of Islam assumed that to be everything is permissible except pork. Whereas one is supposed to eat halal for example. Interpreting Quranic verses is not my strength-- I leave that to those higher in knowledge.
    Do you seriously think she is forced to expose herself to harm. I believe, and this is truly assumption that she has decided through her own rationale to join the beauty pageant the mentality of " I hope she isn't exposing herself to harm. by wearing or doing what she is doing " or something along those lines." does not apply here since there is no reported harm in going to a beauty pageant, Being a police officer is a whole different matter since that is exposing yourself to legitimate danger.
    To summarize; I agree we all must respect every human being, show concern and take care of one another, and GUIDE people to the correct path. Sometimes its tough guiding people to the correct path since they will feel inferior- I get that- but truth is truth and nothing must cover up falsehood. 
    Why do we guide people to the correct path in the first place? Why not let Allah swt. guide people you may ask. I believe @Carlzone has answered this question previously and it has to do with  " 3aml bill ma3roof and nahi 3an al momkar, since one can't support people's sins."
    Then now you may ask well she isn't sinning? If that is the case it depends on who you are, other beliefs may say she is doing nothing wrong (not going to name beliefs, you get the point), but since Islam is a religion of prevention and guidance for all worldly and societal functions, we all know there are prescribed rules and guidelines people must follow should they call themselves Muslim in the first place.
    Now you may ask she is trying to become Muslim. Good for her. That is not a great start.
    End of story hopefully that cleared up all your concerns as well.
     
     
     
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    Futuremedstudent reacted to Ashvazdanghe in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    if we approve her work & other muslim women follow her work nothing from Islam remains for normalization , this beauty circus has same agenda that Christians used for muslims in Spain to spread sins amongst them that after that they could easily defeat Muslims & massacre them in Andalusia .
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    Futuremedstudent reacted to dragonxx in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    Thing is, before 9/11 and more recent "terroristic" groups like ISIS, as far as my understanding goes, muslims were already well-accepted and integrated in Western society. Many people before 9/11 said that they used to go to the muslim businessman for a good, honest deal where they know they wouldn't be cheated. Likewise nobody really cared about hijabi women, they let them be them, especially in Northern U.S and Canada.
    I never proposed a counter appeal, because I don't know what would work. However this appeal is damaging to muslims. It doesn't matter that they're steadfast in their beliefs because this just means more pressure from family, friends, and society to be more modern, more pressure to be like that girl. This pressure isn't necessary on top of what they have to deal with already. Some women come from muslim-by-name families and they don't know better and may run with the idea that that type of hijab is ok, or they may feel left out and new to religion so they'll just conform. I can go on and on with the examples but this I think is enough.
    Sure, mistakes are necessary, but they have consequences, especially from an Islamic perspective (ex. a person who suddenly throws himself in front of your car dies, you still have to pay a certain amount of money to his family).
    When it is more than a mistake (i.e. blatant hypocrisy), as which is the case with this Law student, she deserves nothing except backlash (in my opinion).
    Edit:
    Overall I think you're contradicting yourself, first you say we should take baby steps to be accepted in Western society, then you say true muslims shouldn't care what pressure Western society exerts on them.
    All I'm saying is, don't give muslims more trouble than they have to deal with, no matter how faithful they are. Keep your mistakes and your personal desires/problems away from the umbrella of an entire religion.
    I'd wager this was a publicity stunt by the lady in question, but Allah knows best.
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    Futuremedstudent reacted to dragonxx in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    where is the hijab? lol.
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    Futuremedstudent reacted to Laayla in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    Thank you, there is no point now for me to argue anything further.  
    M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah
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    Futuremedstudent reacted to Ashvazdanghe in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    Her dress doesn't has any islamic codes ,her dress is just for humiliating of Islamic dress code ,her dress worser than her makeup .
    with any intention her action is wrong & Haram & her money hurts the charity instead of helping to charity anyway doing good deeds through bad deeds prohibited in shia Islam by Imam Sadiq (as) 
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    Futuremedstudent reacted to Ashvazdanghe in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    Salam this is doing Halal by Haram money that has no use for her & suffering children.
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    Futuremedstudent reacted to abuhaydar in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    Reading through the thread, I didn't find anyone attacking the girl... just voicing that a Muslim beauty pageant is wrong.  And it is, no matter which way you rotate it. Beauty pageants even without Muslims are wrong.

    This whole "not judging" mantra is very false. I doubt anyone here even knows her name or remembers what she looks like ( I don't). But if you see something wrong you should speak out, and not stay silent. Maybe someone who was thinking of following her suit read this thread and changed her mind. You are calling for a very dangerous type of freedom. The type that will lead to the sick society that is now USA or the "free world". 
    BTW it is called "freedom" but it is actually slavery. 
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    Futuremedstudent got a reaction from 2Timeless in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    Also as a side note-- there is such thing of gaining knowledge. I know literature and if there is anything many works of literature talk about westernization or Orientalism. It is up to the seeker of truth to gain and seek knowledge. Islam says for everyone to seek and gain knowledge whether Islamic knowledge, mathematics, medicine etc.
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    Futuremedstudent got a reaction from 2Timeless in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    alright bro you do you. 
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    Futuremedstudent got a reaction from 2Timeless in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    You seem like the type who wouldn't care if any female related to you acted like the supposed "hijabi". Props for your ignorance. 
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