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Futuremedstudent

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    Futuremedstudent got a reaction from Carlzone in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    One is not forced to become a "hijabi". There is no compulsion in religion there is Quranic evidence to back that up. If one does not want to wear hijab their choice. As for equating to fasad-- yes of course. There are so called Muslims causing trouble around the world because they call themselves Muslims-- even though any rational person would not think of them to be Muslim. Fasad or corruption in English terms can be something really simple or huge, because simple issues rise to larger issues-- that is overall the concept of corruption. There are actually you tube videos online where people pretend they are hijabis and people legitimately believe them--who do haram acts which I will not discuss. Now you may say a beauty pageant is not haram well I can say participating in music videos is not haram too then.
    You see that's how corruption starts. 
     
    I am actually surprised this topic/ discussion is still continued. 
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    Futuremedstudent reacted to dragonxx in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    Maybe not for you, I was simply making a conclusion that even you would have to admit to. My view is much more than simply just that as per my previous posts. Besides, she stated herself as above 
    Is this not spreading a message of "have pride in how you look and show it off to people", I wonder how the many ways people will interpret this across the world lol.
    Perhaps for you they vary, I acknowledge and respect your view, but my view is set and stone and she violates far more than just principle for me.
    Ironically, a posted in another thread just earlier today, I've heard growing up that if a woman is so beautiful that she attracts lustful looks everywhere she goes just from her face, she should wear niqab (although the only place on this planet this MIGHT apply is an insanely attractive woman living in Saudi, i.e. I don't think it applies in this day and age due to social norms and exposure to veil-less/nude women). I asked for a reference and hopefully someone can find a reference for this rule, because it is admittedly something I heard. However, it does make sense.
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    Futuremedstudent reacted to dragonxx in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    I respect that, you should never reach conclusions based off that.
    Honestly, there is one definite consensus in regards to physical hijab - it should conceal physical beauty. To what extent? that is up for debate I suppose across schools as you've said, however the underlying aforementioned principle is set and stone across every muslim on the planet. Meaning bottom-line, the law student is certainly contradicting this principle by claiming "hijab" and participating in that which contains a criteria where a woman is judged on her physical beauty.
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    Futuremedstudent reacted to dragonxx in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    Yes, I'm aware news always contains half-truths if not full-on lies, but there is no twisting necessary in this single aspect.
    1000s of women on this planet wear a cap like the one she is wearing for example, both muslim and non-muslim. If you go to the middle-east, you will see 100s of women on the streets wearing a "sheila", and when you ask them they will say they are not wearing "hijab", they are just wearing a "sheila" (headscarf). Why would a media outlet look at a style like hers and label it hijab when it has NO resemblance at all? There is literally no other logical conclusion than she herself identified as hijabi. You don't look at a normally-dressed person and call them a policewoman unless they identify as such. What is so difficult and/or antagonizing about this logic? What is there about this to twist and what agenda does it fulfill?
    We don't need to know the woman as a person, just like we don't need to know a police officer personally to believe they are police when they state they're a police officer and wave their badge. It is clear what she herself has put forth and what she is proud about.
    It's common sense really.
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    Futuremedstudent reacted to dragonxx in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    Uhm that was not my point. What I said there was in direct response to I&M saying that beauty pageants are about so much more than physical beauty, and I&M gave the example of that movie where a girl was basically winning because of her answers and not how she looks - to which I replied then if the physical beauty of a women doesn't matter, then let her be behind a screen while she allows insight into her beautiful mind.
    Bottom line is, beauty pageants were created initially for judging physical beauty, and to this day, physical beauty is a criteria. 
    By participating, you are unnecessarily allowing individuals to pass a judgement on you based on your physical beauty.
    I don't know what else is judged, I'm not familiar with pageants, but I daresay that the issue of physical beauty wouldn't even be the only problematic thing.
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    Futuremedstudent got a reaction from shia farm girl in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    My opinion is first of all that is NOT hijab. Seriously inflicting the wrong impression of what hijabis are supposed to look like. Western people will believe that is what constitutes hijab and that is a shame and disgrace for all practicing hijabis. I don't care if that shows a "good impression" of muslims-- afterall that is subjective and it is what the media chooses to show. Why not show the thousands of muslims donating food on Arbaeen? Why not show Muslim charities etc. Next thing you know they will show "hijabi's" singing and dancing-- which unfortunately already happened. I hope that got my point across. 
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    Futuremedstudent got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    These assumptions are on point- great job. So assumptions are alright huh? To enlighten y'all about education--read my previous posts. Are you saying talking with unbelievers is haram?! Wow you really don't know anything about Islam do you! I personally wear Islamically modest clothes--I do not label them Eastern or Western as you do. I believe some Eastern styles are equally haram as Western styles so its up to those who are able to distinguish what is permissible and what is not. As for normalizing western traditions-- I do not even know how that is possible-- its up to the person to chose to assimilate or not-- you can't just assume like you are doing.
     
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    Futuremedstudent got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    The points you are making have no connection whatsoever to this "hijabi model". I completely know what showing concern is to people and of course assisting them towards the right path. I believe this is what everyone on SC is doing unless they are trolls. Since you brought up Quranic verses, 
    I can bring up Quranic verses in doing sins, no? I mean even in the Quran (I am of course summarizing) says somewhere I do not recall; eat and drink and say bismallah where the other sect of Islam assumed that to be everything is permissible except pork. Whereas one is supposed to eat halal for example. Interpreting Quranic verses is not my strength-- I leave that to those higher in knowledge.
    Do you seriously think she is forced to expose herself to harm. I believe, and this is truly assumption that she has decided through her own rationale to join the beauty pageant the mentality of " I hope she isn't exposing herself to harm. by wearing or doing what she is doing " or something along those lines." does not apply here since there is no reported harm in going to a beauty pageant, Being a police officer is a whole different matter since that is exposing yourself to legitimate danger.
    To summarize; I agree we all must respect every human being, show concern and take care of one another, and GUIDE people to the correct path. Sometimes its tough guiding people to the correct path since they will feel inferior- I get that- but truth is truth and nothing must cover up falsehood. 
    Why do we guide people to the correct path in the first place? Why not let Allah swt. guide people you may ask. I believe @Carlzone has answered this question previously and it has to do with  " 3aml bill ma3roof and nahi 3an al momkar, since one can't support people's sins."
    Then now you may ask well she isn't sinning? If that is the case it depends on who you are, other beliefs may say she is doing nothing wrong (not going to name beliefs, you get the point), but since Islam is a religion of prevention and guidance for all worldly and societal functions, we all know there are prescribed rules and guidelines people must follow should they call themselves Muslim in the first place.
    Now you may ask she is trying to become Muslim. Good for her. That is not a great start.
    End of story hopefully that cleared up all your concerns as well.
     
     
     
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    Futuremedstudent got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    I had to xD at this post. All your "salah", "khums", and "zakah" won't matter if you sin. WOW if only people actually know about Islam then this topic would not have been so long. This is not a matter of "a girl doing a beauty pageant" anymore. This discussion is getting larger into the realm of people who sin and influence others which IS A NECESSARY DISCUSSION since that is quite prevalent now a days that people don't know what is permissible and what is not-- really sad actually because purported so called pious Muslims on these SC discussions think they are superior to Allah swt rules and can make up their own opinions-- you all know who you are, you can't run away from the correct path by covering up falsehood. 
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    Futuremedstudent reacted to dragonxx in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    I understand there are different meanings to beauty.
    But as above, physical beauty that is perceived by the human eye is a criteria, whether minor or major.
    If you want to carry out those types of beauty pageants, then have these woman participating give their answers from behind a screen.
    Edit:
    "Woman in hijab are still physically attractive, it seems like you’ve forgotten that."
    No I haven't. If you are purposely putting your attraction on display when it is not a part of your regular life, you don't know what the veil is. Just so I'm not misunderstood - if you are going for a walk down the street and you happen to still look good despite proper hijab and people look, that's not your fault. But if you know there are a group of guys at the end of the street who you know will lust after you, you best cross the street rather than thinking "I don't care that they're looking at me lustfully".
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    Futuremedstudent reacted to dragonxx in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    Guys, even if the only thing that was showing was her face and she had zero makeup,
    a very clear principle in Islam is to conceal one's beauty (perhaps we disagree on this?),
    Participating in a beauty pageant is opposite to this, no matter what other accolades may come with it.
    As I said, I would not care if she was a participant in a beauty pageant who happens to be a "muslim hijabi". But clearly she has presented herself as a muslim hijabi participating in a beauty pageant. Please understand this distinction.
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    Futuremedstudent got a reaction from wmehar2 in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    Thank you all for a great discussion. 
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    Futuremedstudent got a reaction from Carlzone in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    First research how corruption starts look into history then you will know. Do you think Islam benefits in any way whatsoever in this matter? Is it not oppressive that silent Muslim women out there are unable to publicize what their version of hijab is? This particular contestant is exercising power and oppression over other Muslim women to act like her to be successful and that is what tyranny is. It sets standards for what other Muslim women should act and be like which the majority of Muslim women disagree with if I must say so myself.
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    Futuremedstudent reacted to Laayla in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    My position in chastity is clear.  You want to be judged by Allah, excellent.  Your posts will be a testament for you.  I won't put myself in your mudslinging.  
    Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
    Ciao!
    ___________________
    Bismehe Ta3ala 
    Assalam Alikum 
    I pray to God during the start of Muharram, that the speakers that are lined up to speak in the centers, masjids, hussayniya for the love of Zahra a.s. be brave enough to discuss the hijab of Sayyida Fatimah, Sayyida Zaynab and Sayyida Maryam.  To dedicate a night or two on the interactions of non-mahrams, what is chastity in Pure Islam, Quran and safeguarding your private parts (MEN & women, before I get jumped on). I put the responsibility on the leadership of the centers to address these topics.  
    M3 Salamah, Fe Amin Allah 
    AM
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    Futuremedstudent reacted to dragonxx in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    so if a woman has her face showing, and lets say she knows by going to a random fashion show, men will look lustfully, would she have any blame in this regard if she went anyway?
    Because as far as I remember, I've come across the idea (I don't have a reference on-hand) that if you will be forced into sin by going somewhere unnecessary, you shouldn't go. 
    I have a feeling you'll disagree, which is okay! We'll leave it here.
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    Futuremedstudent reacted to Gaius I. Caesar in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    How about not participating at all? After all, we were told to lower our gaze in the first place. The screen idea is more fuel for bigots and Islamophobes  to threaten us because we "oppress" women.
    Screens, niqab and burqas are from culture anyway,  not Islam.  This is going to sound harsh but I think  it is an incredibly stupid idea.
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    Futuremedstudent reacted to dragonxx in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    ?
    Every news article is labelling her a hijabi because that is what she identifies as. Clearly, she wants to be identified as hijabi.
    There are many muslims and non-muslims who wear a loose scarf across the world, they don't say "I'm wearing hijab". They say I'm wearing a "scarf".
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    Futuremedstudent reacted to Gaius I. Caesar in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    Thank you for the clarification, it is starting to make sense to me and I agree with you.
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    Futuremedstudent reacted to dragonxx in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    So you admit it IS indeed a criteria? 
    Tis is just semantics, you know what I mean.
     
    The title of the article is "Muslim law student, 20, becomes first beauty queen to wear hijab in the Miss England finals 2018". Clearly, she made it a point to identify as wearing a hijab - the term that is used in modern day to indicate an Islamic appearance. 
    Why is she bragging about being a hijabi beauty queen? Why doesn't it simply say she is a beauty queen who happens to be a muslim?
    It's like when a terror attack occurs and the first thing the West does is label him a Muslim Terrorist, as if all muslims are terrorists. There are indeed muslims who happen to be terrorists.
    There are muslims who happen to join beauty pageants. There are muslims who happen to drink alcohol, who happen to engage in pornographic websites, etc. I don't care in these instances
    But she is doing the opposite, which is what I have a problem with and why I care, she is taking an Islamic representation, twisting it, and using it for her personal gain. Hope the distinction is clear now.
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    Futuremedstudent got a reaction from wmehar2 in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    That is also possible, it is actually best to study oneself and find the truth. But, I hold in believing in experts or I wouldn't study years to become a doctor if no one took my word for anything.
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    Futuremedstudent got a reaction from dragonxx in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    That is also possible, it is actually best to study oneself and find the truth. But, I hold in believing in experts or I wouldn't study years to become a doctor if no one took my word for anything.
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    Futuremedstudent reacted to dragonxx in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    Almost forgot to reply, sorry, wanted to say basically that I think it escalated as a reaction. The assumption was made that the beauty girl was being attacked as a human being, then the counter assumption was made that her decision of 'identifying as a muslim hijabi & participating in a beauty pageant' is being defended as a result of the first assumption, and this is what escalated this thread I believe. Whether she is fasid as a person or not doesn't really matter, she has definitely spread a negative & sinful idea by her action.
    Indeed I don't think anyone in this thread thinks they're perfect or know everything.
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    Futuremedstudent got a reaction from wmehar2 in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    These are certainly good questions and iA the ones that will lead you to the correct path as well. Please check out this link: http://www.islamquest.net/en/archive/question/fa1078. Of course there are probably many more sources for more info on this. A questioning nature is great is we should all reflect and follow the correct path iA.
     
    Edit: the best analogy I found here is that people always go to experts for whatever cause; if for medical reason one goes to a doctor and I presume people take their word for it.
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    Futuremedstudent got a reaction from dragonxx in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    Same thing no matter how trivial something seems. The concept of tyranny and corruption is there. You know what if it was not publicized I don't think anyone would give a danish. 
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    Futuremedstudent reacted to dragonxx in Hijabi Muslim becomes first Miss England Finalist   
    I feel like this "don't judge" mentality is heavily misplaced in this thread. I really don't think anyone was attacking the girl as a muslim person, but rather was attacking her decision, as I have emphasized previously. I won't repeat myself and won't bother to respond to the couple of replies I got because despite explaining clearly, people are still painting their own narrative of what I'm saying.
    It feels as though, if a muslim hijabi girl came out and was the "first muslim hijabi to take part in a porn movie", and we were to criticize that, some people here would say "Don't judge her, it's not your place". Please don't come at me with "that example is too extreme" - it's the same principle. We aren't judging the person as a human or whether they will end up in heaven or hell, nobody is saying anything of that, we are judging the decision & representation. So stop with the misplaced "don't judge" because we aren't judging what you insist we are judging.
    Lastly, if you publicly engage in an act that is clearly contrary to Islamic principles, such as hosting a hippy-rock concert, you are, by definition, spreading fasad. Being ignorant isn't an excuse; there is a reaction to every action.
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