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  1. Indeed what choice did he have? The narrations are clear that he refused allegience and that 'Umar made a threat to burn the house. Does that make the 3 caliphs legitimate? Of course the Umayyads created the hadiths to say that 'Ali later pledged allegience willingly because he "thought he had a right" but decided he no longer had. This is to avoid narrating the embarassing event of Umar's threats which can be found in other Sunni and Shia sources. If you consult the sources you will see he gave allegience unwillingly and that it was most likely the threats to burn the house which made him do so. Again I ask, does Imam Ali pledging allegience based on coercion make their claims legitimate? 'Ali served the best interests of Islam and tried to guide them to the truth of their actions. Round the time of Muawiyah's reign when the fabricated hadiths were being created and Imam Ali's Shia were being killed, 'Ali started to make matters clear about him and the Shaykhs. This is why there are so many pro-Abu Bakr and pro-Umar hadiths to counter Ali and his Shia's claims. Indeed Muawiyah paid people to fabricate these traditions and people like Amr ibn Al As and Abu Hurayrah did so willingly. This is why the matter may be unclear to you my brother, the Umayyads had to reduce 'Ali's claim in order to secure their leadership. You might ask how I am so certain that the Umayyad hadiths have been forged. The answer is our Imams have told us this and given us examples. An easy one is that Abu Bakr and Umar are the old men of paradise - clearly an attempt our fifth Imam says to counter the hadith that Hasan and Husayn are the masters of the youth of paradise. In fact, this hadith apparently narrated by 'Ali has been declared weak (da'if) even by the Sunni scholars who came years later. I ask, if everything was fine between Abu Bakr, Umar and Ali, why was there this desire to create narrations and attribute them to 'Ali about loving the caliphs so much? There are many more examples and I can provide them if you wish. Despite the fabrications in the "Sahih" books the truth still shines: Narrated Hubshi bin Junadah: that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "'Ali is from me and I am from 'Ali. And none should represent me except myself or 'Ali." حَدَّثَنَا إِسْمَاعِيلُ بْنُ مُوسَى، حَدَّثَنَا شَرِيكٌ، عَنْ أَبِي إِسْحَاقَ، عَنْ حُبْشِيِّ بْنِ جُنَادَةَ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ "‏ عَلِيٌّ مِنِّي وَأَنَا مِنْ عَلِيٍّ وَلاَ يُؤَدِّي عَنِّي إِلاَّ أَنَا أَوْ عَلِيٌّ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى هَذَا حَدِيثٌ حَسَنٌ غَرِيبٌ صَحِيحٌ ‏.‏ Grade : Hasan (Darussalam) English reference : Vol. 1, Book 46, Hadith 3719 : Book 49, Hadith 4085 Here is an extract from Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal (one of the Sunni Imams) about 'Ali in Kufa about 25 years after the event of Ghadir Khumm, asking those who heard the Prophet (s) declare him mawla to stand up and testify. There are a lot of hadiths in Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal about Ghadir itself and this Sermon (of Ruhbah). Does this not prove Ali's entitlement to leadership along with all the other historical evidence? Why did certain companions not treat him like their mawla?
  2. His presence surely as a moderate Shi'a alim who gives advice on the social and political plane is enough. So many scholars at this level can easily become corrupted and cause chaos given their position. His fiqh books guide Shia Muslims across the world to help follow their Imams..
  3. He should of shown Muhammad Hijab hadith of Rubah where 'Ali in Kufa gives a sermon asking people if they remember the event of Ghadir? This is narrated many times in Ahmad ibn Hanbal's Musnad (Sunni book) along with the Ghadir narrations themselves that are described as Sahih. Look for yourself and ask - why would 'Ali stand up in Kufa 25 years later to mention this event? 'Ali was declared to have awla (closeness) to everybody else so how could they be an Imam over him? Why would he refuse to pledge allegience? Why would Umar threaten to burn his house down (Tabari, ibn Abi Shaybah)? The Muhammad Hijab's of this world may be able to fool the uneducated but they don't have a leg to stand on! It can all be proved from their scholar's own books
  4. 'Ali became a lot more outspoken towards his caliphate when he had his base in Kufa. He would openly ask people about Ghadir (hadith of Ruhba) which can be found in Musnad Ahmed ibn Hanbal which is a Sunni book! After all 'Ali refused to pledge allegience to Abu Bakr and only did after Umar's idea of threatening to burn down the house (narrated by both schools). Caliphate was an innovation in this sense because the senior companions chose to override the Amir which the Prophet (s) had chosen. The uprising of Hussain was about imamate after all the letters from the Kufans say explicitly "come be our Imam". Hussain responded to their call and they betrayed him plain and simple. He dispensed his duty as an Imam and they betrayed him teaming up with the Umayyads to slaughter them at Karbala. 'Ali and Hasan had the same issue with their so called "Shia" who would often betray them. Nevertheless we are told there was to be 12 Imams and that the Mahdi will appear at some point, so the Shia concept of Imamate is a lot stronger than the concept of Caliphate imo. One is divinely ordained and one was created by the sahaba under very suspicious circumstances. Unfortunately it was never meant to be they could just never get enough loyal Shia to back their cause and eventually the Imams became quietiest. The Umayyads fabricated hadiths which are now regarded as Sahih by the vast majority and the Shia ghulats elevated their Imams beyond normal means.
  5. It's a sweeping statement which I'm surprised by given his mixed ancestary. The mirror isn't actually the source of all knowledge either.. The Muslims started out well and there are so many scientific loan words in English with Arabic origin. The Muslims developed some of the first hospitals in Baghdad and learned to read and write very early on. They contributed to Mathemetics and were some of the first to use the scientific method. Their hygiene too and still is to this day impeccable if practised properly. Unfortunately it went downhill for different reasons which I am not knowledgable enough to tell you about. But yes, the anti-intellectual schools of thought within Islam (not saying any names!) have not helped at all. This "black and white" understanding of Islam that we see nowadays is a sign of the intellectual decline. Given the deep divide between religion and science in the West Muslims have a big challenge to try harmonise the two. This could work really well because Muslims have always viewed Science of one of the many manifestations of Allah.
  6. That's because real intellectuals read books to be honest. This speakers corner stuff might sound convincing and academic but it really isn't. There is a reason why any scholar worth their salt isn't down there joining in with Muhammad Hijab and Friends! The best books have already been written and the scholars have made their arguments after having 1,000 years to go at it. These fellas aren't bringing anything new to the table and mostly prey on people who haven't fully established their own beliefs. I mean some of these ex-Shia guys you think did they really understand the principles to begin with? Thankfully some of these texts are being well translated into English. Try Allamah Tihrani Knowing the Imams you won't regret it!
  7. This is terrible advice would 'Ali say ask me?? No wonder people become Wahhabis with this type of thinking. I appreciate these personalities are alive but do we really ask them? Did 'Ali at any point ask Muhammad (s) for help after his wordly passing? Did Hussain make dua to Hasan on the plains of Karbala? Did Imam Zain al Abideen ask 'Ali to provide him help? I appreciate I might be in the minority here but the facts seem to suggest it's a Sufi practice that's spilled over into Shi'ism.
  8. The thing is brothers, are you willing to make an accusation based on a few hadiths here and there? If you are wrong then it's slander and Allah defended Aisha in the Qu'ran when she was accused of adultery. Now will you be willing to accuse her of murder? Did Imam 'Ali make such statements despite being fought by her? These opinions are terrible and make a joke of Shiism. Aisha made big mistakes and was very young relatively, but she came to regret it near the end. She spoke up against Mu'awiyah when he ordered the execution of Hujr ibn 'Adi. Surah Noor Verily! Those who brought forth the slander (against 'Aishah (may Allah be pleased with her) the wife of the Prophet ) are a group among you. Consider it not a bad thing for you. Nay, it is good for you. Unto every man among them will be paid that which he had earned of the sin, and as for him among them who had the greater share therein, his will be a great torment. Why then, did not the believers, men and women, when you heard it (the slander) think good of their own people and say: "This (charge) is an obvious lie?" Why did they not produce four witnesses? Since they (the slanderers) have not produced witnesses! Then with Allah they are the liars. Therefore in lack of solid evidence the right thing to do is suspend judgement and not cast asperations.
  9. Mulla Sadra's entire attention is on existence (wujud) so how could he say creation is an illusion? In fact Mulla Sadra is saying everything is existence and is very real (even our mental conceptions)! His theory is that Allah is the pinnicle of existence (in fact transcending it) and creation is manifested (tajalli)" in different levels - this is tashkik al-wujud (gradational theory of being). Did not Allah appear to Moses with the mountain by tajalli - even the word used in the Qu'ran has the same root word! This is not shirk, Mulla Sadra is not saying these gradations are the equivalent to Allah - not at all! He is saying all of the modes of being hinge off the power of Allah but are ultimately connected to him through his transcendent nature. Does not Allah himself say he is closer to us as our jugular vein. Did he not call himself al-Batin (most hidden), al-Zahir (most evident), al-Awwal (the first), al-Akhir (The Last). Allah manifesting himself (tajalli) does not imply any loss or weakness of his attributes or power! His actual essense is unknowable and he is the most transcendent! (al-'Ali) Listen to Imam 'Ali's Sermon to Dhi'lib to understand this better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk-PCLkKPyg Unfortunately the views of women are not acceptable but they exist in this religion like most religions. You just have to put it down to people attitudes over 1,000 years ago and move on!
  10. This is spot on the quest for authentication and interpretation never ends!
  11. 1.) There have been deviant Shias since the time of Imam Ali but there have many genuine ones too. I personally do not agree with tawassul but my knowledge tells me this has a Sunni-Sufi origin. It's evident that asking Prophets and Imams for help with the belief that they are an intermediary came much later and developed as time went on. 2.) Yes these channels are deviant and they are simply the other side of a coin. All I can say is read good Shia material try Knowing the Imams series by Allamah Tihrani (you can buy them off Amazon). These will help you understand matters like Ghadir on a deeper level and counter the arguments often given by the adversaries. Remember, those deviant groups are what lead to al-Shabab, ISIS etc - sad but true.. 3.) Have you heard of the Amman message? Any Sunni calling a Shia kafir or Shia calling a Sunni kafir is not educated - they clearly do not understand the Qu'ran and Sunnah. 4.) Yes, just like Spain was conquered by the Umayyads and hence why some of their greatest scholars issued death punishments for those who called Mu'awiyah misguided (see Qadi Iyad in his biography of the Prophet). Wake up and smell the coffee here, most countries are invaded for wealth and power, religion is usually a by product used by the powers that be to manipulate the masses. In Iran's case I think the Safavids were originally Sufis? There is a big link between Sufism and Shi'sm - in fact, most of them accept the wilayah of 'Ali but believe it can be split into spiritual ('Ali) and political (Abu Bakr, Umar etc). They have a very big love of the ahl al-Bayt and accept all the traditions such as Ghadir - may Allah have mercy on them. 5.) Yet there are so called "authentic" Sahih chains attached to hadiths which have been demolished by our Imams. (PM if you want some examples). 6.) Leave people to do what they want, you can goto a shrine for baraka and to get close to Allah. Your religion is your own at the end of the day but remember the Shi'a proofs are very strong and accepted by the ahl al-Sunnah. The only groups that deny them are these Wahhabi type Muslims who follow people like ibn Taymiyyah. These types of scholars had a negative view of 'Ali which was transmitted to them from the days of Mu'awiyah. Rememeber, Mu'awiyah was based in Syria hence his influence was strong on the scholars there. Shi'a sources generally are considered "weaker" because their scholars have never regarded any of their sources as "Sahih". The fact that Bukhari and Muslim are considered "Sahih" is a big bluff and a weak attempt to downplay the Umayyad influence on Islam. These channels do a good job of critisising Shi'a hadith but have never researched how much Mu'awiyah and Amr ibn al-As have helped shaped their madhab.
  12. The abundant hadith on 12 Imams - Allah knows best.
  13. The evidence would suggest this is applicable to the 12 Imams.
  14. Best friends is probably an exaggeration just like the title Siddiq which was given to him by the Umayyads. This title was given by Allah to 'Ali in the Qu'ran (39:33). I'm sure the Prophet (s) did love Abu Bakr to some extent just as he loved all human beings. I'd imagine their relationship was cordial given his father in law was Abu Bakr. The Prophet (s) loved all human beings and tried to bring the best out of society which was his mission. It's a shame how some chose to act towards 'Ali after his passing and being declared mawla over the people. Qur'an 3:19 Shakir: Surely the (true) religion with Allah is Islam, and those to whom the Book had been given did not show opposition but after knowledge had come to them, out of envy among themselves; and whoever disbelieves in the communications of Allah then surely Allah is quick in reckoning. Oh how history repeats itself!
  15. 1.) Yes, in al-Baqarah there is the example of Talut (non-Prophet) who was chosen by Samual (Prophet). After Talut, the wilayah was then passed to Dawud (عليه السلام) who was a Prophet. Shi'a often use this argument from the Qu'ran (2:247) to prove a non-Prophet can inherit the wilayat. Remember, an Imam just means a divine leader. 2.) Not sure depends what you mean by infallibility. In my own knowledge infallibility is a concept that developed over time. Surah 33:33 and hadith ahl al-Kisa show the ahl al-Bayt are pure. Imam Baqir (عليه السلام) is reported to have said they never "doubt" Islam. The ghulats later enhanced this concept.. 3.) Yes it has been interpreted as authority figures by the Shi'a and Sunni. 4.) All these instructions are conditional. The sahaba were guided by Muhammad (s) and his ahl al-Bayt for foremost of which was 'Ali. Therefore, if the sahaba say one thing but the ahl al-Bayt say something else, we will take the ahl al-Bayt's opinion. The Qu'ran sanctions following someone who is directly guided over someone who is indirectly guided. Qur'an (10:35) Sahih International: Say, "Are there of your 'partners' any who guides to the truth?" Say, " Allah guides to the truth. So is He who guides to the truth more worthy to be followed or he who guides not unless he is guided? Then what is [wrong] with you - how do you judge?"
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