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  1. I am a huge fan of novels and writing novels etc...but would writing about something that would be considered haram according to islam be haram in itself? For example, say you write a novel about a character who does certain haram things, and the moral of the story is not to demonise and highlight said haram, instead create a likeable character out of someone who would be considered immoral from an Islamic standpoint.
  2. This discussion is still carrying on to this day and age. Even among Muslims who blurt out a silly and baseless rhetoric, which is deemed both haram and immoral.
  3. According to this, they were lying in the muddy alleyway, she was wearing a dress. https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/counsel-for-man-acquitted-of-rape-suggested-jurors-should-reflect-on-underwear-worn-by-teen-complainant-883613.html I don't know all the facts of the case, so I'm not going to try to get to a verdict (although I'm more inclined to think he is guilty). The reason why I started this thread was because of the outrageous argument presented by the defence. An item of clothing does not signify consent.
  4. I agree. No one on here even once suggested otherwise. Yet again, with all the examples in your post, the woman is evil. What about a woman being raped every day by her "perfect" husband? Or a woman being abused by her husband who finally decides to stand up for herself and get a divorce, and keep the children safe from such a monster? Despite what you may believe, this is not a feminist cause. Feminism calls for equality. This thread calls for justice and fairness for the victim. Not because she's a woman. And not because the defendant is a man. But because the grounds on which the defendant was acquitted are quite horrendous, in my opinion. No matter how much haram the victim has committed, no one in this world has the authority to punish her or even suggest the way she was wronged was correct. Just because she may have been a non-muslim and was wearing provocative clothing, that does not make her an evil entity we should not care or respect at all. We are all humans. If you are able to feel sympathy for a man falsely accused of rape, how could you not express sympathy for an alleged rape victim? Being an actual rape victim, is probably the worst thing that can happen to a woman. It's worse than having your reputation ruined by a rape accusation. Do you believe it was the victims fault, and that she was not raped because of her choice of clothing? (Genuine question).
  5. Lol. I'm not even going to bother anymore. You're just arguing for the sake of it. Your argument is empty anyway, no substance to it. May Allah bless you brother. I hope you understand my "baby language". If not, please stop spamming my thread with the same things over and over again.
  6. You keep providing extreme examples of anything relating to women manipulating the system or wearing something inappropriate which lead to a catastrophe. Not all cases are like that. Why not discuss all the tragic cases where innocent rape victims were not believed, and were instead blamed for being violated in the worst way possible. Not all women are evil and manipulative, the same way that not all men are violent animals. We need to support rape victims and shame rapists. Of course, in cases where the man has been falsely accused, that is horrendous, but that's not the case all the time. Here for example, the girl was obviously not walking around in her underwear. The guy must have stepped over the line at some point, in a muddy alleyway.
  7. @monad you do realise that what you're saying isn't only immoral but it's also un-islamic right? Harming another individual, no matter how much they provoke you is haram. Simple as. If the girl was committing haram by wearing revealing clothes, it's upto Allah to punish her. Not you or me, or a rapist. As for your comments about the girl taking responsibility...how many times does it need to be said that men are not animals? I'm pretty sure alot of the gentlemen here have been provoked many, many times. I don't think many of them are rapists. Why? Because they are not animals who cannot control themselves. Men are humans. They have control over their thoughts, desires and actions. Yes, a woman can influence said thoughts, desires and actions. But that's as far as it can get. Men have the final say in what they do/commit. You are right that some men are falsely accused of rape, which is horrible. I can't imagine what a detrimental experience that would be for them. But just because some men are falsely accused of rape, that shouldn't undermine the more believable cases. This case does not involve a teenager who sleeps with a man while drunk and regrets it the next morning, so goes to court for it. This is a case where the victim was allegedly raped in a "dirty alleyway" by a man 10 years older than her. One of the arguments presented by the defence was that her underwear indicated consent. Seriously? Of all things, the type of undergarments she wore indicate her consent???
  8. @Aflower lol, I'm sorry dearest sister, I didn't mean to get you so triggered! It is now immature to be genuinely interested in an oh-so-knowledgeable individual's viewpoint. I didn't know that that's the common sense of your generation. I'm ever so sorry. I advise you to handle losing an argument a little better than you are now, it doesn't look to great for you to be so offended that someone is simply arguing their point in a respectful manner. Common sense dictates that you reciprocate that respect, otherwise you simply lose respect for yourself. May Allah lengthen your temper and keep you on the right path, dear sister.
  9. Just sounds like you don't want to have this debate, or just have no response, which is quite sad, I'd have liked to see exactly what it is you disagreed with. Unfortunate. @Khadim uz Zahra in that case, i apologise for the inaccuracy. I had an issue with the defence's argument of consent being indicated by the underwear the victim was wearing.
  10. Lol, quite irrelevant here. So am I, and I'm doing a course very relevant to this case, and what? So, unless you're a serial killer or serial rapist, we need to agree with such silly defence arguments? My initial issue with this case was that the judge stated that the girl's underwear was what signified consent. The judge did not state that there was consent in this case because of any other reason. It was because of the underwear the girl was wearing in an alley for crying out loud! Secondly, no one assumed he was guilty immediately. Most of us have read the case facts, and have arrived to a conclusion based on those facts. Unfortunately, a lot of legal practice does not rely on conclusive evidence. Rape is very difficult to prove. Does that mean we declare all alleged rapists innocent until proven guilty? By that logic, we will have serial rapists roaming the streets and raping every other woman they see. No one is denying that some rape charges are baseless. On the other hand, we also have genuine rape cases that get disregarded. We cannot ignore such cases because of the few (or maybe even many) bad apples.
  11. By 'social standpoint' I intended this case to be discussed in terms of the implications it will have on young boys and girls. Such a case will teach young people that if a girl is wearing something particularly provocative, she is signalling for all the men to violate her in the most horrific way possible. It will teach young men and boys that they can get away with such a disgusting violation. This will significantly damage our society not just temporarily, while this "feminazi craze" lasts, but it will have permanent negative impacts on the way our society is operated. As for me believing him to be a rapist, that is my own personal opinion, you are free to believe otherwise. According to what I've read about the case, I believe the victim. Firstly, I doubt any seventeen year old girl will particularly enjoy sitting in a courtroom, having her underwear waved around, and watch a man ten years older than her defend himself against rape charges. Secondly, as @Maryaam put so eloquently, rape is always about power. It is never about sexual gratification. Look at the power dynamic between the two in this case. The victim is a 17 year old girl, and the defendant is a 27 year old man. Where did the rape take place? In a "muddy alleyway". All of these facts provide us with at the very least, a rough idea of who was in a more vulnerable and compromising position.
  12. Victim blaming will not really allow me to read the rest of your post and actually take anything you say seriously. Women do not want it both ways. Some men just keep looking for ways to excuse disgusting and beastly behaviour. You can keep posting incredibly insensitive and offensive things, just know nothing you say will be held in high regard at all. Please rethink the things you've said.
  13. I know, from a legal standpoint, I am incorrect, hence in my original post, I asked about views on this case from a social standpoint. Legally, he is not a rapist. In my view, according to the things I've read, and the argument presented by the defence and prosecution, I think he is a rapist. EDIT - I also don't know the complete facts of the case. One can never be sure when it comes to cases like this one, but according to the things I know at the moment, he sounds like a rapist. 1 in 10 rape cases are even brought to court, and 1 in 4 get any satisfactory outcome (according to the MP in the video I attached earlier).
  14. 1) It doesn't matter even if the whole courtroom was filled with females. Although this is hard for some people to comprehend, rape is not a feminist issue. It is a violation of basic human rights. If an individual responds with "boohoo" or anything remotely similar when hearing about a rape case, or any violation of basic human rights for that matter, then such an individual has no respect or honour for said basic human rights. So, enough with the useless retorts about feminazis. This is not a feminist cause. If anyone wishes to discuss feminism because they're so intrigued by it, they may do so on a separate thread. 2) Please get your facts right. The rape took place in a laneway (another source described it as a "muddy alleyway") in Cork. No bed in sight. The man was 27, the girl was 17. 3)No matter how provoking a person is, you are a human and you control your desires. Men are not animals. Please understand that. Some men may have the inferiority complex and think they are incapable of dealing with their desires.
  15. I'll reply to the rest of your post later, but the rape took place in a LANEWAY, dear brother. LOL
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