Huseyin_Cetin_Turkish_Shia

Salam all. May Allah have mercy on us because we dont exact know what really did happen to the minds and intentions of some ashab of Mukhtar (r.a). I dont know how true it is but from one source i read that ibrahim al ashtar (May Allah forgive him) stayed in Mosul after hearing the martyrdom of Mukhtar (r.a). Aparently i also heard that when Mosab ibn zubair was againts abdulmalek ibn marwan, ibrahim al ashtar chose to be in Mosabs side againts abdulmalek. Therefore aparently i dont know nor neither can judge his intentions (only Allah swt knows) but its a sad truth that he has sided up with mosab in order to fight againts abdulmalek ibn marwan and he died in that war. I guess mosab gave him the guarantee of being the governor of Mosul. And only Allah knows.

Salaam all. As from the Turkish clan maybe i can give some info's about Mavlana a.s and the other saints. First of all everyone has to acknowledge that these saints were true Shia's and the followers of Ahlulbayt. That's why they have had their Naseeb's (i.e Saintness). Allah swt has given them the Marqaba (Rank) because of their true path. But as for many years the sunni's in Turkey have severally tried to even change these and show these saints as Sunni's. Biggest proof is a saint called Haji Bayrami veli's Turba (ziyarat) had a big sign in the entrance, and on that entrance has some art work with arabic writings. The main part say's "Ali" was erased by the sunni ulema's to hide his faith (regarding to be a true shia). All the saint's which i will name here are all true Shia's and the followers of the Ahlulbayt (a.s). Haji Bayrami Veli Haji Bektashi Veli (Son of Seyyed Ibrahim) Mevlana Jallaladdin Rumi Pir Sultan Abdal ( Real name Haydar) Yunus Emre (Famous saint which people still interpets his poem's in many language) was the student of Haji bektashi Veli Khoja Ahmad Yasawi (The teacher of Haji Bektash Veli) Taptuk Emre ( Teacher of Yunus Emre through Haji Bektash Veli) Abdal Musa Sari Ismail (The student of Haji Bektash Veli Karaca Ahmed Shah Ismail Hatai Hallac Mansur Asik Nesimi Veysel Karani Cabbar and many more. And even Abdul Kadir Jeylani (jeelani) is considered Shia but then again counted as sunni by sunni's. Remember brothers all these saints are tried to be shown as sunni because of their ranks. We used to call this (Asimilation) which are explained as After the Dersim Massacre in 1938 Many Turkish-Kurdish-Zaza Shia's were killed, expelled and tortured. Most which were expelled were asimilated (either kids were given to sunni khoja's families and imams and were changed. Thats why they try to say these saints were sunnis. But all these saints which i have named have never mentioned omar, othman or abu bakr. Infact most of them were all reciting the name of Ahlulbayt and karbala. Pir Sultan abdal was executed for his love towards 12 Imam's. Mevlana used to write poems about Imam Hussein (a.s). Inshallah it has been a bit of explanation to you brothers. If you have questions regarding these personalities please do ask. Wa salam.

Salaamo Aleykoom. Dear brothers and sisters. If any brothers who cannot make it to jolous (Matam) Monday 5th December can if prefer watch the matam in Turkey live. It will give live broadcast on several Turkish state channels which you can watch by finding in google. Or if anyone has Turksat Installed on their satallites can find live channel at these frequencies. 11154 - V - BW 3 - SR 2222- FEC: 5/6. The matam in Turkey is Organized by Turkish Shia (Jafariya) comunity (Zeynebiye.com) live on 5th December 2011 at 09:30 till 13:00 (Turkish time). Please visit www.zeynebiye.com for more info and supporting our brothers in Turkey. Alternatively you can watch live through pc on http://www.zeynebiye.com/yayin/ Wa Salam.

The wiki source is ok but obviously when changed to Turkish language you get more out of it. With the youtube chanell u showed me is mainly videos about tours. As if u have noticed Alevi people have changed their prayer place from Mosque to Cemevi (Cem house). If you wonder what cem is, its similar to dhikr which nakshi's do, or mevlevi's (whirling dervishes) do. As i stated its a bit towards shia/sufi thought or idiology. But the music they play or songs they sing are all about ahlulbayt or 12 imam's (a.s) , Allah or Mohammad (pbuh) So you could use wiki as a good source.

Salam, Alevi is counted shia aswell even though there are difference's on following the deen. For a start Alevi's have been suffering so many tortures and prosecutions in Turkey since the Sunni Ottoman reign. Most have been joining the Iran's Shah Ismail (Note: Not the shah that has been overthrown by the revolution) the known twelver in order to fight againts ottoman padshah Yavuz sultan selim. Since that Yavuz sultan selim has accused Alevi's of sinner's. Rumours started taking place such as Alevi's blow candles on a special night and start having intercourse with one another including mahrams. Such as rumours told about shia's as well (Mutah) with mahram's etc. Around 40.000 have been killed since yavuz sultans reign and since history including massacres at Dersim, Kahraman Maras, Gazi, Corum and Sivas many Alevi's have been killed with women, children, elders included. There for most Alevi has left praying (Salah) by defending them selves saying " We get accused in mosque for following ahlulbayt, they call us names and rumours which has been going on since century, we pray in our own houses we still get accused of adultry with our own mothers and sisters. There for the islam the ottomans have presented in here is not our islam". etc. They have mainly divided to Alevi/Sufi path which has been started with Haci Bektash Veli. Alevism is a classified as as sect of Shi‘a Islam as Alevis accept Twelver Shi‘a beliefs about Ali and the Twelve Imams, and Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini decreed Alevis to be part of the Shi'a fold in the 1970s They fast during Muharram aswell as shia's. They mourn the martydrom of Imam Hussein and his companions. They read laments concerning the martyrdom of Imam Huseyn at Karbala. When your question arises to me saying am i not one of them. I have become to know about islam through my parents, Ive been brought up the way to Love the true Islam. The true Islam which Loves Ahlulbayt (a.s) and hate Muawiyah and Yazeed (L.A). My parents are Alevi. But ive been investigating and searching more myself and thought the true Alevism is Shia itself. I understand the grief and pains which they suffered from Sunni's in Turkey. My parents have suffered pain in Kahraman Maras Massacre in 1978 and i know how they feel about it back home. But like i said at the end of the day everyone individually has a right to follow which ever sounds the truth to them. I chose Shia sect and they were more than happy. They said atleast we how somethings in common rather than Sunni's who call Hazrat to people like Muawiya etc... I hope it has made a little explenation brother. Wa salam.

http://www.zeynebiye.com/77799_Zeynebiye-de-1-Muharrem-%28Foto%29.html I didnt know where to put it but just wanted to add it so we can see MUHARRAM IN TURKEY

I guess the sin was that Musa (a.s) commited murder (by mistake or knowingly) when he pushed a guy which fell and died. I may be wrong but as far as i am sure it had to do with that. Some may oppose to it.

Asalamo aleykoom dear brothers and sisters. I have been gathering alot of information about Mokhtar al-thagafi (a.s) since these couple of weeks. Ive been gathering Sunni & Shia sites regarding brother's and sister's thoughts about him. But as i was trying to get to know about him more i have found my self in another track. I have read an article which a Hanafi scholar in Turkey was talking about Imam Hanafi. He was saying how corrupt the ummayad's were and how back biter the abbasid's were. He was praising the Shia's because of their love towards the Ahlulbayt (a.s). He was also saying how most of Sunni's attitudes towards Imam Hanafi was and what kind of tortures and accusations he has been through. On one of his lectures he has described how Sunni's accept Bukhari as sahih and that he cannot lie etc, but on hadees bukhari he has read a part which Imam Bukhari himself has accused Imam Hanafi. Now that Insh'Allah i will try my best to write down each section from his sources which he has given to proove his point. He has said people has even said Imam Abu Hanifa was a Kafir. Because he did not accept hadeese's from well known sahabi's (Strong for Sunni's) unless they were based on Quranic and Prothet Mohammad's (pbuh) actual traditions (i.e Sahih Sunnah and sayings of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh). The reason i wrote same fate was that Mokhtar (a.s) was in a same situation were people accused him of being a kafir aswell (Auzibillah). I as a strong Shia has always admired and respected a person like Mokhtar Al-Thagafi (a.s) not just because he has avanged the karbala victim's but especially for his love toward's Ali ibn Abu Talib (a.s) and the whole Ahlulbayt (a.s). Now lets get back to the main sources the scholar has used. He said Bukhari has accused him on; Buharî; Kitabu’z-Zuafa, ; İbn Abdi’l Berr; al-İntika’, part. Bukhari has said that how Imam Hanafi was untrusted person etc. Now a question arises here. If majority of Sunni's claim to be Hanafi sect. And yet also claim to count Bukhari as untouchable Sahih hadees narator then who are they actually following. I will insh'Allah post many more sources he has used to prove his claim but although i thought the most important one was the statement he has used about Bukhari. Wa salam. I have just found some sources infact in a Sunni site. This is what they have quoted: 1) Imam Bukhari has stated: Imam Abu Hanifah (Rahmatullah alayh) was a Murji’i. [Al Tareekh Al Kabir under the life history of Nauman Bin Thabit] Imam Bukhari also writes: The time when Sufian Thuri (great scholar of Islam) heard news about the death of Imam Abu Hanifah Rahmatullah alayh he said ‘Praise be to Allah that such a man had died as he was gradually destroying Islam. There could not be a worse person born in Islam’. [Tareek Sagheer biography of Imam Abu Hanifah Rahmatullah alayh] Imam Bukhari also writes that : On two occasions Imam Abu Hanifah Rahmatullah alayh was ordered to repent from making blasphemous statements. [Khitab Al Daufa Walmat Rukin by Imam Bukhari, Al Intiqa By Imam Abdul 'barr] Imam Bukhari informs us that he had taken these statements from his tutor Na’eem bin Hamad. [Tareekh Al Saghir by Imam Bukhari]

Also add that the Turkish Ottoman Leader Yavuz Sultan Selim aka Selim I ordered around 40 thousand Shia's of (Shah Ismael's iran and shias in Turkeys) death. Also add that in 1978 in turkey a city called Kahraman Maras where i was born saw the worstest massacre of our times. The sunni's started giving out fatwa's saying " Our religion's is vanishing because of these shia's, these red headed's". (KIZILBASH). And they massacred not just men but womens, childrens and elders. Also they rip opened pregnant womens tummies and killed unborn childs. And they have called it "IN THE NAME OF GOD" (Audzhibillah) And these massacre's continued in Turkey in years 1972's till latest massacre 1996. Basically the list just keep's growing and we the Nabi's (pbuh) and Ahlulbayts (a.s) followers have always been suffering because of our love to them and real Islam. May Allah Guide us.

Salam sister.. First of all i wanted to state that i have heard from my elder's, they used to say " People who DO or LET IT BE DONE (Black magic) is a sinner and it's not permisible even for a good sake in our Deen". They used to explaine the reasons as follows. Allah (swt) created human beens and gave them their life. Allah has stated his/hers birth and death dates. But then again has given every human ability to think with mind, and act with heart. Basically we human's are responsible with our thoughts (intentions) and acts (amal's.) By doing a black magic it sounds like (the ones who do it) are measuring their power's againts Allah (swt)'s powers. (auzubillah). The ones who goes and seeks for black magic is "EXPECTING SOMETHING FROM" the black magic do'ers or jinns. (We only have to seek refuge from Allah (swt). When it comes to the white magic. i.e Good magic. Still we are seeking for someone else's help and the person who does white/black magic is just being a big headed trying to act behalf of Allah (swt) (auzubillah). There for if you are a good Muslim (Insh'Allah) and have a strong iman sister. Don't bother your mind with peoples who are dealing with magic and call them self a Muslim. You focus on your own life. (Me personally will suggest that you dont even need friends who are not accepting you as a friend for who you are, Not for what you are). Pray to Allah (swt) for your guidiance, proctection for evil's and evil minded people's bestows. And May Allah (swt) guide all of us Muslim's Ameen. Note: Every thing is done with Allah's (swt) will. Without Allah's will no human nor magic can harm you sister.

Salam all. I wanted to add my spoon in the soup aswell lol !! As you may know that in Turkey (My home country) its common to love the co-called Allah's friends. The 79 % of Turkey is Hanafi, the rest is shafee, few maliki's and around 20 million of the population is Shia (Caferi) twelther's and 15 % Alevi twelthers. When it comes to Wahabi's telling stuff's like "SHIAS WORSHIP GRAVES" I just laugh and walk away from the discussion because nearly that 79 % hanafi's that i have counted goes torbas (Ziyarats) of the co-called friends of Allah and pray and make wishe's ect.. If you like i can name you many co-called friends of Allah. Now when the issue comes to Abdul Khadeer Jeylani, I remembered some people used to call him the leader of the Qadiri Jamaat (A Sufi/Naqshibandi group) which was a Shia. As if you have done some re-search you will notice his ziyarat is in Baghdat and is been visited by many Sunni's and Shia's. When the issue gets bigger to name was he shia or sunni then we have to understand that the Sufi's name there selfs either from Imam Ali's decendant or abu bakr's decendant. So we notice here that even Sufism is divided into 2 sect. Me personally dont really think he was a shia but then again dont believe that he called shia's a rafidi either. Some wahabi's are trying to propagand these kind of issues againts shia'sm. If he was to be called Shia, the wahabis would of said " Shia's worship to grave has been prooved" as the ziyarats of these peoples are always full. If he was to named sunni then wahabi's would of said " They call our respected SCHOLAR a shia when he blatenly wrote a fatwa stating that Shiah's are equal to jews. So either way i say believe in which ever you believe but have these thoughts some where in your mind. NO WAY OUT. May Allah bless you brothers and sister's with Rahmat.

Salam All brothers and sisters. Since I have l looked through most topics i see some user's stating that " True Islam is itself without a division, There is nothing such as Sunni nor Shia" And accuse some users to call them selves Shia. I dont want to give names which i am sure you brothers and sisters mostly know who they are. But there is something stuck in my mind. Yet a Sunni claims " We shouldn't call ourselfs Sunni nor Shia, It is againts islam to do so" but yet again we (Shia's) get the accuse. But i have done many research's and discovered that the sunni Imam's (Imam Malik ibn Anas, Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal & Imam Shafi) have clearly stated the ummah not to believe in Rafidi Shia's (Astafurullah) and not to take their hadith's in account as they lie and etc etc.... But now i have a question to sunnis When your Imam's blatenly say "DONT BELIEVE IN SHIA'S " arent they doing a division ? And how comes they say " Dont take the shia's hadiths in accounts (i.e trust) as they make everything up them selfs" but yet again train their selfs under Our beloved imam Jafar Al-Sadiq (a.s) ? Either way either the sunni's are making fabrications about their imams or their imams are the cause of hatre towards us Shias. Some Sunni's brighten us up with your answer's please.... Are we to be blamed for division, or is it you sunni's or is it your imam's ? Wa salam.

Salam'o Aleykoom brother's & sister's. I as a Human will firstly think as a Human. If someone is suffering from hunger, thirst, or does not have a shelter to live in, I will first react as a Human. Its my duty to give help as much as i can do (afford) to. I dont look at peoples religion, ethnic, colour or belief. when i am helping the poor. Have you forgotten what Mohammad (pbuh) said "Smile can also mean a charity sometimes".... So then again some brothers have stated its better to help your own people first. Which i dont disagree but then again different people has different point of view. I would personally help anyone regardless who needs a help and if i am capabable to do so. If you even help a cat thats about to drown, Allah c.c May write sewab (good deed) about u. Only Allah subahanallah wa teala knows whats in peoples minds, intentions and if they are worthy of sewab or gunah.. Wa salam.

I didn't want to spend my day's cursing her but since u opened up her subject i just want to state something neatly and leave the rest to you brother's sisters. 1. She thought war against Ameer al Mumin Imam Ali (R.A) and cause the first Muslim civil war. So i ask is there any harm cursing her ? Yet they say that who ever disobeys the Ameer of time is a disbeliever than what were her and muawiya (L.A) 2. She was the one who didn't allow Imam Hasan (A.S)'s body to be buried next to his grandfather (prophet Mohammad (pbuh). So is there a harm in cursing her ? How can someone stop another person last will yet plus that person who has willed was her husbands beloved grandchild. The rest is up to you. Probably there are even more of what she did but i just wanted to clarify the most important one's.