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Munzir Ahmed

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  1. The system you are forcing me to believe has no basis. Assumptions are not the subsititue for truth. Prove your claims. So far you are failed to verify what you are claiming. I have proven mine. Read following post. Imam Ali for whom you are doing all this himself never used any such thing as an argument neither to abu bakr nor to muawiya. In fact gave bayah to first three caliphs and validated the shura process and later used it as an argument against muawiya and justified his own position of being the caliph by the same process. This all is as per shia history. I repeat ag
  2. Wrong statement. Every caliph (ulil amr) is an Imam (leader) but not every Imam (leader) a caliph (ulil amr). Out of 12 Imams whom you consider divinely appointed, only first two became the caliphs (ulil amr) and that also via consultation process. No one else. He was declared as mawla at ghadir not as caliph or ulil amr. No one from sahabah and ahlebayt considered ghadir in meaning of caliphate at that time. There is no evidence on this from letters, sermons and sayings of Imam Ali. Rather he defended the shura system. http://www.*************/2015/12/12/nahjul-balagh
  3. Read all points with open mind. Dont always pick and choose. May Allah guide you.
  4. Dont put your ignorance on my shoulders. I said: Dont twist my words in order to support your assumptions. I have already answered you all your questions in my various posts on various threads. Go and read again. I dont want to repeat the same stuff again and again like you. The entire basis on which your assumption is based 28:68 has been refuted and proved wrong. So everything that follows it is meaningless.
  5. These are not my assumptions but facts from both shia and sunni history. Verse of consultation explains this verse and the verse after it 4:59. Verse 28:68 do not mention any amr let alone caliphate, its just your assumption that its about caliphate only. In fact verse is about shirk. So your claim as per this verse is meaningless and is invalid. Verse of ulil amr 4:59 is consistant with verse of consultation, amruhum shuran baynahum. THus they consulted for their amr of caliphate and chose an ulil amr. Both verses do mention clearly word amr. No any assumptions. This also has suppor
  6. 1. Let me clarify once again that for guidance it is Book of Allah and sayings of Prophet, job of caliph is to work within the boundaries of these two. Not to recieve any new guidance from Allah and to deliver it to people. Thus obediecne to caliph/ulil amr is made conditional, see Nisa 59. Verse is available as I shown you in other thread which is verifiable as well from prophetic ahadith, words of Imam Ali, from history and from sayings of a vast number of prophetic companions. Unlike the system of imamah which is nothing but a derivation from some unambiguous and unrelated verses of qu
  7. Verse 28:68 do not mention any amr let alone caliphate, its just your assumption that its about caliphate only. In fact verse is about shirk. So your claim as per this verse is meaningless and is invalid. Verse of ulil amr 4:59 is consistant with verse of consultation, amruhum shuran baynahum. THus they consulted for their amr of caliphate and chose an ulil amr. Both verses do mention clearly word amr. No any assumptions. This also has support in prophetic ahadith some of which I quoted in my last posts, also in history and in words ofImam Ali, in letter 6 and in other section of nahjul
  8. This is in contradiction with 28:68, no one is authorized to chose waliullah, wasi-ur-rasoolallah, khalifatullah & hujjatullah. No this is exactly in accordance with the amruhum shura baynahum command of Allah. These words of Imam Ali are the practical implimentation or validation of shura command in Quran. it will be deemed to mean Allah's pleasure. Verse of ulil amr 4:59 is consistant with verse of consultation, amruhum shuran baynahum. THus they consulted for their amr of caliphate and chose an ulil amr. Both verses do mention clearly word amr. No any assumptions. This al
  9. But to whom you consider your divine imams were engaged in taqqiyah even when at home in front of their followers and family instead of struggling hard with their wealth and lives in the way of Allah. In contrast those who were not divine imams from ahlebayt in fact revolted against the tyrants of their time and thus sacrificed their lives and never chosed the path of cowards i.e taqqiyah. This verse indeed define them. Those who sit at home and do taqqiyah and let their followers to go astray instead of guiding them properly (which they are supposed to do) and those who openly raise
  10. At that time Imam Ali was the chosen caliph via consultation. So it was his job to do what you are saying. But Imam did not declare him an apostate. Its not double standard, we are following Imam Ali. Imam Ali was also elected by people as 4th caliph. That was also not by Allah. Later Imam Hassan was also chosed by people not by Allah. After this Imam Hussain was niether chosed by people not by Allah. If you think they and remaining nine others were chosen by Allah then show me Allah's word for each and every Imam?
  11. Then why are you interfering when matter was dicided by Allah swt to be conducted via consultation. Both prophetic narrations and history confirm this. Unlike your claims. Did the verse 28:68 mention caliphate, which is the basis of all your claims on choice is not yours. Which is in fact a verse on shirk. Ok if its right of Allah then show me for your every Imam a word from Allah on their appointment, if you are truthful? Its not against any verse of Quran. Its itself in Quran mentioned as a quality of believers. Thus they chosed caliphs from themselves via consult
  12. If prophet saww had appointed or left any divine leader then saqifa would not have happened at first place. And later all accepted the saqifa incident including Imam Ali, see reports on his bayah to abu bakr. At that time no one including Imam Ali argued like you. If yes show me the example. Did anyone talk at that time about ghadir being divine declaration or anyother thing like this. Your theory is good but in reality carry no weight. The one who became caliph after prophet in reality was rightly guided. Prophetic ahadith confirm this. But here you are looking like a quranist. Who is j
  13. Here is the verse of Quran which you are asking. Not only a verse in fact there is an entire surah with name shura (consultation), while same is not present in your case. I am quoting here the entire passage not just a verse out of context. [36-43] Whatever you have been given, is merely a provision for the transitory life of this world, and that which is with Allah is better as well as more lasting. That is for those who have believed and put their trust in their Lord. Who refrain from gross sins and indecencies. Who, when they are angry, forgive. Who obey their Lord, establish the
  14. Here is the verse of Quran which you are asking. Not only a verse in fact there is an entire surah with name shura (consultation), while same is not present in your case. I am quoting here the entire passage not just a verse out of context. [36-43] Whatever you have been given, is merely a provision for the transitory life of this world, and that which is with Allah is better as well as more lasting. That is for those who have believed and put their trust in their Lord. Who refrain from gross sins and indecencies. Who, when they are angry, forgive. Who obey their Lord, establish the
  15. Again you are taking only a part of verse as usual. See rest part of verse which make things more clear. Obedience to ulil amr is conditional. Final authority is Allah and His Rasool and its the better and good way. This reminds me of letter 6. Verily, those who swore allegiance to Abu Bakr, `Umar and `Uthman have sworn allegiance 1 to me on the same basis on which they swore allegiance to them. (On this basis) he who was present has no choice (to consider), and he who was absent has no right to reject; and consultation is confined to the muhajirun and the ansar. If they agree on an
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