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  1. Huh, so a simple prophet, being Jesus here, is going to raise the dead on judgment day and render their judgment to either everlasting life or everlasting punishment. I don't know, if Shia are giving specifically divine characteristics to Jesus when they believe he is only a simple prophet then maybe the accusations of idolatry could be flipped. But doesn't your Qur'an contradict your assertion that Jesus will be the judge of all mankind? Qur'an 83:4-6 says the dead will stand before the Lord of the worlds. So Jesus is Lord of the worlds now for Islam? Also Qur'an 4:87 says Allah will gather the resurrected together on judgment day, but in Islam Jesus is not Allah just a man so it seems like your own assertions contradict the Qur'an. And the Qur'an contradicts Jesus in Matthew 25:31-46 so... And yes, we agree with that too. God is simple, not contained in space and time. Christ is in a glorified/spiritual body as well. The throne is obviously metaphorical. Though I thought Muslims did believe the throne was literal, at least that is what I have seen on Sunni sites.
  2. Yet scholars have long recognized since C.H. Dodd that what has been dubbed the Johannine Community was centered around the beloved disciple who was an eyewitness and his testimony and teachings form the Gospel of John: https://books.google.com/books?id=QQzjDM_L7-oC&printsec=frontcover&dq=gospel+of+john+eyewitness+testimony+scholars&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjQlLj33t7cAhWoiOAKHaB_DAkQ6AEIQDAF#v=onepage&q=gospel of john eyewitness testimony scholars&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=oRCdxOJWvcQC&printsec=frontcover&dq=raymond+brown+beloved+disciple&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj_4YGy6t7cAhWPr1kKHV6JBtYQ6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=raymond brown beloved disciple&f=false The amazing geographical knowledge, as well as the string of various independent traditions like Jesus having baptized alongside John the Baptist, and verses like John 19:35 and John 21:24 which explicitly claim to be based off of eyewitness testimony tell most scholars that there certainly is an eyewitness behind this and his teachings are put together in the Gospel of John. Also, Christians tradition regarding the beloved disciple is open. All I'm saying is that the traditional identity is John but others have been suggested such as, for example, Lazarus. But it's absolutely preposterous to say that Paul was behind the Gospel of John since, once again, Paul had been dead for a long time and the Gospel of John exhibits none of his language or writing style. Rather, the Gospel of John style exhibits that of the Johannine Epistles and most scholars believe that they were either written all by the same author or by someone in the same community as that author which. This would be the dubbed Johannine Community. The Johannine Community was a community with it's own independent traditions centered around the beloved disciple and based in Asia Minor, specifically around Ephesus, alongside other communities such as the Petrine/Antiochian Community based in Asia Minor and Syria centered around Peter where the Gospel of Matthew was most likely written from, the Roman community centered primarily around Peter but also Paul based in Italy and Northern Africa where the Gospel of Mark came from, the Pauline community obviously centered around Paul and was made up on various churches in Asia Minor and Greece, and the Jerusalem Community centered around James and based in Palestine. There were also other smaller itinerant movements in Asia Minor and Palestine that didn't belong to any one community and the author of Luke-Acts was most likely among these. I find that Muslims only make use of scholars when they find it expedient. No scholar denies the historical reality of the crucifixion, nor does any scholar deny that the disciples really believed they witnessed the risen Jesus, yet Islam objects to this despite the crucifixion being historical fact. You can read here more on this subject, especially regarding the resurrection: http://www.garyhabermas.com/articles/J_Study_Historical_Jesus_3-2_2005/J_Study_Historical_Jesus_3-2_2005.htm Some quotes:
  3. (Note: I intend none of this to be rude or disrespectful towards the Islamic religion, this is simply my point of view as a Christian) It is expedient for Muslims to throw out the Gospel of John from the Gospel tradition considering the fact that it refuted Islamic theology centuries before Muhammad first preached about the Qur'an, just as it is expedient for Muslims to throw out pretty much everything in the New Testament that Islamic theology does not agree with. Christians do not view the Gospel as one book specially revealed to Jesus by Allah like Muslims believe how Qur'an was revealed to Muhammad, the word "Gospel" is a translation of the Greek word "εὐαγγέλιον" meaning "good news"; this "good news" refers to the coming of the Kingdom of God embodied in the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. These traditions about Jesus and what he taught were passed on from community to community in oral form for about the first three or four decades before being committed to writing. We can see these traditions in the various epistles attributed to Paul, John, Peter, James, and such, and which were more fully put down in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. That's one of the silliest things I have ever heard. Paul died 25 years before the Gospel of John was written, being martyred in Rome. Rather, the Gospel of John was written by the beloved disciple (tradition says it's John, hence the Gospel's name) or by one of his close disciples. It was most likely written somewhere in Asia Minor (modern day Turkey), probably in or around the city of Ephesus, and Papias of Hierapolis (a disciple of John) seems to confirm this in the writings we have of his. The Gospel of John geography is better than Josephus, for example: the Gospel mentions that there was a pool in Jerusalem called "Bethesda" - the Gospel of John is the only source we have that mentions the existence of this pool and it's not even mentioned in Josephus, but in 1964, upon an archaeological dig in Jerusalem, the pool was actually discovered and confirmed to exist. The Gospel of John was written 20 years after the destruction of the Jerusalem by the Romans and the mass diaspora that resulted from it This and other examples found in the Gospel (such as the beloved disciple being known to the high priest) strongly suggest the beloved disciple's eyewitness behind this Gospel. A prophet is going to raise the dead on the last day? A prophet is going to sit on the throne of God and render each person his final fate? - MATTHEW 25:31-46 (Jesus)
  4. Probably because Shias tend to act better towards Christians and Jews, like Hezbollah protecting Christians in Syria from radical Sunni extremist groups. Sunnis have historically acted more aggressively. I don't have anything against Sunni Muslims but it's just fact.
  5. I'm a Christian and I have two Muslims friends, both are Shia.
  6. I never said that at all, YHWH isn't just a local tribal deity, he is God of all things. He chose the Israelite's to be his people. "Allah" is just the Arabian version of him it seems.
  7. *rolls eyes* Yeah, blame it all on Paul. Your theology isn't very good.
  8. But YHWH has revealed himself to be the one true God. Jews and Christians worship him, and if Islam is going to lay claim as an Abrahamic faith, then you ought to acknowledge Allah and YHWH as the same.
  9. Wikipedia notes: as well as: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh So, is YHWH the same as Allah? As a Christian, I certainly consider him my God, the only true God of all things, and the only one deserving of worship. I would consider Allah the Islamic "spin off" (I don't mean that in a rude or offensive way) of YHWH. Thoughts or other opinions/viewpoints?
  10. Nobody volunteered. Jesus was crucified. This is a simple fact of history that few reputable scholars deny.
  11. Well, I refer you to what is known as the 'strong case for the resurrection', and there is indeed a rather strong case from a purely historical perspective. Though yes, technically history cannot affirm or deny Christ rose from the dead, it does however provide strong evidence for it in my opinion, evidence that cannot simply be overlooked. I understand one of the persons in this video has been notably hostile towards Islam, but it is not about him, here he is speaking to a notable and well respected New Testament scholar and historian. This video really just scratches the surface of the whole subject at hand.
  12. I will give you my personal reasoning for following Christianity. I am a Christian because I believe Jesus proved himself through his resurrection, if Christ had not done this then I would follow no religion because I could never know who is telling the truth or not, not even Christ; but because Christ rose from the dead I know his message to be valid. For me, his resurrection proves Christianity and certain parts of Judaism. Christianity as a religion would not have continued if Christ had not been raised, the apostle would have given up and gone home. But because of their witness of Christ resurrection, they continued the faith. St. Paul says this, "For if the dead are not raised, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins." (1 Corinthians 15:16-17).
  13. Fair response, but I am not asking about the proof of God, as God can be proved in many ways. My question is about the proof of religion and its prophets, that being in this case, Muhammad and Islam. So many others have come claiming revelation, many times they contradict each other, so which one should we believe? What did Muhammad do to show he was a true prophet?
  14. Many people have claimed some kind of divine revelation throughout history, so in that respect Muhammad is no unique. I want to know your reasons for choosing Islam over any other religion, and why I should chose it. Why should we believe in Muhammad over Zoroaster, or Buddha, or Mani, or Joseph Smith, or Ellen G. White? How is Muhammad superior to these other "prophets"? How did he prove himself? What makes him unique?
  15. From what I have read in most of the scholarly literature, YHWH was originally a Bronze age Kenite God who was slowly transmitted north into Iron age Canaan, and was eventually adopted as the national God of the Kingdom of Israel and Judah around 930 BC. A small faction of Yahwist, the earliest known being the prophet Elijah (900 BC), advocated for the worship of YHWH alone over other gods, and this lead to other Israelite prophets like Amos (760 BC) and Hosea (730 BC) following in his foot steps. This faction eventually spread to Judah after northern refugees from Israel began fleeing south, hoping to escape the invading Assyrians. Prophets began arising in Judah, like Isaiah (700 BC), who began pushing Yahwism into the establishment. Now, at this time, the Yahwist hadn't been totally monotheistic, but more on the lines of henotheism, that is, the worship of one and only one God whilst still accepting the existence of other deities; they may have also been appropriating the qualities of other deities and ascribing them to YHWH, as with the case of the Canaanite god El being identified as YHWH. Around 648 BC, King Josiah rose to power and enacted heavy religious reforms in Judah, establishing YHWH as the only God worthy of worship in all of Judah. This is when the Torah (the Pentateuch for Christians) began its first stages of compilation, being sourced from earlier Israelite traditions. King Josiah's reforms didn't last long because his successors went straight back into idolatry. From 605 BC to 539 BC, the Babylonians conquered Judah and deported its population, until the Persians, lead by King Cyrus the Great, conquered the Babylonians and let the Jews return back to Judah. Sometime during the captivity, monotheism finally became established, and YHWH was now regarded as the only God is existence, and the God of the universe. This is when Judaism begins, and YHWH would of course go on to become the God of Christianity, and later Islam; though due to the traditions of 3rd century BC Jews, his name would be lost to us except within the limits of the tetragrammaton. Jews and Christians tend to replace YHWH with "Lord" or "the almighty", and Muslims basically renamed him "Allah", which is Arabic for "God" or "the God."
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