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  1. I wish sunnis had a distinction between Muslim in this world and kafir in the next like we have. Then they could call us kuffar but can't kill us.
  2. The mujaddid tradition is an interesting one especially since Umar II is the one who is thought to have been the first one. We are going to disagree what "ulama" means there. I really don't see how that hadith is in favor of an esoteric caliphate. I'm not interested in your personal interpretation or beliefs. The only thing I was interested in here is to get the earliest source that explicitly delineate this distinction. I'm open to the truth but alhamdulillah I'm already on the truth. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they being "dogmatic" and ignoring the truth. If you take this position to it's logical conclusion you aren't really sunni. Are 5 daily prayers explicitly and definitely taught in the Quran? No yet you are a kafir if you reject a single one of them. Same with imamah.
  3. The hadith by itself is equivocal and can be interpreted either way. Obviously people are referred to as imams prior to Ibn Arabi that are not caliphs but the question is what is the nature of their authority. Although they are later works, they are prior to Ibn Arabi which is what I asked for. Where in these works do they specifically explain the concept of an esoteric caliphate? Yes, I've read Hagarism. Obviously I don't agree since I don't believe Umar was even a believer. It's possible to benefit from an author on some things and disagree with them on others. Crone later disassociated from Hagarism and did actually affirm the prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) was from Mecca later on. No one really accepts Hagarism anymore whereas most historians accept her core thesis in God's Caliph. They aren't anachronistic but those beliefs are not universally held within the saved sect. I was specifically referring to the idea the imam is the vicegerent of God, the sunnah is preserved through him, and one's salvation is contingent on belief in him.
  4. It's not obvious in that hadith because the caliph is the true custodian of the sunnah, he is the sunnah par excellence. It doesn't prove that there is a distinction between the esoteric and exoteric caliph. Can you quote any earlier sources that explicitly delineate the distinction prior to Ibn Arabi? Actually historically it was much closer to the twelver concept of imamate. I recommend checking out Patricia Crone's landmark work God's Caliph. There's some work that builds on that but it's quite clear that the earliest Muslim conception of the caliphate is closer to the imami one than the later sunni one.
  5. I've read a good deal Amir-Moezzi's work, I don't see the relevance. Although the imams (عليه السلام) after Al-Hussain (عليه السلام) adopted a quietist apolitical stance, rightfully they are the rulers of the world.
  6. What is the earliest source that explicitly mentions the distinction between the esoteric and exoteric caliphate? The earliest mention of it I remember seeing is from Ibn Arabi. This distinction seems like an anachronistic backreading especially in light of modern scholarship that demonstrates that the position of the caliph in early Islam was much higher than in later Sunnism.
  7. Walaykum As-Salam. Are you sure he's not just doing mut'a or has a second permanent wife?
  8. If the girl is a virgin then she needs the permission of her father as per Ayatollah Sistani. https://www.sistani.org/english/qa/01250/
  9. The cure for akhbarism is to simply read about akhbarism and see how actual akhbarism is completely untenable in the modern world. The akhbari position a la Astarabadi is that unless you have a text from an infallible that gives a certain ruling about something you must practice precaution. Just think about how that would work in the modern world when there is no texts regarding cars, the internet, etc. If one is curious about actual akhbarism read الفوائد المدنية by Astarabadi (رضي الله عنه) if you can read Arabic or Scripturalist Islam by Robert Gleave if you cannot. Nothing convinces me of the veracity of taqlid more than just talking to lay Muslims about fiqh. if you want to be akhbari just do taqlid of Shaykh Yusuf Al-Bahrani (رضي الله عنه) as he allowed taqlid of the dead and was certainly the greatest akhbari jurist in history although his akhbarism is a more moderated form of it. Also if someone doesn't like politics or Iran they can just follow a marja' who isn't aligned with Iran or politically active, I would argue our most knowledgeable scholars are like that anyway.
  10. It's beautiful to see mu'mineen mourn Hussain (عليه السلام) in their own ways. I love seeing the passion of the Indo-Pak brothers for the imam (عليه السلام). May Allah increase our love and devotion towards ahlul bayt (عليه السلام).
  11. Which hanafi scholars permit a layman to do ijtihad and reject the opinion of the madhab whenever he personally thinks it's wrong?
  12. So you just make up your own fiqh whenever it makes you feel bad.
  13. Yeah I don't care. I can bring up plenty of things in sunni fiqh that would give it a bad name but that doesn't change the ruling like sunnis permitting incest, alcohol, penetrating girls younger than 9, and eating dogs.
  14. Your approach is but either way it's not an argument. I still haven't heard any actual fiqhi objections. Laymen are supposed to be doing taqlid hence I provided fatawa that permit it and showed that a follower of Ayatollah Sistani can do it too. I really don't care what a sunni thinks about our fiqh.
  15. We aren't talking about philosophy or ideals, we are talking about an issue of fiqh whether it is permissible or not. We don't believe alcohol was ever permitted. If it was ever permitted by Allah then categorically it cannot be fahisha as Allah says he does not order fahisha. Stop trying to use emotional arguments for fiqh. Mut'a is something Islam came with, it didn't exist in pre-Islamic Arabia. In the narration where Aisha talks about the type of marriages in the jahiliyya, mut'a is not one of them. The prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) outright gave his companions permission to do mut'a, do you have any example of that for alcohol? وَإِذَا فَعَلُوا فَاحِشَةً قَالُوا وَجَدْنَا عَلَيْهَا آبَاءَنَا وَاللَّهُ أَمَرَنَا بِهَا ۗ قُلْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يَأْمُرُ بِالْفَحْشَاءِ ۖ أَتَقُولُونَ عَلَى اللَّهِ مَا لَا تَعْلَمُونَ - 7:28
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