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Urwatul Wuthqa

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    Among the followers of the Prophet, however, the Treaty of Hudaybiyya was to produce some violent allergic reactions. Oddly, just like the pagans of Makkah, the “chauvinists” in the Muslim camp also equated it with “surrender.” They were led by Umar bin al-Khattab. He considered its terms “dishonorable,” and he was so much distressed by them that he turned to Abu Bakr for answers to his questions, and the following exchange took place between them:

    Umar: Is he (Muhammad) or is he not the Messenger of God?

    Abu Bakr: Yes. He is the Messenger of God.

    Umar: Are we or are we not Muslims?

    Abu Bakr: Yes, we are Muslims

    Umar: If we are, then why are we surrendering to the pagans in a matter relating to our faith?

    Abu Bakr: He is God's Messenger, and you must not meddle in this matter.

    But Umar's defiance only escalated another notch after the admonition by Abu Bakr, and he went to see the Prophet himself. He later said: “I went into the presence of the Prophet, and asked him: ‘Are you not the Messenger of God?' He answered, ‘Yes, I am.' I again asked: ‘Are we Muslims not right, and are the polytheists not wrong?' He replied: ‘Yes, that is so.' I further asked: ‘Then why are we showing so much weakness to them? After all we have an army. Why are we making peace with them?' He said: ‘I am the Messenger of God, and I do whatever He commands me to do.'“


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    Imam Hussain (a) himself challenged his brother on the treaty.

    Some people express their "nijasat" as well as "khabathat" in this way. Since they themselves are Yateem of Abu Sufiyan and copy Umar, they think that even Imams behave like them. 

    What a rijs such mentality is!!! Thinking that Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) was unaware of his duty & behavior towards the Imam of time. To "Challenge" the Ulil Amr (Imam of time), is not the way & teaching of Ahlul Bayt asws. 

    It is however a sunnat of Umar. And history of hudaybiyah mentions how he challenged the peace treaty done by Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)


  3. On 5/17/2019 at 12:17 PM, Follower of Ahlul Bayt said:

    the fact that Imam Hussain (a) disagreed with Imam Hassan (a) on the peace treaty with Mu'awiyah. The evidences for this can be read here

    Now I can understand who is behind this whole thing!!

    Anyway, the so called "evidence" has been refuted if people just see the quoted parts (before & after) by brother @S.M.H.A.


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    We actually have some reports which state that one of the reasons Imam Ali (a) didn't rise up was because of the lack of support he had

    I don't really need to say anything after this confession of "one of the reasons". Despite the fact that there are alsothe reports which mentions the offer of Abu Sufiyan to support Imam Ali (عليه السلام)

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    Muawiyah was a rebel and therefore it is Imam Ali's (a) duty to fight him yeah? Why didn't Imam Hasan (a) fight him then? Stop digging a hole for yourself

    Time to quote few paragraphs from al-Islam.org

    "History provides contradictory situations about peace and war but if someone wants to study the true ideas of the Imam (عليه السلام) about peace and war, then he should concentrate on the above sermon. Imam (عليه السلام) had shown his firm determination to fight on despite the disobedience, differences, treachery, many incidents, including the attack on his camp and the murderous attack on himself, provided the soldiers were willing to fight according to his command.

    This means that whatever has been publicized about Imam Hasan (عليه السلام) himself wanting peace is not correct! The conclusion is that the true Islamic caliph, the grandson of the Holy Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم), being the Imam, did not deviate from the basic divine law which directs to fight the rebellious group till they return to the right path as commanded by Almighty Allah.

    In accordance with this very firm Islamic law, his father had fought with Muawiya and the Imam (عليه السلام) also followed the same divine law step by step till the end.

    Thus he was not satisfied with peace with Muawiya and had made it clear to the people that there was neither respect nor justice in it. However, when they wanted to accept it despite this explanation, the Imam (عليه السلام) could not force them to fight on. So, he took the bitter pill of the offer of peace by Muawiya."

    https://www.al-Islam.org/Imam-Hasan-and-caliphate-qurrat-ul-ain-abidiy/maskin-madain

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    You absolute joker. You  a typical example of someone who mixes arrogance and ignorance— a fool.

    Firstly, you idiot, I never said Imam Hasan (a) did a wrong thing by doing a peace treaty with Mu'awiyah. Stop lying you dajjal.

    Secondly, all I stated was that Imam Hasan (a) didn't have enough helpers. 

    Lets see firs the words;

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    But one incident which I believe makes the case that the Imams are different people and that they wouldn't have done the same as each other even if they had the same circumstances is the fact that Imam Hussain (a) disagreed with Imam Hassan (a) on the peace treaty with Mu'awiyah. 

    I will discuss the evidence provided for this claim later. 

    7 hours ago, Follower of Ahlul Bayt said:

    Are you going to accuse Shaykh al-Mufid of 'copying Umar'? You jahil

    Thirdly, Imam Hussain (a) himself challenged his brother on the treaty. Now, you going to accuse Imam Hussain (a) of copying Umar and being stupid? 

    Challenged!!!! What???

    A note to moderators: I would like to see what you will do to this person who have insulted me and have said the highlighted words for Imam Hussain (عليه السلام). Either set me free to teach him a lesson in return or take action please.

    Furthermore, I just want to say the following in my own language:

    ناکام تمنا دل، اس سوچ میں رہتا ہے

    یوں ہوتا تو کیا ہوتا، یوں ہوتا تو کیا ہوتا

     

     


  5. Dealing with "Miskeen":

    Surah Al-Insan, Verse 8:

    وَيُطْعِمُونَ الطَّعَامَ عَلَىٰ حُبِّهِ مِسْكِينًا وَيَتِيمًا وَأَسِيرًا And they give food out of love for Him to the poor and the orphan and the captive: (English - Shakir)

    Dealing with Jahil:

    Surah Al-Furqan, Verse 63:

    وَعِبَادُ الرَّحْمَٰنِ الَّذِينَ يَمْشُونَ عَلَى الْأَرْضِ هَوْنًا وَإِذَا خَاطَبَهُمُ الْجَاهِلُونَ قَالُوا سَلَامًا

    And the servants of the Beneficent Allah are they who walk on the Earth in humbleness, and when the ignorant address them, they say: Peace. (English - Shakir) 

    A gift to all those who call themselves follower of Ahlul Bayt.


  6. 14 minutes ago, Follower of Ahlul Bayt said:

    What a miskeen you are. 

    Although I can respond to all of what you have displayed but in this month of patience, I will not going to lose it.

    May Almighty Lord teach you how to deal with a "miskeen" and "jahil" like me!

    I am in debt of these words and will return you back with double intensity when I deemed necessary.


  7. On 5/17/2019 at 12:17 PM, Follower of Ahlul Bayt said:

    Imam Ali (a) didn't fight Abu Bakr and Umar and Uthman because he didn't have sufficient followers.

     

    These three must be thankful to Imam Ali (عليه السلام) that he never raised his sword against them. Otherwise you will see them running like Amr bin Al-As ran from the battle of Siffin. 

    Secondly, Imam Ali (عليه السلام) fought with Marhab who was a famous warrior, Imam Ali (عليه السلام) fought with Amr bin Abdawad, a famous warrior etc, the three you named above are famous for something else for instance climbing the mountain, 2000 meters sprint etc. 

    "he didn't have sufficient followers", by this assertion, do you want to protect Abu Sufiyan (L) who offered Imam Ali (عليه السلام) to rise against Abu Bakr & Co & assured of his complete cooperation? If it was a plan of God that Imam Ali (عليه السلام) should raise against the first one, you would have seen him fighting alone with no fear whatsoever.
     

    On 5/17/2019 at 12:17 PM, Follower of Ahlul Bayt said:

    He (a) did fight Muawiyah and Aisha because he did have sufficient followers.

     Both of them were rebels at that very time (in Jamal & Siffin), to fight with them was his duty.
     

    On 5/17/2019 at 12:17 PM, Follower of Ahlul Bayt said:

    Imam Hassan (a) did a treaty with Muawiyah because his army did not contain a sufficient number of trustworthy and reliable followers.

    

      Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) did a treaty with Kuffar too while some stupids think that he should have fight. Are you copying Umar? 
     

    On 5/17/2019 at 12:17 PM, Follower of Ahlul Bayt said:

    Imam Hussain (a) only initially wanted to fight Yazid when he was looking for followers, and when the Kufans betrayed him, fighting was not Imam Hussain's (a) goal

    :) Here you do think that Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) was unaware of the term "Zibhin Azeem", you do believe that he was totally unaware of Karbala. 





      


  8. 36 minutes ago, Guest YaBaqir said:

    The Imams also did the balaghal mobeen just they were not given a revelation in form of scripture.

    Instead they spread the message of the Qur'an.

    Qur'an is dhikr, Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) is dhikr, Ahlul Bayt as are the Ahlul Dhikr. The bearers of the Minniyat of Rasool.

    We cannot in any way call them Rasool. They are the Mukhlas, Mustafa & Mujtaba "SERVANTS" of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and nothing more. 


  9. 27 minutes ago, Guest YaBaqir said:

    this is not to say Qur'an doesn’t have Wilayah of Ali just that 5:67 and the balagh of it and manifesting what has been revealed regarding Ali to all generations that is something that is a message.  Ghadir thaqalain message was necessary for humanity to see it in Qur'an

    Alaikas-Salam,

    Can you please post your question is simple way. What exactly is your query? Yes we know Qur'an do mention the wilayat-e-Amirul Mo'mineen (عليه السلام) in several places. What I have mentioned is another aspect of Ahlul Bayt (asws), that is they all are Qur'an-e-Natiq within themselves.

     



     


  10. 35 minutes ago, Guest YaBaqir said:

    5:67 is enough to show the truth about difference of Nubuwa and Resalah and Wahy.

     

     

    On 5/16/2019 at 9:19 PM, Guest YaBaqir said:

    The word Baligh and Resalah here both imply that Resalah is more then Qur'an

    Which verse was revealed after Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) acted upon 5:67 and announced the wilayah of Imam Ali (عليه السلام) in the famous sermon of Ghadeer?

    "Al Yowma akmalto lakum deenokum wa atmamto alaikum ne'mati" 

    Have you considered what this verse would mean?
    And what Qur'an Al-Hakeem itself is? 
     

    وَإِنَّهُ لَحَقُّ الْيَقِينِ {51}

    [Shakir 69:51] And most surely it is the true certainty
    [Pickthal 69:51] And lo! it is absolute truth.
    [Yusufali 69:51] But verily it is Truth of assured certainty.

    وَإِنَّهُ فِي أُمِّ الْكِتَابِ لَدَيْنَا لَعَلِيٌّ حَكِيمٌ 
    43:4


     


  11. 20 hours ago, Follower of Ahlul Bayt said:

    Imams are all the same person

    If by "same person" you mean "kullona Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)" then yes they all are. And what makes 12 Imams Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم), is that they are the bearers of the "minniyat" of Rasool Allah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)

    20 hours ago, Follower of Ahlul Bayt said:

    each of them would have done exactly the same thing as the other and the only reason that they did different things was due to their situations.

    I can see that you have built this question on assumption. So try to figure out the answer by assumptions which would not lead you to truth or perhaps anywhere.

    Do you think that Imam Ali (عليه السلام) and Imam Hassan (عليه السلام) were unaware of "zibhin azeem"? Do you think that Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) unaware of "zibhin azeem"? Every Imam follow the divine commands and act according to divine plans. Thats the simplest answer I can give even though I am sure that you will try to bring more assumptions.

     


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    Volume 3, Book 32, Number 227:

    Narrated Abu Huraira:

    Allah's Apostle said, "Whoever prayed at night the whole month of Ramadan out of sincere Faith and hoping for a reward from Allah, then all his previous sins will be forgiven." Ibn Shihab (a sub-narrator) said, "Allah's Apostle died and the people continued observing that (I.e. Nawafil offered individually, not in congregation), and it remained as it was during the Caliphate of Abu Bakr and in the early days of 'Umar's Caliphate."

    The address itself starts at individual level "whoever" :)

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    Volume 3, Book 32, Number 230:

    Narrated Abu Salama bin 'Abdur Rahman:

    that he asked 'Aisha "How was the prayer of Allah's Apostle in Ramadan?" She replied, "He did not pray more than eleven Rakat in Ramadan or in any other month. He used to pray four Rakat ---- let alone their beauty and length----and then he would pray four ----let alone their beauty and length ----and then he would pray three Rakat (Witr)." She added, "I asked, 'O Allah's Apostle! Do you sleep before praying the Witr?' He replied, 'O 'Aisha! My eyes sleep but my heart does not sleep."

    This one too giving clear impression of night prayers being performed individually by Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)

     


  13. Imam al-Baqir (‘a) and Imam al-Sadiq (‘a) were asked about the permissibility of praying optional prayers in congregation during the nights of Ramadan. They both narrated a tradition of the Prophet (s) where he said:

    • “Verily, the offering of nafila(recommended prayers) in congregation during the nights of Ramadan is aninnovation… O people! do not say nafila prayers of Ramadan in congregation…. Without doubt, performing a minor act of worship which is according to the sunna is better than performing a major act of worship which is an innovation.”

    [al-Hurr al-`Amili, Wasa’il al-Shi`ah, volume 8, page 45]


  14. Just now, Zaid Bin Ali said:

    So do anyone knows why Imam Ali did not stop taraweeh when he became the 4th caliph?

    We are more focused on whether he lead any taraweeh prayers or even joined the jama'at. Or any of our Imam practiced it or even advised it to anyone of his comanion or student. 

    We only have evidence for night prayers during ramadhan which are to be offered individually (furada), not in congregation.


  15. 24 minutes ago, M.IB said:

    Can I paste all of the Qur'an? Anyway, I especially love this verse: 

    قُلْ إِنَّ رَبِّي يَقْذِفُ بِالْحَقِّ عَلَّامُ الْغُيُوبِ

    Say, "Indeed, my Lord projects the truth. Knower of the unseen." [34:38]

    The verse number is 48 brother. 


  16. On 5/4/2019 at 4:16 PM, khamosh21 said:

    it was a euphemism... and the above verse is speaking of religion, Allah himself when speaking of life of this world:

    Surah Muhammad, Verse 36:
    إِنَّمَا الْحَيَاةُ الدُّنْيَا لَعِبٌ وَلَهْوٌ وَإِن تُؤْمِنُوا وَتَتَّقُوا يُؤْتِكُمْ أُجُورَكُمْ وَلَا يَسْأَلْكُمْ أَمْوَالَكُمْ

    The life of this world is only idle sport and play, and if you believe and guard (against evil) He will give you your rewards, and will not ask of you your possessions.
     

     

    :bismillah:

    أَفَحَسِبْتُمْ أَنَّمَا خَلَقْنَاكُمْ عَبَثًا وَأَنَّكُمْ إِلَيْنَا لَا تُرْجَعُونَ {115}

    [Shakir 23:115] What! did you then think that We had created you in vain and that you shall not be returned to Us?

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