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313 Seeker

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  1. @Darth Vader want to laugh at Abu jaafar (عليه السلام). ? He said: ‘And there was no sun, and no moon, and no stars and no clouds. Then He Folded it and Placed it upon the Earth, then Established two creations. Then He Raised the sky before the Earth, so that is His Statement, Mighty is His Mention: “[79:30] And the Earth, He expanded it after that”. He Said that He Spread it out’. ..." Is that also mental acrobatics and pagan to you?
  2. Please explain exactly how that proves me wrong.
  3. As a summary ladies and gents .. From Qur'an and hadiths . 1. Earth was before heaven and everything in it. 2. Heaven was created after being joined with Earth
  4. I already gave you from Qur'an that heaven was created after Earth, and that heaven was cleft from Earth as they were one. And you ignore hadiths?
  5. Why mental acrobatics. The words are on my side. Word like the ones I mentioned above. Check them Jan dictionary if you don't believe me. Check farash for instance. You would have to make more than acrobatics to explain spreading a shape into a ball.
  6. @Cool also from al kafi How do you explain no sun no moon but still Earth?
  7. Look you can say whatever you want that is vague, but my argument has solid and direct evidence. Allah said he created Earth and then heavens. Hadiths say the exact same. You want to say that heaven was not created after Earth?
  8. want to laugh at Abu Abdullah's quote here (al kafi vol8 ) :
  9. @Cool Prophet saying Earth is like a ring, want to laugh about that too?
  10. I don't need telescope to read Qur'an. Keep laughing. Who laughs last laughs best.
  11. That proves my point as I described in my previous point. Earth came first the m heave was split from Earth. Make sense according to mainstream?
  12. Let us be honest here and refer to Qur'an for those who fear God, @Cool Look at the chronology from Fusilat in Qur'an: 1. And He placed on the Earth firmly set mountains over its surface 11 2. Then He directed Himself to the heaven while it was smoke and said to it and to the Earth, "Come [into being], willingly or by compulsion." They said, "We have come willingly." 12 3. And He completed them as seven heavens within two days and inspired in each heaven its command. And We adorned the nearest heaven with lamps and as protection. 13 As you can see without doubt that Earth is described as stable and that it existed before heaven was still smoke and no 'lights'. Continue: Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the Earth were a joined entity, and We separated them 21:30 .. so we know two things for fact 1. Earth was before heavens 2. Heaven was cleared from Earth Earth like everything was made from water. And We placed within the Earth firmly set mountains, lest it should shift with them 21:31 .. sound like a ball in space to you? And We made the sky a protected ceiling, but they, from its signs, are turning away. 21:32 .. sky a ceiling? Sounds awfully like the firmament in the bible doesn't it? Some accurate proper Qur'an studies here .. https://*************wiki/Flat_Earth_and_the_Quran
  13. Nothing you said explains shape of the Earth like terms used as 'spread', 'wide', etc. Earth doesn't float like sun and moon. Qur'an is on my side in this
  14. Heaven was raised into 7 heavens after Earth. No matter how you imagine it, according to Qur'an heaven came after Earth, regardless of divisions after they were created.
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