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Ali Abbas_110

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  1. when did i say that you are here to debate me? I just answered to the question you asked regarding the representation of my thread. And after that, i just clarified you misconception on 'blood-shedding as a ritual'. That's it. This is no debate, this thread is just a discussion on a doubt which i perceived after a debate with some person.
  2. by the way, it is no "ritual". its just an expression of immense grief that rises in a human being when he remembers the sorrows and horrors of their most beloved(Ahlulbayt).
  3. the words of Allah are the words of quran, and the words of quran are the words of the Infallibles. If you agree on this, then neither did any of the infallibles give any kind of supportive indication on our modern practices of azadari (blood-shedding). Indeed, it is something forbidden by the Holy Quran. Thus, ends the point of the argument. ------ as said by the Sunni with whom i was debating with.
  4. the words of Allah are the words of quran, and the words of quran are the words of the Infallibles. If you agree on this, then neither did any of the infallibles give any kind of supportive indication on our modern practices of azadari (blood-shedding). Indeed, it is something forbidden by the Holy Quran. Thus, ends the point of the argument. ------ as said by the Sunni with whom i was debating with.
  5. i am confident of myself being clear as i have mentioned about self-harm to act of blood-shedding/blood-spilling. it may be practiced in many different ways like beating on the chest with blades, tatbeer(qamazani) , hitting on the backs with sharp blades attached to chains, etc.
  6. Assalamu alaikum. How do i counter this fault put up by sunni's , "it is mentioned in the quran that self-harm is haraam"? How do i prove them with a satisfying reason behind the practice of spilling of our blood for the sake of azadari to be right? I know we have ample of reasons, example:-1) owais al qarrani's sacrifice of teeth as an expression of grief for rasoolallah.2) prophet yaqoob's blinding of himself caused by grieving for his son prophet yusuf.3) according to a hadeeth of imam jaffer al sadiq, it is said that, "for hussain, dont just cry, yell, dont just yell, scream, dont just scream, choke!"-All of these, still do not give a stable reason and does not prove our practice of qamazani and other blood-spilling methods to be right on account of the self-harm verse of quran.-And one more thing regarding owais al qarani. Rasoolallah's no objection on owais al qarani does not justify appropriately as what he meant about his words, " I can smell the fragrance of jannah from yemen." does not explain that he had no objection on owais's actions of breaking his teeth due to grief. Perhaps, he appreciated him for his obedience towards his mother. Therefore it simply cannot justify these practices against the verses of quran. Sunni's say that anything mentioned in the quran to be haraam, is haraam in all aspects, no matter what the purpose may it be or in what way it is being done. Anybody who doesn't act according to the verses of quran or acts on opposing to what is said in the quran are doing haraam. If prophet Muhammed(s.a.w) would have justified the action by his words, only then it could be considered as legally accepted by islam. I request you, please do work on this issue and help me out.
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