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I don't think it is within our scope. Hajj is obligatory once in life time, every Muslim must be aware of this fact. And every Muslim has his priorities, problems and limitations. So everyone can perform this obligatory worship as per his convenience. There is no compulsion Islam assert on Muslims to rush for hajj at their earliest.

And how could we serve Him if there were no messengers? I mean to serve God, you have to have His commands, you have to have teachers, manners, wisdom etc.

"Ma lam naqlahu fee anfusana" (What we never said for ourselves)

@In Gods Name I am again request you to answer this question;

Ok, so what's the problem here dude if something is not wajib? Does that negates their knowledge? Here is a hadith from his book: / 54 - حدثنا محمد بن محمد، قال: حدثنا أبو جعفر محمد بن علي بن الحسين بن موسى بن بابويه القمي (رحمه الله)، قال: حدثني أبي، قال: حدثنا محمد بن يحيى العطار، قال: حدثنا أحمد بن أبي عبد الله البرقي، عن أبيه، عن خلف بن حماد الأزدي، عن أبي الحسن العبدي، عن الأعمش، عن عباية بن ربعي، قال: كان علي أمير المؤمنين (عليه السلام) كثيرا ما يقول: سلوني قبل أن تفقدوني، فوالله ما من أرض مخصبة ولا مجدبة، ولا فئة تضل مائة أو تهدي مائة إلا وأنا أعلم قائدها وسائقها وناعقها إلى يوم القيامة http://shiaonlinelibrary.com/الكتب/1334_الأمالي-الشيخ-الطوسي/الصفحة_84 (Ask me before you lose me, for by God, there is no fertile or barren land, nor a group that leads a hundred astray or guides a hundred, except that I know its leader, driver, and caller until the Day of Resurrection.)

Now, show me where Imam (عليه السلام) "claimed" I am the Ulil Amr, the Imam whose obedience is made obligatory on muslims by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). So do you accept him as "Ulil Amr"?

lol, the Arabic text is not what has been mentioned in translation ! Oh God!!

@In Gods Name why you are running away from this simple question?

So why don't you see what they have said and mentioned in the 11 ahadith mentioned in the first two opening posts? lol And by the way, don't try to alter the translation of: الذين قالوا فينا ما لم نقله في أنفسنا

@In Gods Name, I have one simple question. Do you accept Imams as witness over people شهداء على الناس?

Interestingly, at least 11 ahadith are quoted in the two opening posts. Yet we have people disputing with us on the simple conclusion, that is: So if you think, ghuluw is that which Imam never claimed for themselves, then I am challenging you all, to prove/show, where they have claimed that they are the Imams? Start from Imam Ali (عليه السلام) and come to Imam al-Mehdi ajtf. I need 12 claims from each one of them where they have "claimed" (individually) that they are the Imams and ulil amr So, your accepting them the Imam is ghuluw? Your accepting them as ulil amr is ghuluw? That would be considered as square of ignorance.

Quran itself is the evidence of the knowledge of Imams عليهم السلام 1. Imams, according to Quran, are the bearers of knowledge of the book (علم الكتاب). 2. Imams, according to Quran, are راسخون في العلم 3. Imams, according to Quran, are الشهداء على الناس 4. Imams, according to Quran, are the men of الاعراف who will recognize people from their marks. 5. Imams, according to Quran, are the purified ones and the truthful ones. 6. Imams, according to Quran, are our Mowla, Ulil Amr and their obedience is made obligatory on us. 7. Imams, according to Quran, are the guided ones, even Satan cannot misguide them. I can keep going on to include hundreds of their virtues according to Quran. All of them, will lead us to accept their status as having "perfect knowledge" because they are the "perfect human beings" representing the perfect religion. These Imams are the ones who have the ability to talk with the Earth: وَقَالَ الْإِنْسَانُ مَا لَهَا {3} [Shakir 99:3] And man says: What has befallen her? يَوْمَئِذٍ تُحَدِّثُ أَخْبَارَهَا {4} [Shakir 99:4] On that day she shall tell her news بِأَنَّ رَبَّكَ أَوْحَىٰ لَهَا {5} [Shakir 99:5] Because your Lord had inspired her. This isn't joke, these are not fairy tales either! These are the verses of Quran. Do you have the knowledge to speak to earth and receive her answer? Have you ever considered the meaning of having "knowledge of the book"? Have you ever witnessed how Khizr (عليه السلام) was deputed on batin? What a misery is that!!! When people start thinking what they know is the only knowledge!

Just wanted to add that among the impactful actions are our duas too. While driving to my office, a thought suddenly came in my mind that I should recite Sura e Mulk for bringing ease for my Palestinian brothers. I recited the surah and then supplicated to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) for the people in Gaza. Lets see what impact this small action would bring for the innocent people of Gaza! I am very positive that the steadfastness will be granted to all those who are supporting the innocents and divine help will be there soon Insha Allah. Wassalam!

Everything has been stated brother. What Imams have claimed for themselves is also there in hadith books and what they haven't claimed is also there. Attributing to them the divinity (in terms of knowledge & power) is what which is prohibited. They are the witnesses over people, they are the rasikhoona fil-ilm, they are the "Asma Allah", and they are the manifestation of ism e mubarak "Aalim ul Ghayb" too.

lol, I have clearly stated more than 10 ahadith which mention what they haven't claimed for themselves in another thread. Why don't you just look at what they haven't claimed for themselves? All of them are tantamount of giving them the status of divinity (na'udobillah) e.g., they are al-khaliq, al-razzaq, aalim ul ghayb etc. We simply deny all these attributes. We say they "can" provide sustenance upon divine command like Jesus brought the "Ma'idah" for his followers, like Moses brought "man o salwa" for his followers. They know the ghayb but that knowledge is not their ilm-al-huduri. They "can" create, make the dead alive, speak to dead, if God wills so. And we know that God has appointed them as witnesses over people. How do they witness? I can quote another beautiful hadith with which you can even understand that!