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  1. If men are garbage, then females are the dumpster. . .meaning we go together
  2. Before Jesus existed as a human being he was simply God, YHWH, Elohim etc etc., so he was created via the Holy Spirit dwelling in Mary as a virgin and entering the Earth as any other regular human through birth. So Jesus always existed as God bc Jesus comes from the Holy Spirit and you could say he is God/Holy Spirit incarnated in the Flesh.
  3. So because it is "biased" it is wrong? He showed a chart with evidence that other manuscripts contained the trinity verse WITHOUT needing the Latin translation. We follow the original Greek so that would be a problem for the Catholics. Why would one be a Christian and accept corruptions from Catholic based translations that would hurt HIS OWN religion? Wikipedia is not a reliable source bc anybody can edit something out whereas the source i gave are people who HAD to study their research to prove it belonged there. http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/pages/KJV/early-manuscript-evidence-for-including-1-john-5-7-king-james-version.htm
  4. Quran 4:171 - Ya ahla alkitabi lataghloo fee deenikum wala taqooloo AAala Allahiilla alhaqqa innama almaseehu AAeesaibnu maryama rasoolu Allahi wakalimatuhu alqahaila maryama waroohun minhu faaminoo billahiwarusulihi wala taqooloo thalathatun intahookhayran lakum innama Allahu ilahun wahidunsubhanahu an yakoona lahu waladun lahu ma fee assamawatiwama fee al-ardi wakafa billahiwakeela I have heard that, that verse doesn't mention Jesus was "only", or "but a messenger" of Allah. It mentions him as a prophet of Allah, and "roohun minhu" means that he is a spirit of God. Is there a website that transliterates it in English exactly with no extra input? Quran 3:7 - He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding. This is why Allah said, (seeking Al-Fitnah) meaning, they seek to misguide their following by pretending to prove their innovation by relying on the Qur'an -- the Mutashabih of it -- but, this is proof against and not for them. For instance, Christians might claim that ﴿`Isa is divine because﴾ the Qur'an states that he is Ruhullah and His Word, which He gave to Mary, all the while ignoring Allah's statements ― Ibn Kathir If the commentator uses an example of Christians being able to use a passage from the Quran to claim that Jesus is divine due to him being "Ruhullah" and Word of God (which goes exactly with the trinity doctrine). Then what is left to conclude from those passages when bible already claims that God creates with his word and is eternal? Quran 2:87 - And verily We gave unto Moses the Scripture and We caused a train of messengers to follow after him, and We gave unto Jesus, son of Mary, clear proofs (of Allah's sovereignty), and We supported him with the Holy spirit. Is it ever so, that, when there cometh unto you a messenger (from Allah) with that which ye yourselves desire not, ye grow arrogant, and some ye disbelieve and some ye slay? Why would the Quran also acknowledge him having a holy spirit that Christians already believe it's part of the trinity doctrine?
  5. Hindus do not originate from the Abrahamic Faith. They may have similar views but the origin is different since they were pagans. They believe in 3 in 1 but they have hundreds of other sub-deities in each of their 3 main gods. They're instructed to bow down to their statues and to rituals DEDICATED to MANY of their gods. That means that is basically a competition of who can worship the most gods along with the deities that belong in their categorized group. According to scriptures it was prophesied that God was going to have a Son and be God himself incarnated in the flesh, as there is no more than one God. Jesus himself did not come and claim another God even tho the Jews much like you guys believe currently thought he was, He always claimed he was one with the Father and spoke about giving us the Holy Spirit (which is also mentioned in the OT) still being a part from the same God. God probably knowing that people was going to have a hard time believing this knew that he was going to be crucified and prophesied it in the OT so that way nobody could say it wasn't stated before. Therefore, the difference is that it has been mentioned in the the scriptures beforehand. John (16:1-3) - These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended. They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.
  6. Galatians 4:16 - Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
  7. You don't try to shut down our practices ehh? Have you done ANY research around the world to see how this religion is affecting people outside of comfy America? Every day people are killed for going against sharia law by being apostates, being violated, being homosexual, practicing a different faith and many more "crimes" that shouldn't be crimes punishable by death. Let's not overlook all of the horrors that Islam harbors overseas in favor of a limited and comfortable view of a religion that does not offer that same comfort to millions upon millions overseas. Christians aren't actively persecuting or beheading people in the name of Jesus Christ in our judicial systems as A LOT of countries who practice Islam/ Sharia law do. Saying something's a sin and killing people for it are far two different things and it's driving a propaganda that millions of Muslims believe. I do agree that religion & government will have MOST to do with WWIII.
  8. LOL what are you talking about? Christians eat any food bc none is prohibited. We are not held responsible for how governments in certain parts of the world want to slaughter and distribute the food. According to our scriptures it is a form of idolizing whether by your theology makes it halal or w.e is irrelevant. Now yes there are other forms that people's government may allow idolization but that is not the argument we are speaking about RITUALS done by certain individuals and even worse when is promoted by a religion. Muslims can do what they want but Muslims also do not stay in their countries but travel and they have to accept the governmental laws that the country offers just like any other citizen has.
  9. Abraham was a Hebrew but is attributed as the father of Judaism so yes he is a Jew bc he started Judaism. In Christian theology he is called the father of faith. Abraham sacrificing a lamb was also a prophecy of Jesus Christ
  10. No, actually I am stating the opposite. The teachings of Christianity was passed down by Christ through his apostles and the apostles then preached unto the people and taught/influenced the Church Fathers the doctrine of the NT, and they then established the creed of the trinity. Catholicism came after everything was set and done with Constantine. According to the video you posted it seems that at the beginning Catholics made a mistake in labeling the trinity as heresy with the first council of Constantinople, but by the second council they agreed to accept it by realizing their mistake. So no they wouldn't disagree with the water analogy but if you would've brought up how their first council denied the trinity it would be embarrassing for them. I don't think there's really a significant difference in how we view the purpose of the holy spirit except for the process on how to receive it through their own personal rituals. I believe Roman Catholicism played a big part in Christianity bc of their huge political power since they were/are the longest reigning empire so they pretty much have dominated religion. That's why many scoffers view religion as something that was created by the government to control the people through propaganda. Romans 10:9 - That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. I do not know whether or not if someone denies the trinity would enter heaven if they have confessed Christ as savior. I do know tho that denying that would be consider heresy and when one confesses Christ he receives the holy spirit by many Protestant's belief, but I don't know if he will in fact receive it if they don't believe. I would just say that It's a must to believe in it just to avoid heresy and speaking on something I'm not sure. Anybody can enter heaven if they follow the verse above and genuinely prays a prayer in resemblance to the "sinner's prayer", remaining in faith of the acceptance the individual has done. So I believe that would include them (Catholics and/or Unitarians) as well but NOT those who are in charge of political power and UNDERSTAND that they are for example, changing the word of God around OR preaching heresies. That proves they were never saved.
  11. God gave a promise to Abraham he needs to keep so we have to still consider them as the chosen people no matter how stubborn and wrong they are. The Bible also mentions fake Jews who claim the religion are part of the synagogue of satan. I would assume that would refer to the Zionist that have political power and enforce certain laws rather than the regular Jewish practicing Jews. There are still messianic Jews out there who accept Christian beliefs but retain their Jewish heritage. Christianity was created by Jews and the Bible also gives a prophecy about 12,000 Jews from EACH of the 12 tribes of Israel being spared from God's wrath after the rapture. Meanwhile, throughout history they have suffered alot of tribulations as well.
  12. Lol I knew a jab at the Jews was going to come..I'm not sure I haven't heard no1 complain about halal or kosher food but it seems it has to be because Jews are a minority in the U.S. and do not partake in the same negative stigmas as Islam. Jews were the first to begin Judaism and according to Christian theology they still are viewed as the chosen people of God. Christianity was started by Jesus Christ who was a Jew and his Jewish apostles so as the verses that I mentioned above he claims to be the fulfillment of the Sabbath. Islam came out of nowhere with a Arabic man that claimed he was a prophet 600 years after Christ so the burden of proof is really on Muslims to prove how and why it is the final correct revelation by God.
  13. Mark 12:29 - And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: In the sense of the water example lol...no but we believe in ONE God that is a spiritual being or "Holy Spirit". And with this Spirit he uses messengers and prophets to manifest with miracles, prophecies, commandments, visions etc etc.. The Spirit of God can therefore become a physical human and be 100% God & 100% Man. The matter of the trinity is not to be claimed corrupted or heresy bc it is not understood bc that would be like trying to explain God himself which by Christian theology is exactly what it is. The ONLY way to be able to debunk the trinity is by going inside the scriptures and deciding if this was prophesied or mentioned before. The Jewish or Islamic view differentiates so that would be your role to compare and contrast.
  14. 1 John 5:7 (Trinity Doctrine) belongs in the King James Bible and was preserved by faithful Christians. But the passage was removed from many Greek manuscripts, because of the problems it seemed to cause. It is true that there is a small number of Scriptures that are not the same between the King James Bible and the so-called "Majority" Greek text. There are a number of reasons for this: 1 The so-called "Majority" text was not really based on the majority of texts, but rather a relatively small number of manuscripts. The last person to try to find the differences between the majority of Greek manuscripts, Dr. Von Soden, did not collate more than 400 of the more than 5,000 Greek texts. In other words, what is commonly called the "Majority" Greek text is not a collation of the majority of manuscripts at all. 2 The "Majority" Greek text is also the main Greek text used by the Eastern Orthodox religion. They had a vested interest in changing (or deleting) some texts. More on this in a moment. 3 John itself is not in a large number of extant Greek manuscripts. The growing religion that became known as Roman Catholic, after many debates eventually agreed on the doctrine of the Trinity. So they had no reason to remove 1 John 5:7 from their Bibles, since it supported what they taught. But the Greek Eastern Orthodox religion was combatting a heresy called "Sabellianism," and would have found it easier to combat the heresy by simply removing the troubling passage from their Bibles. The "Waldensian," or "Vaudois" Bibles stretch from about 157 to the 1400s AD and they do in fact contain 1 John 5:7. The fact is, according to John Calvin's successor Theodore Beza, that the Vaudois received the Scriptures from missionaries of Antioch of Syria in the 120s AD and finished translating it into their Latin language by 157 AD. This Bible was passed down from generation, until the Reformation of the 1500s, when the Protestants translated the Vaudois Bible into French, Italian, etc.. John Wesley and Jonathan Edwards believed, as most of the Reformers, that the Vaudois were the descendants of the true Christians, and that they preserved the Christian faith for the Bible-believing Christians today. Who Has the Most to Gain? Who Has the Most to Lose? The evidence of history shows us that the Roman Catholic religion was relentless in its effort to destroy the Vaudois and their Bible. It took them until the 1650s to finish their hateful attacks. But the Vaudois were successful in preserving God's words to the days of the Reformation. Now we have to ask ourselves a question: Who had the most to gain by adding to or taking away from the Bible? Did the Vaudois, who were being killed for having their Bibles, have anything to gain by adding to or taking from the words of God? Compromise is what the Roman religion wanted! Had the Vaudois just followed the popes, their lives would have been much easier. But they counted the cost. This was not politics; it was their life and soul. They above all people would not want to change a single letter of the words they received from Antioch of Syria. And they paid for this with their lives. Source: http://www.chick.com/ask/articles/1john57.asp
  15. Quran 6:118 - So eat of that (meat) on which Allah's Name has been pronounced (while slaughtering the animal), if you are believers in His Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.). Quran 6:121 - Eat not of (meats) on which Allah's name hath not been pronounced: That would be impiety. But the evil ones ever inspire their friends to contend with you if ye were to obey them, ye would indeed be Pagans. Quran 2:173 - He has forbidden you only the Maytatah (dead animals), and blood, and the flesh of swine, and that which is slaughtered as a scrifice for others than Allah (or has been slaughtered for idols, etc., on which Allah's Name has not been mentioned while slaughtering). But if one is forced by necessity without wilful disobedience nor transgressing due limits, then there is no sin on him. Truly, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. I think the problem arises during the process of slaughtering the animal to MAKE it halal. We think doing certain rituals like the slaughterer having to be predominantly Muslim, having to chat a praise solely to Allah before killing it, abstaining from certain meats etc etc., makes it like a form of idolizing since God did not command these certain rituals to us. Shieks are also another religion that are prohibited to eating ritual slaughtered foods. Allah being considered a false idol MAY also have influence on deciding whether it is idolizing. (For more Ayats go to Surah 5:3, 5:5, 6:118, & 16:115.) John 1:29 - The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. 1 Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 1 Timothy‬ ‭(4‬:‭3-5‬) - Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. Doctrine of Christianity supports all meats being halal to eat and gives us a tradition, not a ritual, of giving blessings to the food and giving God thanks through a prayer. One of Jesus Christ's attributes or names is the perfect lamb of God as he was sacrificed for humanity so that God can be reconciled with us through atonement. Therefore, the laws of "halal" or "kosher" food according to the Sabbath are no longer in place as it was written when Jesus said, "It is finished". Mark (2:27-28) - And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath. Colossians 2:16 - Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
  16. That does not apply to Christians bc our trinity doctrine comes from the Orthodox Christians that were part of the Nicene Councils. It is only heresy to those Catholics that refused to accept the doctrine from their opposing councils, and they were already brought up with pagan beliefs so they would not know the scriptures accurately. Think about it, these Romans who were the same Romans that crucified Christ claiming the name Christianity with Catholicisim and somehow people will believe that they are the true and righteous Christians? Constantine probably didn't have the knowledge of Christianity and wanted to merely use the religion for power. The Jews were the first named Christians and the teachings of Apostle Paul were kept by these Orthodox Christians. Acts 11:26 - And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch. Regardless, the holy spirit was mentioned already in the old testament and Jesus being the Son of God or God in the flesh proves the trinity doctrine. Therefore, the trinity doctrine is not really a matter of understanding bc that would be like trying to understand God himself which by Christian theology is exactly what it is. Only way to debunk trinity is by judging the scriptures. I find it funny that Catholicism condemns the trinity as heresy but believe in it.
  17. All i heard was trinity, unity, and diversity. The best explanation I could give about the trinity (The Father, Son, Holy Spirit) is a analogy to water, ice, and steam. Water (The Father) can remain in liquid form and is used for hydrating/quenching your thirst. Frozen water aka ice (The Son) is still water, but rigid and solid, so it plays a different role than it's liquid form. Ice therefore can be used for swelling of bruises to relieve blood clots or soothing of the throat. Steam (Holy Spirit) is a evaporated form of water that can be used to relieve nasal congestion or remove toxins that can cause sickness. The Trinity explained in the Bible all had different purposes but all exist, existed, and will exist simultaneously.
  18. Matthew (22:23-30) - 23 The same day came to him the Sadducees, which say that there is no resurrection, and asked him, 24 Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother. 25 Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother: 26 Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh. 27 And last of all the woman died also. 28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her. 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
  19. Quran 3:110 - Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors. Quran 98:6 - Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). THEY ARE THE WORST OF CREATURES. Surah 5:51 means just what it says there is no other way around it. It is as a general rule for muslims according to the Quran to not have Christians or Jews as friends. Islam was brought up as a family relationship within their tribes while conquering land in the Arabian Peninsula. Especially, when it calls muslims superior over mankind and refers to the people of the book as "worst of creatures". Keep in mind this includes animals and stuff. Quran 5:51 - O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliya' (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but Auliya' to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as Auliya', then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allah guides not those people who are the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers and unjust). The word 'Auliya' can very well mean protector, helper, guardian etc etc., but there arises two problems with deviating it from the translation as 'friends'. One, what does it mean to not have Christians as protectors or guardians? Does that mean in modern society you can only have muslim police officers, medical doctors, political leaders? Seems fair to you? The second problem is that if you try to give it any other translation you have committed the 'unforgivable sin' called 'Shirk'. Quran 10:62 - No doubt! Verily, the Auliya' of Allah [i.e. those who believe in the Oneness of Allah and fear Allah much (abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds which he has forbidden), and love Allah much (perform all kinds of good deeds which He has ordained)], no fear shall come upon them nor shall they grieve, If you translate 'Auliya' as friends here, I don't think it would be sin to say that Allah has friends, and if so, well then even worse. But if you change it to mean protector, guarder, or helper it would mean you just gave Allah partners in bodyguards which means that you put limits on Allah and made him inferior to being almighty, and if he is not almighty then he cannot be God. Quran 9:67 - The Hypocrites, men and women, (have an understanding) with each other: They enjoin evil, and forbid what is just, and are close with their hands. They have forgotten Allah; so He hath forgotten them. Verily the Hypocrites are rebellious and perverse. Those who try to reinterpret the verse are telling us something about themselves NOT about Islam. i think they are more uncomfortable with the nature of God as given in their Quran, than they are with THEIR idea of the God. Easily put, its like dudes talking bout they are not religious but they do believe there is a God, at the end of the day they just creating a god in their own minds, a god that jives to their tunes. And that's not what your religion is about. You can't just read the Quran and expect it to not step on your toes, have to accept it for what it is. 1 John 4:6 - We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
  20. That's not a answer to my question. I asked what hadiths as in which ones? Name where are these sources if they are on the internet and if you use siras/tafsirs then do the same. I only know of al-islam.org
  21. The Catholics uses different greek manuscripts from the ones protestants use, or should at least. They use the greek septuagint while we use the textus receptus from the original Christians in Antioch. Plus, they are 'Catholics' not 'Christians'. I think we have a different name for a reason.
  22. Yea, nice opinion sources? How do you know that these verse are not in general? What hadiths or siras are you using? Any muslim who will recite these surahs without knowledge of any sources from the ones you're getting your information will understand that what it says is pretty clear?
  23. Ofc I believe in self defense. Now, why isn't ISIS or Al-Qaueda considered a form of Jihad if the U.S. attacked THEIR land and created wars with them? If mahdi isn't here yet and it is acceptable to have Jihad in self defense then who does the orders for Jihad to be acceptable? Also, who makes the decisions for which Shias rulings to obeyed if is not the same as sunnis?
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