Ya_isa (as)

Np brother, I got this off of al-islam.org it’s a very good site, plenty of information on there.

First we have to see what was the commandment of our Holy Prophet ( pbuhhf) of who to follow after him, then once we establish that we go to Imam Baqir (as) or Imam Ali (as) for proving imamah! If they can’t accept Quran & ahlulbayt (as) then how can they accept imammah? The Holy Prophet (pbuhhf) on many occasions appointed Imam Ali (as) as his rightly successor, because that’s what Allah wanted ! Davat al ashira.... the first occasion where Imam Ali (as) was the first one to accept Islam openly, he was already a Muslim and practicing the religion with the Holy Prophet (pbuhhf) Imam Ali (as) was appointed right then and there as the rightly successor! And everything the Prophet (pbuhhf) does is not of his own will but it is Allahs will!

As we can see in the above tradition in Sahih Muslim, not only Ahlul-Bayt has been put beside the Qur’an, but also it has been mentioned three times by the Prophet (S). Despite the fact that the author of Sahih Muslim and many other Sunni traditionists have recorded the above tradition in their authentic books, it is regrettable that the majority of Sunnis are unaware of its existence at the best, or deny it at the worst. Their counter argument is that the most reliable tradition in this regard is the one recorded by al-Hakim in his al-Mustadrak, on the authority of Abu Huraira, attributing to the Messenger of Allah saying: "I leave amongst you two things that if you follow or act upon, you will not go astray after me: The Book of God and my Sunnah (traditions)." On tracing the source of this report of Abu Huraira which states "Qur’an and Sunnah,”we found out that it has NOT been recorded in any of the six authentic Sunni collections of the traditions (Sihah Sittah). Not only that, but also al-Bukhari, al-Nisa’i, and al-Dhahabi and many others rated this report (Qur’an and Sunnah) as weak because of its weak Isnad. It should be noted that although the book of al-Hakim is an important Sunni collection of traditions, yet it is ranked inferior to the six major Sunni books. This is while Sahih Muslim is in the second rank among the six Sunni collections of traditions. al-Tirmidhi reported that the "Qur’an and Ahlul-Bayt”version of the tradition is traced to 30+ companions. Ibn Hajar al-Haythami reported that he knows of 20+ companions witnessed that also. This is while the "Qur’an and Sunnah”version reported by al-Hakim has only one source! Thus we must conclude that the "Qur’an and Ahlul-Bayt”version is much more reliable. Moreover al-Hakim has also mentioned the "Qur’an and Ahlul-Bayt”version in his book (al-Mustadrak) through several chain of authorities and confirmed that the "Qur’an and Ahlul-Bayt”version of the tradition is authentic based on the criteria of al-Bukhari and Muslim. The Messenger of Allah (S) said: "I am leaving for you two precious and weighty Symbols that if you adhere to BOTH of them you shall not go astray after me. They are, the Book of Allah, and my progeny, that is my Ahlul-Bayt. The Merciful has informed me that These two shall not separate from each other till they come to me by the Pool (of Paradise)." Sunni references: 1. Sahih al-Tirmidhi, v5, pp 662-663,328, report of 30+ companions, with reference to several chains of transmitters. 2. al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, Chapter of "Understanding (the virtues) of Companions, v3, pp 109,110,148,533 who wrote this tradition is authentic (Sahih) based on the criteria of the two Shaikhs (al-Bukhari and Muslim). 3. Sunan, by Daarami, v2, p432 4. Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v3, pp 14,17,26,59, v4, pp 366,370-372, v5, pp 182,189,350,366,419 5. Fadha’il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v2, p585, Tradition #990 6. al-Khasa’is, by al-Nisa’i, pp 21,30 7. al-Sawa’iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar Haythami, Ch. 11, section 1, p230 8. al-Kabir, by al-Tabarani, v3, pp 62-63,137 9. Kanz al-Ummal, by al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, Chapter al-Iti’sam bi Habl Allah, v1, p44. 10. Tafsir Ibn Kathir (complete version), v4, p113, under commentary of verse 42:23 of Qur’an (four traditions) 11. al-Tabaqat al-Kubra, by Ibn Sa’d, v2, p194, Pub. by Dar Isadder, Lebanon. 12. al-Jami’ al-Saghir, by al-Suyuti, v1, p353, and also in v2 13. Majma’ al-Zawa’id, al-Haythami, v9, p163 14. al-Fateh al-Kabir, al-Binhani, v1, p451 15. Usdul Ghabah fi Ma’rifat al-Sahaba, Ibn al-Athir, v2, p12 16. Jami’ al-Usul, Ibn al-Athir, v1, p187 17. History of Ibn Asakir, v5, p436 18. al-Taj al-Jami’ Lil Usul, v3, p308 19. al-Durr al-Manthoor, al-Hafidh al-Suyuti, v2, p60 20. Yanabi al-Mawaddah, al-Qundoozi al-Hanafi, pp 38,183 21. Abaqat al-Anwar, v1, p16

Based on a parallel (Mutawatir) tradition upon whose authenticity all Muslims agree, the Messenger of Allah (S) informed his followers in several occasions that he would leave them two precious/weighty things and that if Muslims adhere to both of them, they will never go astray after him. They are the Book of Allah (Qur’an) and the Members of the House of the Prophet (Ahlul-Bayt), peace be upon them all. It is narrated in Sahih Muslim as well as many other sources that: Someday (after his last pilgrimage) the Messenger of Allah (S) stood to give us a speech beside a pond which is known as Khum (Ghadir Khum) which is located between Mecca and Medina. Then he praised Allah and reminded Him, and then said: "O’ people! Behold! It seems the time approached when I shall be called away (by Allah) and I shall answer that call. Behold! I am leaving for you two precious things. First of them is the book of Allah in which there is light and guidance...The other one is my Ahlul-Bayt. I remind you in the name of Allah about my Ahlul-Bayt. I remind you in the name of Allah about my Ahlul-Bayt. I remind you in the name of Allah about my Ahlul-Bayt. (three times)." Sunni Reference: • Sahih Muslim, Chapter of the virtues of the companions, section of the virtues of ‘Ali, 1980 Edition Pub. in Saudi Arabia, Arabic version, v 4, p1873, Tradition #36. • And many others such as Sahih al-Tirmidhi, Musnad Ahmad (see below). For the English version of Sahih Muslim, see Chapter CMXCVI, v4, p1286, Tradition #5920

Firstly you have to ask them to prove their version of khilafa to you from the Quran ! Which they can’t! is it by election ? Or selection ? If it is by election then the 2nd caliphs selection is void! If it is by selection then the 1st caliph his khilafa is void. Ask them to prove the concept of the Mahdi (as) from the Quran to you ! Where has he been mentioned ? Nowhere according to them, but they have to believe in him or else they are disbelievers. First we have to establish did the Holy Prophet ( pbuhhf) say Quran & sunnah ? Or Quran & ahlulbayt (as) we see that He (pbuhhf) said Quran & ahlulbayt (as) so the truth is with ahlulbayt (as) once we establish that, we see what they have to say about Imamah! You mean to tell me the 1st caliph thought about Islam and leaving a successor ? but the Holy Prophet (pbuhhf) didn’t ? How could the last Imam of this umma be from Ahlulbayt (as) but the first one is Abu bakr?

This is by far the best noha I have ever heard.

Great debate. Hijab couldn't answer any of the questions. He got owned ! Our Shia brother did great!! Allah bless him.

@Ahmed684 lol my brother I apologize for anything that I said that may have offended you. You're exactly right we are the true ahl sunnah.

@Mohammed72 you come here and expect us to abandon ahlulbayt (as) ? And join yazid and his likes ? Sunnis didn't even except Imam Ali (as) as their caliph for how many years ?? 150 years or more! So if you were born then what would you say ?

Haha he's running and ducking like his boyyyyy umar... you know how he was in the track team back then in hijaz haha

Hey takfiri there is no 72 Virgins waiting for you there ! Lol maybe 72 virgin males ! Run along now with your isis buddies. You thought you can come here and have one on us but instead you got OWENED !!

@Mohammed72 again first we need to establish the fact that who obeyed the command of the Holy Prophet (pbuhf) did you abandon the Quran or ahlulbayt (as) or did you stick to the Quran ? When Imam Mahdi (as) comes you can explain to him how you love and admire people who His (as) Mother (as) Lady Fatima(as) dies ANGRY WITH!! We will see how that goes down .... it's all right in front of you if you open your heart...