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ok, but what about this: Every thing you're ready to accept, except the name of Ali ibn Abi Talib (a.s). Why????

H 8236, Ch. 16, h 1 [Al Kafi, V5] Ali ibn Ibrahim has narrated from his father from Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn abu Nasr from Mu‘awiyah ibn ‘Ammar who has said the following: “Abu ‘Abd Allah, ‘Alayhi al-Salam, has said that our slogan on the day Badr was, ‘O victory of Allah,come close! come close!’ The slogan of Muslims on the day of ‘Uhud was, ‘O victory of Allah, come close!’ On the day of banu al-Nadir it was, ‘O Holy Spirit, bring comfort!’ On the day of banu Qaynaqa‘ it was, ‘O our Lord, no one is able to defeat You!’ On the day of Taef it was, ‘O Ridwan! (name of a certain angel)’ Our slogan on the day of Hunayn was, ‘O banu ‘Abd Allah! O banu ‘Abd Allah!’ On the day of al-Ahzab it was, ‘Ha Mim, They cannot see!’ On the day of banu Quraydah it was, ‘O Peace Giver, make them surrender!’ On the day of al-Muraysi‘ which is also called the day of banu al-Mustliq it was, ‘Is the matter not in the hands of Allah!’ On the day of al-Hudaybiyah it was, ‘May Allah condemn the unjust!’ On the day of al-Khaybar, also called the day of al-Qamus it was, ‘O Ali, come upon them from on high!’ On the day of victory it was, ‘We are the servants of Allah, indeed, indeed!’ On the day of Tabuk it was, ‘O the One! O self-sufficient!’ On the day of banu al-Maluh it was, ‘Higher, higher!’ On the day of Siffin it was, ‘O Assistance of Allah!’ The slogan of al- Husayn, ‘Alayhi al-Salam , was, ‘O Muhammad!’ Our slogan is, ‘O Muhammad!’ Graded Hasan, by Alama Majlisi [Mirat al uqul] Note: This hadith quoted by @QuranandAhlulbayt on a different thread. I have just copied & pasted it, assuming that the brother momin has quoted the references with responsibility.

I think this has been purposely missed or ignored by many.

Ma Sha Allah! Very sad to see that calling the name of our Imam has become the pagan tradition. Before quoting this verse to us, I wish you would have seen the earlier verse as well. Surah Al-Maeda, Verse 103: مَا جَعَلَ اللَّهُ مِن بَحِيرَةٍ وَلَا سَائِبَةٍ وَلَا وَصِيلَةٍ وَلَا حَامٍ وَلَٰكِنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا يَفْتَرُونَ عَلَى اللَّهِ الْكَذِبَ وَأَكْثَرُهُمْ لَا يَعْقِلُونَ Allah has not ordained (the making of) a bahirah or a saibah or a wasilah or a hami but those who disbelieve fabricate a lie against Allah, and most of them do not understand. (English - Shakir) Please let us know exactly, Ya Ali Madad looks to you like bahira or saibah or a wasilah? @Ali_Hussain, thank you for mentioning all this, on behalf of us. May Almighty give you its reward.

It is checkmate, game is over now. Go & get some sleep.

مَن ذَا الَّذِي يَشْفَعُ عِنْدَهُ إِلاَّ بِإِذْنِهِ يَعْلَمُ مَا بَيْنَ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَمَا خَلْفَهُمْ وَلاَ يُحِيطُونَ بِشَيْءٍ مِّنْ عِلْمِهِ إِلاَّ بِمَا شَاء What do you think about the "illa" in above verse? When Allah has provided the exceptions, who are you to dictate us your absurd opinions?

@313 Seeker How many salwats have you recited with the intention of helping the Prophet or Ahlul Bayt (peace & blessings of Allah be upon them)?

If we associate someone from ourselves with Allah, this is called shirk. If Allah associate someone with Him, who can dare to call that shirk. Examples: 1) Allah is sending blessings on Prophet, He called the angels & the believers with to join Him. 2) Allah is Malik-ul-Mulk, Is there anyone who can stop Him if He wills to give Mulkan Kabeera & Mulkan Azeema to His chosen ones? 3) Allah is Wali-e-Barhaqq, the Absolute owner of the Wilayah, if He wills to give wilayah to His chosen ones, who is there to stop Him?

Don't try to put fingers in my mouth for taking out the words you want me to say. You continue to think that way, think & think & think. What the verse 5:55 means, does Allah declaring Prophet & Imam Ali as His partner(na'uzobillah) or are they His AUTHORIZED representatives. Similarly, He only possess the knowledge of unseen, but when He wills to disclose that to His chosen ones, Is there anyone who can stop Him? It seems to me that I am debating with Ibn-e-Taymiyyah!

There is absolutely no need to present any argument to anyone. Allah knows best, what is in our hearts, you people keep on your guess work. As long as we are not believing anyone as God, there is no problem for us. Some times, we use this phrase as a tool, to distinguish between a mo'min and a munafiq. I am pleased to see what is going on here, couple of debaters got exposed at least. Ali Haq, Ali Haq, Ali Haq (Al-haqqo ma'aa Ali, wal Aliyyo ma'aa al haqq) Ya Ali Madad

The whole post is present up there, why don't you just help yourself by reading it completely.

They are no doubt empty bags, The words which are coming from their mouth, while reciting Quran, are not empty in their meanings & their worthiness. It is my opinion that whenever hypocrite recite Quran, the verses curse such reciter. For instance: فَمَنْ حَآجَّكَ فِيهِ مِن بَعْدِ مَا جَاءكَ مِنَ الْعِلْمِ فَقُلْ تَعَالَوْاْ نَدْعُ أَبْنَاءنَا وَأَبْنَاءكُمْ وَنِسَاءنَا وَنِسَاءكُمْ وَأَنفُسَنَا وأَنفُسَكُمْ ثُمَّ نَبْتَهِلْ فَنَجْعَل لَّعْنَةُ اللّهِ عَلَى الْكَاذِبِينَ So the hypocrite, being a liar, is cursed.

It seems to me that you are ignoring the very basic fact while involving in questioning me like that. "Wa Huwa Ma'akum Aina Ma Kuntum" (57:4) I prefer to hold patience on this takfeer.