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  1. Timing? Yes the timing is sunrise and sunset. You talk as if a clock is a standalone gadget that tells time of its own volition. It follows the Earth's movement on its axis. This is why sunrise and sunset times are accurate to the dot nowadays. To illustrate my point, go to this Islamic center of yours before maghrib, get any decent weather app like AccuWeather and observe the sunset time on it. Now compare this time to when the Adhaan initiates. You would rarely find a difference there. Again, my point being that when you can predict sunrise and sunset times so accurately why indulge in the extremist view of Imsak? Follow the Adhaan as prescribed by the Hadith and Quran.
  2. Agreed 100%. Thanks for starting this thread @M.A Hayyan, it was very heartening to see someone raise exactly the kind of questions I have been asking my Shia friends. And, like you, I have never been adequately answered because there is so much of the dreaded beating about the bush involved.
  3. Your scenario is very singular because in most Islamic countries there is a mosque in pretty much every neighborhood. Where I live, I have 6 mosques in a 1.5 mile radius. I can hear 3 adhaans very clearly and they begin within seconds of each other. And with the advancements in astronomy, we are inclined to predict correct sunrise and sunset times. Regarding, your point about the clock, it was superfluous. The clock isn't magic. It is based on the Earth's revolution on its axis. You open any weather app and you will have sunrise and sunset times displayed in it. And the fajr and maghrib adhaans would normally follow these times for the sake of accuracy. They do so in my place. By your logic, flying to Makkah for hajj/umrah would be bida'h because airplanes didn't exist back then.
  4. How do you negate adhaan being mentioned by the Holy Prophet (pbuh)? Isn't adhaan being given to this day? There is no innovation there. And even if your argument is taken why does one want to err on the side of caution when it comes to an act of worship? No one intentionally wants to eat past dawn or break their fast too early. And intentions hold more weight than actions in the court of Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala.
  5. In that case isn't it Bida'h? Since there is no record of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) ever observing Imsak or the Holy Quran invoking us to do so? To quote, “...and eat and drink until the white thread (light) of dawn appears to you distinct from the black thread (darkness of night)” (2:187) “Bilaal gives the adhaan at night, so eat and drink until you hear the adhaan of Ibn Umm Maktoom, for he does not give the adhaan until dawn comes.” (Muslim, 2670)
  6. Assalamu'alaikum! Dear members, as you can see this is my first post on this forum. I have come here because, being a Sunni Muslim, I was a bit troubled by the variation in the Sehr/Iftar timings of Hanafi and Jafari schools of thoughts (these are the two main madhabs followed in my country). There was a consistent variation of 10 minutes between them. The Shias always closed their Sehri 10 minutes prior to the Sunnis and began their Iftar 10 minutes after them. Why is that? What is the jurisprudence behind this? Jazak'Allah
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