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wmehar2

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  1. Haha
    wmehar2 reacted to 2Timeless in Does it annoy you brothers when you see a Muslim sister with improper behaviour or covering   
    I should start keeping score. #19999 thread on women. 
  2. Completely Agree
    wmehar2 reacted to notme in Does it annoy you brothers when you see a Muslim sister with improper behaviour or covering   
    People on shiachat use the word "western" to mean sinful. This is divisive and off-putting for "western" Muslims or site visitors. There is no conflict between "western culture" or "western dress" and Islamic traditions and attire. 
  3. Completely Agree
    wmehar2 reacted to notme in Does it annoy you brothers when you see a Muslim sister with improper behaviour or covering   
    I'm Muslim and "a Westerner" and I'm offended by the implication that my traditional attire is inherently immodest. 
    But this is a battle I can't win here so this one comment is all I'm going to say on it. 
  4. Partially Agree
    wmehar2 reacted to AkhiraisReal in Does it annoy you brothers when you see a Muslim sister with improper behaviour or covering   
    When you brothers see Muslim sisters and they are acting improperly or behaving like westerners or dressing like them. Does it make you sad? does it annoy you?
     
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    wmehar2 reacted to aaaz1618 in Islamic Qawwali   
    Can't say no to qawwali 
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    wmehar2 got a reaction from Muslim2010 in Hadith Rejectors - Muslim, Hypocrites, etc   
    Well I'm not entirely opposed.  I reasoned it's either revealed only in stages to Muhammad or ummah, or revealed all on night of al qadr and revealed again in stages but not absorbed all by Muhammad that night.
    I cannot find absolutely explicit detail concerning amount revealed on laylatulqadr.
    "Indeed we are sending" indicates  present tense not past tense (sent). From chapter 44, so I lean towards only revealed in stages during Muhammad's life. 
  7. Disagree
    wmehar2 got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Hadith Rejectors - Muslim, Hypocrites, etc   
    We have subtle but different interpretations.
    A command from us we are the senders (of the book not apostles in my interpretation )
    But...  I don't know if "it" necesarily means whole book.  If someone recites or is reciting a verse,  it's appropriate to say they are reciting Qur'an, it is also appropriate to say  theyre rwitig a specific chapter of Qur'an.. you know what I mean ?
    Well either way I'm open to it meaning it could have been the whole book.  But I stand by that if that was the case... the Prophet did not memorize or absorb it all that night.
  8. Disagree
    wmehar2 got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Hadith Rejectors - Muslim, Hypocrites, etc   
    Well I'm not entirely opposed.  I reasoned it's either revealed only in stages to Muhammad or ummah, or revealed all on night of al qadr and revealed again in stages but not absorbed all by Muhammad that night.
    I cannot find absolutely explicit detail concerning amount revealed on laylatulqadr.
    "Indeed we are sending" indicates  present tense not past tense (sent). From chapter 44, so I lean towards only revealed in stages during Muhammad's life. 
  9. Disagree
    wmehar2 got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Hadith Rejectors - Muslim, Hypocrites, etc   
    We interpret these different brother. I would also include verse 5.  The plain word by word translation :
    44: 2-5
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    By the book, the clear
    Indeed We revealed it in a night blessed
    Indeed We are warning
    Therein is made distinct every affair wise
    a command from us
    Indeed We are sending *******
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    I have pondered over this before...... I think I've reasoned it was possible but not likely that it was all revealed all in one night, (which is not really a conclusio) .    But if so it was not absorbed completely.  Ill show you why I think as such.
    Firstly I'm not seeing direct statement here ..that it was all revealed in one night.
    It begins by saying by the " Book , the clear !"  Like your translation I see that as swearing by it.
    Indeed we revealed it on a blessed night (can mean parts or all of it)
    Indeed We are warning 
    ***Therein is made distinct every affair wise a command from us Indeed We are sending ***
    I read this as a part of completing the first statement,  "  I swear by the clear book that was revealed on blessed night "  that in the Book is every wise affair/command made distinct .
    Simply : Guidance for all affairs distinct,  which are also a command (to obey ).... 
    Then... "Indeed we are sending"
    Why Is it not "indeed we have sent ?" Why not "indeed we have warned?"
    My only conclusion could be the qurans existence was revealed to Muhammad, with the initial verses he recieved. The verses continue to be sent and continue to be as warning. 
     The Qur'an/book preexisted Muhammad, but Muhammad had no knowledge of it per other Qur'an verses.
    Along with other verses mentioned here.
    If Muhammad was for example, revealed the Qur'an before he was born or when he was born, the statement that "it was not known to me " becomes redundant and unnecessary. So why did Allah command him to say that ?
    Therefore , these reasons are sufficient to me that Qur'an was not entirely revealed to Muhammad until the final verse towards end of 23 years.  
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    wmehar2 reacted to Ashvazdanghe in Hadith Rejectors - Muslim, Hypocrites, etc   
    Salam he just provides Wahabi points in that you can find in all forums like as Islamqa & etc 
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    wmehar2 reacted to Logic1234 in Hadith Rejectors - Muslim, Hypocrites, etc   
    The bold part shows that you don't know what we mean by infallibility (ismah). 
     
    Same here brother!
  12. Thanks
    wmehar2 reacted to Jaane Rabb in Hadith Rejectors - Muslim, Hypocrites, etc   
    Likewise, I find it ridiculous to believe that the Prophet had complete knowledge of the book, yet he had to await revelation to be received via Gibrael over the course of his mission and then had to await its recitation in full before repeating to the people. Anyway, I consider our debate finished now as it's becoming fruitless for us both.
     
    I read the Qur'an with a mindset to be guided, not with a mindset that I must make it fit into my [old] sectarian beliefs.
     
    I do not believe infallibility. I only believe Allah is infallible. I used to believe exactly as you do, considering I was a devout Shia for most of my life. Things have changed.
    Regarding mukhlaseen. I take this to mean sincere/purified ones and I don't believe it refers to Prophets only, but also to those that will be granted paradise. They are mentioned about five times in Surah As-Saffat. Feel free to check it out when you have a moment spare.
    Sure, the Messengers do know that they are under trial, but they are human and not robots. They have to control their nafs as we do. Muhammad (S) said, "I am only a man like you, to whom has been revealed that your God is one God." 18:110, 41:6.
    In any case, I agree about not discussing further.
     
    @Cool @Logic1234 @Ashvazdanghe @Muslim2010
    It's been a pleasure discussing brothers. Fi Amanillah.
  13. My Prayers
    wmehar2 reacted to aaaz1618 in Hadith Rejectors - Muslim, Hypocrites, etc   
    @Jaane Rabb keep up with your contribution to the forum, you make some valid points. Don't be discouraged.
  14. Disagree
    wmehar2 got a reaction from Muslim2010 in Tafsir of surah 28:68   
    If you paid attention @Muslim2010 I said I don't believe hadith are necessary 100% must follow or else you are doomed to hell. 
    I never said if you follow hadith you're going to hell or you will definitely be mislead.
    When I say I reject hadith I mean to say I do not believe they are necessary for every person to be granted Jannah.
    They shouldn't be put into laws and imposed onto people to follow and then give them punishment.  Granted how varied everyone believes in different kinds. They shouldn't be used to govern people.
    They should be kept personal.  
    So I don't understand your laughter 
  15. Completely Agree
    wmehar2 got a reaction from Khudi in Tafsir of surah 28:68   
    If you paid attention @Muslim2010 I said I don't believe hadith are necessary 100% must follow or else you are doomed to hell. 
    I never said if you follow hadith you're going to hell or you will definitely be mislead.
    When I say I reject hadith I mean to say I do not believe they are necessary for every person to be granted Jannah.
    They shouldn't be put into laws and imposed onto people to follow and then give them punishment.  Granted how varied everyone believes in different kinds. They shouldn't be used to govern people.
    They should be kept personal.  
    So I don't understand your laughter 
  16. Completely Agree
    wmehar2 got a reaction from Jaane Rabb in Tafsir of surah 28:68   
    You know the schools of thought who interpret so called infallible hadith when they themselves were fallible? 
    Don't even tell me within Shia school of thought your scholars unanimously agree. They don’t. Differing marjas, and even the ones who call themselves Shia split into sects based on differences of opinions.
    Or are you one who call themselves Sunni.
    The guys who... you know
    For them...Where It's ok that prayer variation is slightly different among each other, as long as they're following something they believe to come from the Prophet , even though they don’t think the other schools hadith justification for those different praying styles is sound..... because the main belief is close enough?   Plus thousands of other hadith examples?
    What backwards hypocrisy.  
    Then they give fatwas of takfirism. 
    @Muslim2010
    But the same scholars call those who use only Qur'an blasphemers?
    When they themselves disagree with other schools because the same hadith show them something different ?
    @Muslim2010
    Whether you believe it or not,  the only thing we have in common is we beleive in the message of Qur'an, granted through different outlets.
    And we don't know anything.   We become hypocrites the second  take another who believes in the message and relegate them to blasphemers or kafir when we ourselves may have errors in our interpretations and beliefs is when we truly become corrupted despicable people. 
    But you go ahead  and follow those scholars who would call others blasphemers and kafir.
    It won't stop my donations and efforts to Shia and Sunni Muslims and whoever else suffers in the world. 
    @Muslim2010
     
  17. Completely Agree
    wmehar2 got a reaction from Jaane Rabb in Tafsir of surah 28:68   
    Good thing that isn't for you to decide. 
    The Prophet gave and recited the message,  I accept the message but you call me a blasphemer. 
    Reproachable.
    Good thing Qur'an has no shred of evidence to support this blaspheming accusation.
    If I was half the jerk you were being @Muslim2010 , I would say it's blasphemy to call Allah's book incomplete without sunnah when it Says it's fully detailed  with no contradiction and nothing left out. By calling me a blasphemer and others who beleive Qur'an alone is sufficient.
    But I don't beleive that despite your opinion.
    Many of us grew up learning about sunnah first and stories and not Qur'an.   
    You blame them as blasphemer when they try to read the Qur'an without bias or plainly?  You wouldn't give them a hard time if they switched to Shia ideology ?  Would you ?
    There's something to be said about those who want to be sincere and attempt to be critical of their beliefs and challenge them than blindly accept them.
     
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    wmehar2 got a reaction from Jaane Rabb in Tafsir of surah 28:68   
    I  fear it's you who runs away from certain facts while disregarding others.
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    21:107
    We have not sent thee, save as a mercy unto all beings
     
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    What does the above verse say?  Does it say we sent you to rule over mankind, to give commands and to be obeyed by mankind?!
    Even here one of you said "right of obedience " is on believers.   
    2:2-5
    That is the Book, wherein is no doubt, a guidance to the godfearing
    who believe in the Unseen, and perform the prayer, and expend of that We have provided them;
    who believe in what has been sent down to thee and what has been sent down before thee, and have faith in the Hereafter;
    those are upon guidance from their Lord, those are the ones who prosper
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    The book isn't for those not conscious of God .
    It's to believers who received and accepted the messages before and will accept again.
    it's a guidance for those that fit that criteria.  Those not conscious of Allah there is no guidance here for them. 
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    Qur'an 88:21-23
    Then remind them! Thou art only a reminder;
    thou art not charged to oversee them.
    But he who turns his back, and disbelieves,
    God shall chastise him with the greatest chastisement
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    I think you're mixing metaphors.  In addition to above. ... we all know  that "There is no compulsion in religion"
    And there are people among the Ahl Kitab who receive their reward from what they earned with Allah, protected from Hell fire. They did not obey necessarily the Prophet.
    This is indisputable evidence that the world is not charged to obey Command of Muhammad from Qur'an.
    "Though art only a reminder"....
    not a sultan. This Is repeated  throughout the Qur'an.
     
  19. Haha
    wmehar2 got a reaction from Muslim2010 in Tafsir of surah 28:68   
    Who am I misguiding ?
    Were having discusion/debate. But never have I said  "I am definitely right and this is true Islam".
    I've said the opposited and admitted my interpretations are my own and can be mistaken.
  20. Haha
    wmehar2 got a reaction from Muslim2010 in Tafsir of surah 28:68   
    I've been apart of these forums for quite some time.  Before I studied Sufism under a master but by now I don't beleive I can be called or be associated with sufism.
    My label should be updated. 
    But I strongly Identify inner reflection and principles of akhlaq that I learned from them. I also identify with their acceptance of other Muslims into the fold of Islam.
  21. Haha
    wmehar2 got a reaction from Muslim2010 in Tafsir of surah 28:68   
    You know the schools of thought who interpret so called infallible hadith when they themselves were fallible? 
    Don't even tell me within Shia school of thought your scholars unanimously agree. They don’t. Differing marjas, and even the ones who call themselves Shia split into sects based on differences of opinions.
    Or are you one who call themselves Sunni.
    The guys who... you know
    For them...Where It's ok that prayer variation is slightly different among each other, as long as they're following something they believe to come from the Prophet , even though they don’t think the other schools hadith justification for those different praying styles is sound..... because the main belief is close enough?   Plus thousands of other hadith examples?
    What backwards hypocrisy.  
    Then they give fatwas of takfirism. 
    @Muslim2010
    But the same scholars call those who use only Qur'an blasphemers?
    When they themselves disagree with other schools because the same hadith show them something different ?
    @Muslim2010
    Whether you believe it or not,  the only thing we have in common is we beleive in the message of Qur'an, granted through different outlets.
    And we don't know anything.   We become hypocrites the second  take another who believes in the message and relegate them to blasphemers or kafir when we ourselves may have errors in our interpretations and beliefs is when we truly become corrupted despicable people. 
    But you go ahead  and follow those scholars who would call others blasphemers and kafir.
    It won't stop my donations and efforts to Shia and Sunni Muslims and whoever else suffers in the world. 
    @Muslim2010
     
  22. Haha
    wmehar2 got a reaction from Muslim2010 in Tafsir of surah 28:68   
    You follow them don't you ? A school of thought ?
    @Muslim2010
  23. Disagree
    wmehar2 got a reaction from Abu Nur in Tafsir of surah 28:68   
    Say what you want.
    I don't think we have  his sayings and teachings.
    Is there eveN a hadith that says my teachings and sunnah are complete ?
    No.  Because they are incomplete by definition.
  24. Haha
    wmehar2 got a reaction from Muslim2010 in Tafsir of surah 28:68   
    What exaggeration ?
  25. Disagree
    wmehar2 got a reaction from Muslim2010 in Tafsir of surah 28:68   
    Good thing that isn't for you to decide. 
    The Prophet gave and recited the message,  I accept the message but you call me a blasphemer. 
    Reproachable.
    Good thing Qur'an has no shred of evidence to support this blaspheming accusation.
    If I was half the jerk you were being @Muslim2010 , I would say it's blasphemy to call Allah's book incomplete without sunnah when it Says it's fully detailed  with no contradiction and nothing left out. By calling me a blasphemer and others who beleive Qur'an alone is sufficient.
    But I don't beleive that despite your opinion.
    Many of us grew up learning about sunnah first and stories and not Qur'an.   
    You blame them as blasphemer when they try to read the Qur'an without bias or plainly?  You wouldn't give them a hard time if they switched to Shia ideology ?  Would you ?
    There's something to be said about those who want to be sincere and attempt to be critical of their beliefs and challenge them than blindly accept them.
     
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