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Its great leadership. Treating citizens of your country who don't share you're religion, as though they're your own people. That's part of great leadership. She didn't react as what you call a normal human being. When Christians or Jews (Or anyone non Muslim) were massacred, how many normal people or leaders did what she did who were Muslim in our times ? The answer is not many, in fact much of the time unfortunately those such "Muslim" leaders were part of the problem.

He's my hero

Don't play into the same divisive game that ISIS and the Nazi terrorists play on everyone. I don’t think you can conflate sunnism with extremist groups that western people fear and developed an islamophobic disposition. The likes of Al Qaeda, white supremist Nazis, ISIS, etc. Etc. Are all the same and should not be conflated with all white Christians Sunni or Shia Muslims. ISIS feeds Nazis and Nazis feed ISIS. We want to unite with the world and get away from that brother. There are no Christian or Muslim terrorists. Just wannabe groups who use it as an excuse to cause terror to fulfill their void of empty purpose.

Salaam @IbnSina, I don’t condone calling anyone from Isis a Muslim terrorist. I think its better to not do the same to whites. I think whites reading this would just feel more separated or foreign from us and it just fuels more of this type of tragedy you know ? In truth this guy was a Nazi terrorist, as Isis would be an Isis terrorist and they are of white or middle eastern origin . Just a matter of wording and consideration of those who are white or partially identify as white (like myself) would feel. Peace

Is this propaganda? https://www.amnesty.org/en/get-involved/take-action/Iran-free-nasrin-satoudeh-now/?fbclid=IwAR2gf2GundeFqc9Qbt-iyF92yePD87O911T298P94fBCOaXFIzmf59Bm4fI Does anyone know or have more information on this that is inside ? Can anything a human rights lawyer does, justify sentence of 38 years and that many lashes?

Then Perhaps there's no material difference between us. All things manifest is God's will. Me being me you being you and being different. Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) said: وَأَنْزَلْنَآ إِلَيْكَ الْكِتٰبَ بِالْحَقِّ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ مِنَ الْكِتٰبِ وَمُهَيْمِنًا عَلَيْهِ ۖ فَاحْكُمْ بَيْنَهُمْ بِمَآ أَنْزَلَ اللَّهُ ۖ وَلَا تَتَّبِعْ أَهْوَآءَهُمْ عَمَّا جَآءَكَ مِنَ الْحَقِّ ۚ لِكُلٍّ جَعَلْنَا مِنْكُمْ شِرْعَةً وَمِنْهَاجًا ۚ وَلَوْ شَآءَ اللَّهُ لَجَعَلَكُمْ أُمَّةً وٰحِدَةً وَلٰكِنْ لِّيَبْلُوَكُمْ فِى مَآ ءَاتٰىكُمْ ۖ فَاسْتَبِقُوا الْخَيْرٰتِ ۚ إِلَى اللَّهِ مَرْجِعُكُمْ جَمِيعًا فَيُنَبِّئُكُمْ بِمَا كُنْتُمْ فِيهِ تَخْتَلِفُونَ "And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ." (QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 48) * Via Qur'an English http://Qur'an-en.com

I think we're on two wavelengths. Theres a distinction, very subtle but important distinction when I say the bible in its current form and Torah is courrupted, which does NOT mean the original message in those books are corrupted .... what was revealed in the past is what was revealed in its form and it can’t change (this can get pretty philosophical). The bible and torah somewhere in existence is unchanged because its Gods words.., but on this planet in its current state it appears not, according to Qur'an. I think you're saying how could it be that they (bible and torah etc) were corrupted... referring to the current states as they are now.. I would argue that they're not corrupted and are unchanging but those true states are not readily visible to us.. someone changed something on paper that was the written book but thats not the same as changing the original book. The same reasoning ripping or burning or changing words in a physical copy Qur'an isnt actually harming it. Its formless.. Because one cannot damage what is God's. We should ponder.. The Qur'an as it is now perhaps IS the continuation or reiteration (not repetition) of the message God sent to Earth (confirming what was revealed before) as it was said in Qur'an it is for mankind, all of Jews Christians pagans whomever. Is it not arguable that we can say message of Bible and Torah ARE preserved because we have the Qur'an? Are they really lost to us? Maybe, maybe not... By that same token you have "credible" hadith where Muhammad SAW judged Jews according to their book accompanied by a learned one of their ranks. Why would Muhammad SAW judge between them corrupted texts? Is it because Qur'an says judge by only what God has sent down ? Perhaps Muhammads knowledge of the Qur'an when contemplating the texts from Torah and a rabbi were enough to purify the falsehoods and illuminate the true peices of Torah? Its very interesting to ponder about this. At the moment...I don’t necessarily reject all hadith but im extremely wary of them. I understand the concept of imamat and its critically in preserving Islam through lineage of Ahlul Bayt, the message in your perceptions but im afraid I don’t have enough evidence to confirm if that was the case. I never met Muhammad SAW, his family scarcely mentiond on Qur'an contrasted against others named explicitly. The way you know him and his family are through hadith and other stories/records. .. Maybe thats what separates us. But that's okay. I don’t think or beleive you guys are wrong really for it, especially in sincerity for all I know I damn well could be wrong. My belief in Qur'an as being word of God doesn't have anything to do with the hadith and knowledge of Muhammad as infallible compassionate trustworthy person (which probably contrasts against Sunnis and Shia alike). You see ahlyl bayt preserving message ... I see Allah preserving message perhaps through them. Its no difference to me really . My belief and faith comes from just reading the words and seeing them. I read in Qur'an about Muhammad SAW, and know the great person he was from it. When hearing the words of Qur'an im filled with belief which the same can be said for most of us. But thats the extent of my connection. But we both beleive in this book one way or another, that is something we do share. I don’t feel its significant to consider you different than me..though you and those who call themsleves Sunnis probably will.

As far as I am aware the Torah and the Bible do not have passages contained within it that said that we are its guardian and we will preserve it. I'm also not aware of any verses in those books that claimed that it has no contradictions in that they are infallible. In fact most of the Bible as we know it today are Hadith of disciples. I think it's better to say perhaps I don't have the Bible and the Torah with me really. So I can't claim if I know they were supposed to be infallible or not, I know from Qur'an The Mention Of The Bible and the Torah when it came down and in the Qur'an it did not mention that those books were supposed to be fallible or not. Or whether they would be preserved by men. ( that I know right now) As someone who may not be privy to the Qur'an or religion before and then picks this book up, and then it says that it has no contradiction ... it would be on them to test that claim. The next step is ask myself do I feel belief when I read these words.. Perhaps some of gods message is in the current states of Bible and Torah, but as they're riddled with contradictions, its safe to conclude the whole of those texts as they stand now did not come from an infallible being. As for your first question about who "we" is, I have gathered that it is the author of the book, Allah. The book attests that Allah has sent down the book.

God does. إِنَّا نَحْنُ نَزَّلْنَا الذِّكْرَ وَإِنَّا لَهُ ۥ لَحٰفِظُونَ "Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian." (QS. Al-Hijr 15: Verse 9) Why guard a book if its insufficient for guidance? And it will never change: إِنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا بِالذِّكْرِ لَمَّا جَآءَهُمْ ۖ وَإِنَّهُ ۥ لَكِتٰبٌ عَزِيزٌ "Indeed, those who disbelieve in the message after it has come to them... And indeed, it is a mighty Book." (QS. Fussilat 41: Verse 41) لَّا يَأْتِيهِ الْبٰطِلُ مِنۢ بَيْنِ يَدَيْهِ وَلَا مِنْ خَلْفِهِۦ ۖ تَنْزِيلٌ مِّنْ حَكِيمٍ حَمِيدٍ "Falsehood cannot approach it from before it or from behind it; [it is] a revelation from a [Lord who is] Wise and Praiseworthy." (QS. Fussilat 41: Verse 42) People can't preserve books as time demonstrates in Bible and Torah of corruptions. The cognitive resonance in our idea is to look for contradiction where it can't be found. I couldn't find any to date in Qur'an. Its claims hold up. Hadith is another story and im still conflicted. I don’t think rejecting/denouncing those who follow it, as right thing to do as I don’t know if im even right. I think what matters is we don’t divide. These verses keep me pondering: [Qur'an 6:114-115] Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt. The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient. [Qur'an 10:37] This Qur'an could not possibly be authored by other than God. It confirms all previous messages, and provides a fully detailed scripture. It is infallible, for it comes from the Lord of the universe. If I find such criteria of contradiction, I would reject the Qur'an. Based off the assumption anything mankind inspired and preserved is prone to contradiction and inconsistency , and an infallible being as God wouldn't have that susceptibility. I find cognitive dissonance in asserting a human being as infallible off texts and records , recorded, stored, collected and recited by man, then using that logic to self perpetuate the frames and construction of majority of the religion... then shape the meaning of the Qur'an (purported and believed as not man made) entirely from those records (man made and preserved). But that's me. It boils down to belief. End of the day we all believe in this book.

Peoples capacity for fear of the unknown far outweigh everything else, I'm afraid :(. I don’t think this is just an American or western problem but a global issue.. if anything an argument can be made westerners today are closer to cohabitate with those of differing ideologies. In an ideal world perhaps it could be as you say. Half the reason this is getting attention is because a journalist made it out to these camps and the world is now looking these girls with a microscope... No one squawked over the 100-200 others who returned from ISIS. Where are they, what are they up to? Once someone is in control the magnifying glass then they can move the world.

Well they can either be executed for treason and inciting terrorism and attacks on US/United Kingdom civilians, which is the legal punishment in the US not sure for United Kingdom, or imprisoned for life and taxpayers pay for their livelihood which I'm almost certain very few will opt for. It's a vexing question to ask what should be done with these people. One should also ask what are the chances these people can be rehabilitated or reformed? I don't know but it doesn't seem anyone has had real success in developing a program to reform such people so how can we re-integrate them? How culpable is someone who is the result of brainwashing activity? Sure you can make a case to take their kids and hope whatever life they'll have is better than staying with their banned mothers, but as for their mothers.. I don't think there's a very clear way to deal with them. Unfortunately the way the world is we can't make those who have accountability for the situation in the Middle East take responsibility, and we cannot expect them to reason either. Worst of it is, those who died or suffered potentially in some way linked to these women, where is their say in what to do with them?

This.... sounds dubious, highly likely it is fabricated. Its not consistent ... in too many ways I can imagine.

That's where I am. I wish we can evolve to a point where a Muslim praying on a turbah or folding thier hands need not grab anyone's attention. If we were truly undivided We wouldn't care about these differences and treat each other the same. ...But people need affirmation by the majority ... need to constantly rationalize their behaviors, beleifs and perhaps often walk an extra mile by relegating someone else's Islamic status as inferior to theirs so they can sleep at night. There's wisdom in the Qur'an when it says, وَلَا تَكُونُوا كَالَّتِى نَقَضَتْ غَزْلَهَا مِنۢ بَعْدِ قُوَّةٍ أَنْكٰثًا تَتَّخِذُونَ أَيْمٰنَكُمْ دَخَلًۢا بَيْنَكُمْ أَنْ تَونَ أُمَّةٌ هِىَ أَرْبٰى مِنْ أُمَّةٍ ۚ إِنَّمَا يَبْلُوكُمُ اللَّهُ بِهِۦ ۚ وَلَيُبَيِّنَنَّ لَكُمْ يَوْمَ الْقِيٰمَةِ مَا كُنْتُمْ فِيهِ تَخْتَلِفُونَ "And do not be like she who untwisted her spun thread after it was strong [by] taking your oaths as [means of] deceit between you because one community is more plentiful [in number or wealth] than another community. Allah only tries you thereby. And He will surely make clear to you on the Day of Resurrection that over which you used to differ." (QS. An-Nahl 16: Verse 92) Or قُلِ اللَّهُمَّ فَاطِرَ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَالْأَرْضِ عٰلِمَ الْغَيْبِ وَالشَّهٰدَةِ أَنْتَ تَحْكُمُ بَيْنَ عِبَادِكَ فِى مَا كَانُوا فِيهِ يَخْتَلِفُونَ "Say, O Allah, Creator of the heavens and the Earth, Knower of the unseen and the witnessed, You will judge between your servants concerning that over which they used to differ." (QS. Az-Zumar 39: Verse 46)

Egregious failure on her family's part in raising her, especially for the daughter of a diplomat. She called for death of innocent civilians, In my eyes she was renounced Islam, her citizenship and can't be trusted. Brain washing is a sad reality, but how do we know the extent of her crimes? She claimed no regrets so preponderance of benefit of the doubt on her is far out the window.

Same here i know someone who had that happen.