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you're 100%. none of it would be the true religion of God good on you for invoking you're natural inclinations and rejecting the malarkey to me that makes you a Muslim. of a greater islam transcendent of language and cultural constraints. All of these are traits the Quran lauds, reasonability, and accepting what is good and rejecting what's bad. Unfortunately the quran as translated today is completely wrong. Sunni, Shia whoever. its Absurd. absolutely absurd that contemporary scholars who you'd think exercise the due diligence in translating the book would have a basic understanding in language mutations/morphology. But they haven't. its gut wrenching how many notable sunni even shia scholars translate the quran but have glaring contradictions between them even though they're accepted by the scholarly consensus.. most of which not even having the mastery of English needed to extrapolate the raw ideas being expressed. it should be evidence enough that the Quran as you think you know it, isn't even what you think it is.

I'm not a shia or a sunni. ...so my perspective of Islam is markedly different than theirs understandably. Based on my understanding of the content presented in the Quran, its nor relevant whether or not you believe in it as a message from a "creator", nor that is it necessary that guidance/morality is derived in this book only or a belief. therefore bringing forward the idea that a creator could just make its existence known/ubiquitous and will the human existence into perfect balance... is largely antithetical ... and ignorant to the reality around us. It also destroys the concept of "freewill". though i would argue prophethood isn't as absurd.. though when associating the traditional İslami narrative To it..yes it becomes as as such in my view. Asserting the creators presence id say disrupts the concept of freewill because it would change behavior/thinking and traits of most people with "knowing" about existence of a creator. we should be free to.ponder it and not be penalized if we ever reached a conclusion. the narrative of the Quran establishes in its early chapters that the book is a message for mankind, but not an order. rather its intended towards those who have an "awareness" of God and this book will benefit those who have those inclinations. and it will NOT benefit those without those inclinations. (in other words indoctrination of religion into children is fundamentally wrong in the Quran implicitly, which I'm going to anger many Muslims by saying this). Ergo Quran is aligned in its assertions as an intended to guide/Aid those who have a sense/perception in a creator. however the heck you quantify that. implying those without awareness or consciousness of "God", don't need this book. it won't serve as a guide. they're better off without it. This means those who aren't believers in God are not necessarily morally bankrupt or contemptible. people are quite able to derive morality within their own faculties. they do NOT meet the definition of "Kafir". for clarification... I reject all Hadith in regards to religious jurisprudence/matters. I consider the Quran an ongoing archaeological project at this stage of my life. as such please bear in mind, I find that fundamentally.. the story of Miraj, . donkey riding to Jerusalem on magical donkey, etc. etc. are all asenine and unsubstantiated... along with many of the mainstream Islamic narratives. EDIT: i wasn't clear but if islam as presented in the OP, is as what folks beleive it, I'm in agreement. it is completely backwards.

True. Though I never interpreted this as excelling over other prophets in terms of importance or significance/personal hierarchy...but rather rank/station in life. For example Suleiman/Dawood pbu them, were Kings while, Isa, Muhammad, pbu them were shepherds/merchant/...simple humble roles. Allah specifically says "We caused.." in other words through NO merit of these prophes' own did they achieve what they have in rank/role. Then Allah presents the example of Isa with being provided the Spirit/Ruh Qudsi to him, important miracles yet those endowments did not cause the people to follow Isa despite Allah causing his rank/station/exalting of gifts over other prophets... the people still inevitably fought and differed with one another and did not follow Isa... I think it's rather important we acknowledge this distinction because the quran says beleivers shall make no distinction between these men, in that Allah causing some to have different attributes or stations/ranks does not change anything about the prophets. . they are still human.. whom Allah bestowed upon these attributes and without those attributes they are just plain men. those attributes are mutually exclusive events to their character, behavior, and being/existence. it didn't define them. again, for emphasis I interpreted these to mean some prophets excel in abilities/stations in life...was through Allah SAW and it never made them more special than one another.. Otherwise there is contradiction in Quran. and there can't as such.

Salam bro, It seems this is quite insufficient. Many are offspring of Ibrahim. How do you connect only imams to this? The hadith you mentioned where Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) is Afzal to other prophets contradicts Quran in many places. ءَامَنَ الرَّسُولُ بِمَآ أُنْزِلَ إِلَيْهِ مِنْ رَّبِّهِۦ وَالْمُؤْمِنُونَ  ۚ كُلٌّ ءَامَنَ بِاللَّهِ وَمَلٰٓئِكَتِهِۦ وَكُتُبِهِۦ وَرُسُلِهِۦ لَا نُفَرِّقُ بَيْنَ أَحَدٍ مِّنْ رُّسُلِهِۦ  ۚ وَقَالُوا سَمِعْنَا وَأَطَعْنَا  ۖ غُفْرَانَكَ رَبَّنَا وَإِلَيْكَ الْمَصِيرُ "The Messenger has believed in what was revealed to him from his Lord, and [so have] the believers. All of them have believed in Allah and His angels and His books and His messengers, [saying], "We make no distinction between any of His messengers." And they say, "We hear and we obey. [We seek] Your forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the [final] destination."" (QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 285) قُولُوٓا ءَامَنَّا بِاللَّهِ وَمَآ أُنْزِلَ إِلَيْنَا وَمَآ أُنْزِلَ إِلٰىٓ إِبْرٰهِـۧمَ وَإِسْمٰعِيلَ وَإِسْحٰقَ وَيَعْقُوبَ وَالْأَسْبَاطِ وَمَآ أُوتِىَ مُوسٰى وَعِيسٰى وَمَآ أُوتِىَ النَّبِيُّونَ مِنْ رَّبِّهِمْ لَا نُفَرِّقُ بَيْنَ أَحَدٍ مِّنْهُمْ وَنَحْنُ لَهُۥ مُسْلِمُونَ "Say, [O believers], "We have believed in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."" (QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 136) قُلْ ءَامَنَّا بِاللَّهِ وَمَآ أُنْزِلَ عَلَيْنَا وَمَآ أُنْزِلَ عَلٰىٓ إِبْرٰهِيمَ وَإِسْمٰعِيلَ وَإِسْحٰقَ وَيَعْقُوبَ وَالْأَسْبَاطِ وَمَآ أُوتِىَ مُوسٰى وَعِيسٰى وَالنَّبِيُّونَ مِنْ رَّبِّهِمْ لَا نُفَرِّقُ بَيْنَ أَحَدٍ مِّنْهُمْ وَنَحْنُ لَهُۥ مُسْلِمُو "Say, "We have believed in Allah and in what was revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Descendants, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus and to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [submitting] to Him." (QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 84) If there are no distinctions for believers to make between messengers, then there's no distinction to make of their offspring, and that would include imams.

Most likely was. Iran is not foolish, they know their position as well as the US. It's now being reported that there were no casualties for the Americans and that the base was given orders to evacuate the strike. It seems Iranian leadership took the high road and best compromise. Appease outraged folks but not seeking war. Very commendable.

There can't be a war without a skilled war general. Likely no retaliation. There are no resources for it nor can the people of Iran tolerate it. This strike was a means of dampening influence by proxy war of Iran. Not to cause a war, so in all likelihood it's not going to happen. What's expected is more Western influence on middle eastern affairs therefore more control.

Our Prophet was conceived under a full moon, it is nonesense. No one, not even the Imam would comprehend this because it is not authentic. Knowing birth times can make it easy aproximate the highest probable 4 day window of conception , with maximum threshold of 6 day window. Lunar calculations with today's advances in physics, models، and overall mathematics make it accurate well beyond 99.5% Accuracy thresholds. The greatest minds/people were conceived statistically/probably on both full moons and none alike, and the worst minds and people in equal proportions after normalizing proportions. "not referring to anything you can't accept or comprehend as 'nonsense made up Hadith" I have an obligation not to do this with the Qur'an. NO such obligation exists for one of hundreds of thousands hadith's floating around. The modern world has uncovered causes with studies and evidence the causes of birth defects and miscarriages and their mitigation. The causes are real and should be emphasized, smoking, drinking genetic issues, active infections etc. This garbage Hadith puts us all back into Jahil and ignorance, ignoring real issues that are preventable with using sound and evidence backed recourse to minimize such outcomes like miscarriage and birth defects. It diminishes real progress and generates negative impact with REAL consequences. So please excuse my tone of disgust when reconciling this so called Hadith.

You have a brain , and reasoning. Grade it yourself. You don't need me or anyone else to do it. The evidence is there. The Imam never said such garbage because he is not an idiot. His ancestor and our Prophet was Highly likely conceived under a full moon. If you know/believe the Prophet's birthdate is April 22, 571 AD in the Gregorian calendar. Then the most probable conception window is July 28-August 1 570 , add less likely days +- 2 days around those bounds. July 28-August 1 570 , hold a full moon or at least 90% full moon, with less likely days at 80%+

If Hitler was conceived under a full moon and millions others are too, there still is no correlation. There are plenty of birth statistics for you to access and simply reason the nonesense of the made up Hadith. The majority of the planet is born outside those time windows, and there's still a higher ratio of criminals born in that window... So ask how many conceived not on full moon are psychotic, the answer? Many.

Then who is to blame to reflect their behavior and influence? The men who enforced the laws, and unfairly punish women. Let's be honest, Islamic"authorities" have not been the kindest lawmakers, jurors over women. What incentive do women have to follow the religious rules of those who've unfairly treated them? Let's not kid ourselves and pretend women have not and are not being suppressed now and resort to extreme measures to protect themselves in an "shariah enforced" court in all aspects of life. If you're so afraid of them emulating "Western" traditions over eastern why not look and see what the west had that the east doesnt? Probably something far more Islamic than the east though not in name , which then relates to freedom, liberty, that feeling we all want. With that.. Now it's easy conflating Western culture, social, trends, etc with those sentiments. Seems very attractive to try and copy.. can you blame anyone?

What do we know about Deen anyway? I feel the same when I hear anyone preach to anyone about what the "Islamic" way is. Truth is, Muslim or not there exists a spectrum of people who will act or behave the way they do regardless of their "deen", Western or eastern, black or white. The best thing we can do is curb our frustration and smile and accept people and wish the same from them. If someone is running around preaching something you disagree with as being right or wrong and you disagree, have a healthy conversation with mutual respect. If you can't, or the conversation devovles into hostility....walk away.

77:1 doesn't send messengers in a gust? I'm not sure if the question is relevant unless there is only ever one consistent use for these words for objects

We have subtle but different interpretations. A command from us we are the senders (of the book not apostles in my interpretation ) But... I don't know if "it" necesarily means whole book. If someone recites or is reciting a verse, it's appropriate to say they are reciting Qur'an, it is also appropriate to say theyre rwitig a specific chapter of Qur'an.. you know what I mean ? Well either way I'm open to it meaning it could have been the whole book. But I stand by that if that was the case... the Prophet did not memorize or absorb it all that night.

Well I'm not entirely opposed. I reasoned it's either revealed only in stages to Muhammad or ummah, or revealed all on night of al qadr and revealed again in stages but not absorbed all by Muhammad that night. I cannot find absolutely explicit detail concerning amount revealed on laylatulqadr. "Indeed we are sending" indicates present tense not past tense (sent). From chapter 44, so I lean towards only revealed in stages during Muhammad's life.

We interpret these different brother. I would also include verse 5. The plain word by word translation : 44: 2-5 ----------- By the book, the clear Indeed We revealed it in a night blessed Indeed We are warning Therein is made distinct every affair wise a command from us Indeed We are sending ******* ----------- I have pondered over this before...... I think I've reasoned it was possible but not likely that it was all revealed all in one night, (which is not really a conclusio) . But if so it was not absorbed completely. Ill show you why I think as such. Firstly I'm not seeing direct statement here ..that it was all revealed in one night. It begins by saying by the " Book , the clear !" Like your translation I see that as swearing by it. Indeed we revealed it on a blessed night (can mean parts or all of it) Indeed We are warning ***Therein is made distinct every affair wise a command from us Indeed We are sending *** I read this as a part of completing the first statement, " I swear by the clear book that was revealed on blessed night " that in the Book is every wise affair/command made distinct . Simply : Guidance for all affairs distinct, which are also a command (to obey ).... Then... "Indeed we are sending" Why Is it not "indeed we have sent ?" Why not "indeed we have warned?" My only conclusion could be the qurans existence was revealed to Muhammad, with the initial verses he recieved. The verses continue to be sent and continue to be as warning. The Qur'an/book preexisted Muhammad, but Muhammad had no knowledge of it per other Qur'an verses. Along with other verses mentioned here. If Muhammad was for example, revealed the Qur'an before he was born or when he was born, the statement that "it was not known to me " becomes redundant and unnecessary. So why did Allah command him to say that ? Therefore , these reasons are sufficient to me that Qur'an was not entirely revealed to Muhammad until the final verse towards end of 23 years.