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In the Name of God بسم الله

surfinjo

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  1. You seem to have compiled an impressive list of restrictions on God. God can do anything He wants.
  2. God must have a sense of humour to have created the likes of you and me.
  3. The internet is a wonderful resource for information. But it goes without saying that its sources need to be checked and assessed from there. For matters of religion I personally try to look at sites put up by those who accept the religion concerned. If you check the front page it makes it clear that this is some sort of site dedicated to converting Jews to whatever. I haven't looked through the site, other than that, so I really can't say if it is Christian or just one of those American groups who claim to be Christian as a means of spreading the Gospel according to George Washington. As Ariella suggests, anything in there isn't really worth bothering about.
  4. Are you suggesting that sex and excretion are the same as humour? One is a need. The second a necessity. Both are common, one way or another, to all living things. (But I wouldn't say either are flawed.) Humour isn't any of these.
  5. I completely understand your position. However my personal take on this is that God has a sense of humour. He created it in the first place. Since this is one of the features that separates us from animals then I think we can be pretty sure He knew what he was doing when he gave it to us. I have worked with people who suffer severe mental handicap, (Called Learning Difficulties now). Even those with severe limitations on their intelligence have a sense of humour. This clearly indicates that this is one of the distinctions that God granted to humans. Some animal seem to have a rudimentary sense of humour, but close examination of their psychology suggests they are acting on other traits. Humour for its own sake is a very human characteristic. The point about humour such as you mention is that it seeks to poke fun as those aspects which we tend to take for granted. In that way it forces us to think about these concepts. The idea of Jesus and Moses shooting Romans is ridiculous for so many reasons. If this has a negative effect on some people it is because those people were already disillusioned. In my experience the biggest problem most people have with any religious practise is that they perceive it to be an excuse to kill and oppress those weaker than ourselves. The three cartoons mentioned are not intended for Children. The Simpsons is perhaps directed at old children but the other 2 are very adult. Do you really think the sort of parent who lets their children see these are going to be supervising what else they do?
  6. Taking your first point. A contradiction is when statement makes a point and another statement makes a different point which denies the first. The point being made here is that Christ has risen. There are differences is the numbers of people present when the event is first discovered but these are not contradictions simply different accounts, written by different people, for different audiences and at different times. But the point that Christ has risen is the substantive. There is no contradiction. As you your second point. I'm very pleased to read your statement of your position. To your third point. It is sad that you seek to judge when you clearly have no comprehension. I appreciate that you have some bitter experiences with your dealing with some people. I'm sure we all have similar problems. But your experiences with a few people should not be taken as indicative of everyone. There is no doctrine in any Christian group that I am aware of, that makes these claims. We are all accountable for our actions and indeed, our thoughts. But we are personally accountable to God alone. Some religious leaders, from many faiths, including those identifying as Christian, those identifying as Jews, those identifying as Muslim and those identifying as many others, who claim to have authority over our relationship with God seek to impose their judgements over us apparently on behalf of God. This is forbidden by the third commandment as clarified by Jesus. The concept of atonement must be a personal matter between the individual and God. It is for no man to judge that any atonement is necessary, to impose any penalty by way of atonement nor to supervise the fulfilment of an atonement. The teachings of Jesus are quite clear. We are answerable to God alone. All of us.
  7. Christian apologists??? Wow. Nice turn of phrase. Now, why don't you just get to the point? (Or ask those who are telling you what to say if they will be so kind as to permit you to do so.)
  8. Most of it is. I doubt there are any mistranslations. It is a favourite theme of Muslims to say this. I suppose it makes it easier for their leaders to stop them reading the will of God. Who Jesus was and is, is verified to those that accept His teachings. Those who accept those teachings and submit themselves to the will of God, understand.
  9. I think your question has already been answered. Perhaps not the answer you were hoping for. But, sadly, we are bound by honesty so it's all we can give. :!!!:
  10. To the first point, it matters not. If people don't want to listen then I'm happy to leave. I've been chucked out of better forums than this. :D To the second. My faith is all I need. I'm not permitted to undermine faith. Nothing on this Earth will make me do so. But your points are very valid none-the-less.
  11. All of those points are certainly correct. That is the point. The Commandments were give for all mankind. It was the leaders of those who followed Moses, who lacking faith, chose to adapt the commandments and add greatly to them in order to establish their authority and an insular aggressive nation. No leaders were appointed or suggested by God when He gave the 10 Commandments. 1 Don't worship any other god 2 Don't worship any idol 3 Don't abuse the name of God 4 Rest one day in seven 5 Honor your father and mother 6 Don't kill 7 Don't commit adultery 8 Don't steal 9 Don't lie about other people 10 Don't covet others goods or relationships.
  12. Very childish yonus. I won't rise to criticising your faith.
  13. No, that's not true. There are differences between the Gospels. These are because they were written by different people and were attempting to record different things. Matthew, for example, concentrates upon Jesus as the messenger to the Israelites. If you know of contradictions in the Gospels then say what you think they are. God gave His Commandments to Moses for the people who followed him to obey. They were suppose to set an example for the world. Instead the leaders set up an exclusive political and religious institution. That is Judaism. Jesus was sent to correct that. God does not favour people because they happen to have been born into a particular nation or a particular exclusive religion. Such a notion is a nonsense. We all have to live with the consequences of our actions. But continually harping on about about how sad your people' history is is tiresome.
  14. It isn't possible to prove anything to an atheist because by definition, he's already made up his mind.
  15. He did indeed. The entire theme of the Gospel of Matthew is Jesus attempting to teach the People of Israel what their actual charge from God, given by Moses is. And if you follow to the end of that book, shortly before Jesus is taken prisoner, you will discover what Jesus decided to do about the failure of the Israelites to have faith. But you have chosen to take one part out of context. I made no such claim. I never denied the verse was in the Bible. I simply asked you to cite it. I have never referred to any of Paul's teachings. I have and do, only concentrate upon the actual teachings of Jesus. The problem of context is particularly difficult in the case of Paul. His was a much large audience than Jesus had. He was teaching cultures all over the Mediterranean area. Jesus taught us that we must accept local laws and customs where these don't conflict with God's law. Our lives are our own to do as we wish provided we submit to the truth and authority of the Commandments. In one case, for example, he made it clear that women must have their heads covered and be silent in Church. This is sometimes taken as a general injunction to all women. In reality, it was directed at one particular community to deal with their specific local culture and customs. But the whole point of a narrative is that it has to be read in its entirety. Not have bits selected as definitive to suit individual convienence.
  16. Oh dear. Citing verses out of context again? This is common for Muslims and understandable since their texts are written to be cited in this way. But for a Jew, (or a former one at least), to do this is complete hypocrisy. Most of the books of the Bible are narratives. Citing bits from complex stories that suit your purpose is suggestive of desperation.
  17. Oh, wait a minute. I've just found a version of the Quran. Not the version Muslims read with black letters. But the green lettered one. It clearly says all Muslims will do 40 hours of unpaid work for Christians every week. And wait still, because I've just found a copy of the Torah. Not the black lettered one the Jews read, but the Orange lettered one. It clearly says all Jews will prostrate themselves to Christians whenever they meet them and offer their daughters for un paid domestic service. I shall expect all of you to report to me first thing Monday morning.
  18. Are you serious? Have you ever read the Gospels? I have cited the words of Jesus repeatedly on here. In other words, you have some text passing off as a Bible and you're quoting from that. Give me a break.
  19. Most of the books in the Bible are narratives. Some people do indeed claim to accept the entire Bible as the literal word of God. But generally these people are rather selective in their knowledge of what it contains. Moses was given the 10 Commandments for all mankind. His successors, seeking to build a nation out of the huge numbers of peoples from so many different backgrounds, lacked faith and chose to adapt the instructions of God with their own additions to create something very different. The people who followed Moses were indeed chosen. Chosen to deliver the 10 Commandments to the people of the world. What resulted was an aggressive, insular nation which constantly fought and killed almost anyone. Their leaders made many claims about god's wishes which contradicted His Commandments. This was a nation built upon a heritage of supposed suffering. The result was that they continued to suffer. If they had followed God's will their lives would have been very different, as would all our lives. Even today, the people who call themselves Jews continue living with their suffering heritage. Though now, that suffering is mainly directed at the events of WW2. The result is the mass murders, especially in Palestine, Lebanon and increasing revulsion in much of the world. Jesus was sent to correct this. He told us the truth of God's Commandments. He told us that what matters is what is in our hearts. He told us that our worship of God is a continuing thing, not something that we do once a week. He told us that God's will for us is to obey His Commandments and live our lives according to our conscience. He told us our relationship with God is personal and private much like our relationship with our own parents.
  20. Not just Paul. That was the teaching of Jesus Himself, as recorded in the Gospels.
  21. The inclusion of the Old testament is to provide background context, especially the 10 Commandments.
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