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  1. What is so screwy about referencing a number of links to the same story. Are you attempting to discredit me simply because I asked an awkward question? Is it not permissable to question the actions of an organisation initiated by Khomeini? Or do you simply have a problem answering questions?
  2. Do you have to distort points to suit your purpose? I cited the report. I linked to the Tehran Times. I asked if such reports can give the impression that Iran is dominated by backwards fools. Your claim that the Tehran Times doesn't speak for the Islamic Propagation Organisation is specious since it is the official voice. Moreover, the IPO was established by Khomeini to be independant of government influence. But its voice is influential, of that there can be little doubt. Does such reporting from such an influential organisation paint a picture of Iran as somewhere that cannot be trusted with advanced technology? The report was also cited in a number of other outlets: Arabian Business.com Sydney Morning Herald The Australian Fox News The Age.com France 24 Yahoo
  3. Is this the Islamic Propagation Organisation The Islamic propagation organization was established on June. 21, 1981 the instruction of the late Imam Khomeini the leader o the Islamic revolution and later on the Islamic Consultative Assembly (Majlis) described the status of the organization as a public non-governmental establishment. In the letter sent by Imam Khomeini to Ayatollah Jannati instructing him to set up the organization, the main objective of Islamic propagation had been described as commending the good and prohibiting the evil. If so, then even described as a non-governmental organisation, it would appear to be somewhat more significant, not to say influential than you seem prepared to admit.
  4. I came here looking for the facts. I was illustrating the realities of what is happening. It would have been more appropriate if you had simply given the facts to begin with. But I suppose, like your kind generally, you don't even fart without your special guru, sorry cleric, saying it is haram. It's people like me who are trying to save your sorry asses from forces that you cannot even begin to comprehend. You can wander around with your sanctimonious head in the sand and convince yourself that anyone who doesn't follow your cleric's dogma is not worth saving anyway. But I take the position that all life is sacred.
  5. My facts are what I am attempting to get at. Are you saying that the Tehran Times is a fraud and the statement in its About Us page is also a fraud? This seems quite a serious matter really.
  6. No. This paper is the Iranian government's media for portraying itself to the English speaking world. These are uncertain times for Iran. It is faced with two of the most powerful and fanatical foes in the history of the world. Iran desperately needs as many friends as it can get. To allow itself to be portrayed in its official media as a nation that arrests animals, therefore holding animals culpable for for their actions, makes Iran look like a backward, primitive culture that can no more be trusted with advanced technology than a child can with matches. What is especially sad here is the inability of any of you to seemingly comprehend just how serious the situation is and how much potential trouble all of Iran is facing. I and I believe most people in western Europe do not believe Bush is an Idiot. Bush and Blair are liars, mass murderers, profiteers and war criminals. To dismiss Bush as an idiot is to allow an excuse for his despicable and disgraceful acts.
  7. Using pigeons for espionage is nothing new. If some has fitted these birds with cameras or such then it is probably not surprising. If these birds have been captured then all well and good. There is certainly nothing wrong or surprising about any government producing a foreign language news paper to put forward its point of view. The issue here is that an English language news paper, set up to put the Iranian point of view, run by the Iranian government, is clearly so badly run that it employs people who use such inappropriate terminologies that make Iran a laughing stock. And a dangerous laughing stock if it has access to nuclear technology. We could almost assume that the writer used electronic translation to create the English text. What sort of idiots are running Iran that someone so incompetent can be put in charge of such an important post as editing the Tehran Times who can't speak English and lacks the humility to allow someone who can to do the job? Was the Editor appointed because of his connections? This comes not so very long after some other idiot in Iran distributed a translation of one of the Iranian President's speeches to imply that he wanted to see the destruction of Israel and all the people in it. I have to say, I am utterly astonished that, at a time when the US/Israel are attempting to find any excuse to attack Iran, causing the deaths of millions of decent innocent people, that the Iranian government is so utterly incompetent and clearly corrupt that it allows such important information outlets to be run by utter idiots. There is something very seriously wrong in the Iranian government. It is facing dangerous foes and its friends are being made to look like utter fools. If Iran is attacked, the government of Iran will have a heavy culpability for every single death. But sadly, I suppose, those of you actually living in Iran don't have the same freedom as I enjoy to criticise yours or any other government. Actually, it's about the implications of Iran being apparently run by idiots and the failure of anyone on this board to see the real implications here. And please, let's not get into a round of finger pointing at the idiots who run other countries. Other countries are not currently faced with attack and utter destruction by two of the most powerful military forces in the history of the world.
  8. A Mechanical bird??? Are you suggesting that Iran would hold a machine culpable for its actions? :wacko:
  9. Nice try. I was wondering when a claim of mistranslation would pop up. The article was written in an Iranian English Language newspaper. Their stated aim is to reach an audience that reads English. If you're going to fall back on the old 'mistranslation' excuse then almost anything can be excused. But wait, please don't be offended by anything I have said, it's all a mistranslation!!!!! I have to say that I have always taken the line that Iran should be given maximum leaway. But we would take matches away form a child. I can't in all conscience disagree with the west's intention of removing nuclear capability from a country that thinks birds can be culpable for their actions.
  10. Al of these statements make perfect sense in the spirit of the paranoia that comes with military obsecession. But none deal with the issue of Arresting an Animal. So, the question remains. Does Iran arrest animals. Does Iran believe that an animal can have the same conscience as a human? To be quite honest, I was expecting a straight forward response here. Either a claim that the Tehran Times is not what it claims, or even the old faithful, a mistranslation. But it seems that Iran does indeed arrest animals. Hopefully these creatures get a decent trial. But on a more serious note, if the Iranians do indeed believe that an animal can have personal culpibility then perhaps Bush was right, after all, that Iranians are really not nearly developed enough to take responsibility for such a dangerous technology as nuclear power.
  11. This story, in a very sensationalist UK newspaper was brought to may attention: Iran Arrests Pigeons spying on Nuclear facility I immediately responded that the story is utter tosh. I know for fact that Iran is an advanced industrial state with an intellectual tradition dating centuries. Then this link was brought to my attention: Iran busts spy pigeons near Nuclear site My first reaction was that this Tehran Times is a silly fraud. But the About Us page claims: Ayatollah Seyyed Mohammad Beheshti realized the need and the English-language Tehran Times was born concurrently with the revolution. The daily’s general policy was based on Ayatollah Beheshti’s statement: “The Tehran Times is not the newspaper of the government; it must be a loud voice of the Islamic Revolution and the loudspeaker of the oppressed people of the world.” Is Iran really arresting birds? :!!!: Have any animals been arrested for relations outside marriage? :!!!: Do these animals have a fair trial? :!!!: Are they permitted to speak in their own defence? :!!!: I apologise of these questions seem to mock Iran or Iranian people. But if Iran is really arresting birds for spying then perhaps it isn't as intelligently led as I supposed.
  12. It seems this issue won't go away. Please look at this Wikipedia entry I am raising this issue as the entry and the quotation has become a matter for discusion on a popular political discussion forum.
  13. I posted a reply to this topic. It was the second reply. It put exactly the same points to Muslims as you have put here, to Christians. The points I made were references to post in this forum. That post has been deleted. I suppose re-inventing your religious traditions and even composing new quotations from your prophet isn't something you like being highlighted. Though it would increasingly appear to be very necessary. There seems little point in continuing discussions with people who can only cast insult, fabrication, and animosity yet refuse to tolerate any rebuttal other than with vitriol and censorship. I can already hear you busily typing that the post was deleted because it insulted Islam. The post made no insult of Islam at all.
  14. It will be interesting to see your evidence for these claims. However, there is no reason why Jesus or anyone else cannot practice any of these. Jesus didn't abolish any laws, What He did was make it clear that most of these laws are laws of men and not God.
  15. Agreed. Women should be free to choose how they dress. No man has any right to touch any women unless she says they can.
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