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اللهم صل علی محمد و آل محمد  و عجل فرجهم

*لَعَنَ اللهُ قَاتِلِيْكِ يَا فَاطِمَةُ الزَّهْرَاء عَلَيْهَا السَّلَام*
اللهم العن جبت و الطاغوت 

اَللَّهُمَّ صَلِّ عَلى مُحَمَّدٍ وَّآلِ مُحَمَّدٍ وَّعَجِّلْ فَرَجَهُمْ وَالْعَنْ أَعْدَائَهُمْ اَجْمَعِيْن

اللّهُمّ صَلّ عَلَى مُحَمّدٍ وَآلِ مُحَمّدٍ
  Allahumma salle ala Mohammediw wa ale Mohammed wa ajjil farajahum wal an aa'dahum ajmaeen. 

اللّهُمّ صَلّ عَلَى مُحَمّدٍ وَآلِ مُحَمّدٍ
Allahumma salle ala Mohammediw wa ale Mohammed wa ajjil farajahum wal an aa'dahum ajmaeen. 

اللّهُمّ صَلّ عَلَى مُحَمّدٍ وَآلِ مُحَمّدٍ
Allahumma salle ala Mohammediw wa ale Mohammed wa ajjil farajahum wal an aa'dahum ajmaeen. 

1. This has been refuted again and again and again. Go and read your own books. You can dig for that on shiachat also. And in case you have done that and still do not acknowledge the truth then...

Deaf, dumb, and blind,
They will not return (to the path).
(Surah baqarah: 18)
 
2. I can also say both shia and sunni scholars have acknowledged that it was not umme Kulthum binte Ali but binte Abu bakar. Even if any of our scholar believe in your version of history, then it doesn't matter because they are not masoom (infalliable) and we do not believe any of our books as absolute 'sahih'.
 
3. Again this attack on Janabe Zehra's (s.a) house incident is proved more than anything. Read 1st pt. again.
 
Imam Ali (a.s.) was always brave in his lifetime and is still brave and courageous in our hearts through eloquence in his words, courage in the battlefield, humble before Allah (swt), Patient in the time of difficulty, Shining light in the dark history, etc. Is it necessary that a man should fight every other moment to prove his courage. If that's the case than you can say that (nauzam billah) Imam Hussain (a.s.) made a mistake for going towards karbala when he knew that the women of his house will have to bear oppression from the hands of the accursed people. You can say that (God forbid) he should have sent Hazrat Abbas (a.s.) with sword beforehand so that would have denied enemies access to the tents of sayyada Zainab (s.a.). But we believe that our Aimma (ams) were perfect in their wisdom and that was granted by Allah (swt). All they did was for the better.
Additionally if someone believes that Imam (a.s.) did not came to defend Janabe Fatema Zehra (s.a.), then read this:
 
.....Lady Fatimah (AS) said: “O Umar, what do you have to do with us?”
He replied: “Open the door, otherwise we will burn your house.”
Lady Fatimah (AS) said: “O Umar, are you not afraid of Allah and are you
entering our house?”
Umar refused to return. He asked fire to be brought and he set the door on
fire, then he pushed it and entered. Lady Fatimah (AS) came in front and
screamed loudly: “O Father, O Prophet of Allah.”
Umar raised his sword with the shield and hit her on the side. She screamed:
“O Father” He then lifted a whip and hit her on the hand and she cried: “O
Prophet of Allah, Abu Bakr and Umar behaved very badly after you.”
Hadhrat Ali (AS) rushed, held him by the neck and pushed him away and
Umar fell down and hurt his neck and nose. Hadhrat Ali (AS) intended to
kill him. He remembered what the Holy Prophet (SAW) had said, and he
said: “By Him, who gave Muhammad the status of Prophethood, O son of
Sahak, if the Book from Allah had not been revealed and if the Holy Prophet
(SAW) had not taken a promise from me before, then you would have
known that you could have never entered my house.”
(Reference: Kitab Sulaym bin Qais, Hadith no. 04, pg .20)
 
And as br. Vestige pointed out the thread was about funeral of holy prophet (sawa). You clearly have deviated from seratul Mustaqeem... Err.... Sorry you were never on one. 

^^Let's not digress off-topic now.
The thread was about the funeral of the Prophet (s) and Abu Bakr and Umar's whereabouts during his burial.

I curse sunni because sunnis accept the killers of shehzadi zehra (sa) and shehzade mohsin (as) as their khalifas
Sunnis say janabe abutalib (asws) is nauzobillah a kafir

Neither did it confirm. You were very specific about whose killings you were against so it was worth mentioning the rest of the innocent victims of islamic terror.
I could several conclusions from this. Any or all from the list below:
You fear retaliation from the fanatics so you stick with shias because we are not terrorists. You sympathize with them and do your part by attacking us online. You support them and are part of their online warfare propaganda machine. You don't care for them but find shias to be easy targets. You feel their cause is justified so you leave them alone You dont see them as an Islamic problem. You are okay with the shia killings and enslavement of Yazdis You hate shias more than you hate the terrorists so you spend time on ShiaChat saving us from ourselves. You dont agree with their methods but agree with their objectives. Only good shia is a dead shia so Go ISIS!!!  
But it does mostly originate from Sunni Islam. From Eastern Indonesia to Western Africa, there are a multitude of terror groups and all claim to be Sunni. I am name a few if you like.
I have heard this before. Khawarij and Shias are the same? Who do we do takfir against? Last I checked, we are not going around blowing up ourselves and others all over the world. Could this be your bias against us talking?
How can you say I am jumping to conclusions when this topic was up for 1 week and no Sunni responded?
I feel insulted because they are ruining the good name of the Prophet. Denmark wouldnt draw cartoons of the Prophet with bombs exploding if it were not for these terrorists.
The picture I am painting is that Sunnis are not doing enough to counter the scourge of terrorism. I am not sure why you are so angry about it. Question still stands - what is the Sunni world doing to stem the rise of terrorists. Burying head in the sand seems to be the only answer to-date.
Again, how can you say I am jumping to conclusions when this topic was up for 1 week and no Sunni responded?

You are absolutely correct.
As a matter of fact I was just thinking last night that the Ahl-e-Sunnah often argue that had the Prophet nominated Imam Ali as his successor, then the Muslims (Sahaba, muhajireen, ansar) would have spoken up on Imam Ali's behalf against the establishment. Here we are 1,400 years later and the Muslims can't even speak up online against a terror that has been wreaking havoc in the name of Islam. This is why/how the Muslims of back then also kept their mouths shut.
The similarities are uncanny.

First, you should denounce the killings of all people by terrorists.
What bias are you referring to? Does ISIS not claim they are Sunnis?
All I asked is that as a Sunni, are you spending as much time 'correcting' the terrorists or fundamentals as you are 'correcting' the shias? Also what teachings are being used to create these terrorists and are you voicing your rejection of these teachings.
I am insulted at what the terrorists are doing in the name of Islam and here you are feeling insulted because I am trying to figure out why.

1. This has been refuted again and again and again. Go and read your own books. You can dig for that on shiachat also. And in case you have done that and still do not acknowledge the truth then...

Deaf, dumb, and blind,
They will not return (to the path).
(Surah baqarah: 18)
 
2. I can also say both shia and sunni scholars have acknowledged that it was not umme Kulthum binte Ali but binte Abu bakar. Even if any of our scholar believe in your version of history, then it doesn't matter because they are not masoom (infalliable) and we do not believe any of our books as absolute 'sahih'.
 
3. Again this attack on Janabe Zehra's (s.a) house incident is proved more than anything. Read 1st pt. again.
 
Imam Ali (a.s.) was always brave in his lifetime and is still brave and courageous in our hearts through eloquence in his words, courage in the battlefield, humble before Allah (swt), Patient in the time of difficulty, Shining light in the dark history, etc. Is it necessary that a man should fight every other moment to prove his courage. If that's the case than you can say that (nauzam billah) Imam Hussain (a.s.) made a mistake for going towards karbala when he knew that the women of his house will have to bear oppression from the hands of the accursed people. You can say that (God forbid) he should have sent Hazrat Abbas (a.s.) with sword beforehand so that would have denied enemies access to the tents of sayyada Zainab (s.a.). But we believe that our Aimma (ams) were perfect in their wisdom and that was granted by Allah (swt). All they did was for the better.
Additionally if someone believes that Imam (a.s.) did not came to defend Janabe Fatema Zehra (s.a.), then read this:
 
.....Lady Fatimah (AS) said: “O Umar, what do you have to do with us?”
He replied: “Open the door, otherwise we will burn your house.”
Lady Fatimah (AS) said: “O Umar, are you not afraid of Allah and are you
entering our house?”
Umar refused to return. He asked fire to be brought and he set the door on
fire, then he pushed it and entered. Lady Fatimah (AS) came in front and
screamed loudly: “O Father, O Prophet of Allah.”
Umar raised his sword with the shield and hit her on the side. She screamed:
“O Father” He then lifted a whip and hit her on the hand and she cried: “O
Prophet of Allah, Abu Bakr and Umar behaved very badly after you.”
Hadhrat Ali (AS) rushed, held him by the neck and pushed him away and
Umar fell down and hurt his neck and nose. Hadhrat Ali (AS) intended to
kill him. He remembered what the Holy Prophet (SAW) had said, and he
said: “By Him, who gave Muhammad the status of Prophethood, O son of
Sahak, if the Book from Allah had not been revealed and if the Holy Prophet
(SAW) had not taken a promise from me before, then you would have
known that you could have never entered my house.”
(Reference: Kitab Sulaym bin Qais, Hadith no. 04, pg .20)
 
And as br. Vestige pointed out the thread was about funeral of holy prophet (sawa). You clearly have deviated from seratul Mustaqeem... Err.... Sorry you were never on one. 

1) Iraq is majority shia and it seems like Shia Iraq is bearing the brunt of the terror attacks.
2) Define 'activistic' - as in more violent?
3) Come on - do you really believe that?
And there in lies the problem. Think twice? After the thousandth or more bomb, you still want the shias to think twice before jumping to conclusions? Allah for sure knows best including the apathy in the Sunni world as regards to the terror being spread in Allah's name.
I dont expect the Sunni scholars to do anything specifically since they are part of the problem. I expect the average sunni to step up and say/do something. How about a #JeSuisShia campaign? Just now, news of the EgyptAir crash is coming and Muslims all over are praying the 60+ victims. What about the 100+ who died in the last 3 days in Baghdad. Oh well, I guess if the Sunni world jumped at every shia killing they would be jumping 24/7/365.
 
Even if the West is supplying the bombs, at the end of the day the finger on the trigger is a Sunni finger. Islam does not support terror but it sure seems like Sunni Islam supports or promotes terror.
I am not bashing people. I am bashing the terrorists and calling out Sunnis to do something against it.
And there it is. While it is thinly veiled, you are defending the terrorists by saying look Iran does it to. I need 1 video/pic of an Iranian or Hezbollah eating a liver, or blowing up a mosque or suicide bombing a market.
Yes there is a lot we are not aware off, but it does not mean we turn a blind eye to things we are aware off.
I really appreciate you responding to this thread but really all you have done is present excuses and not presented any proof of what is being done in the Sunni world to stop terrorism in the name of Allah.
In the meanwhile, we will continue to die...

I would believe that but why is it that these troubled individuals ONLY join Sunni groups? And I like your question - "what is it in "the people", that allows them to become terrorists or create terrorists in the name of Islam". However there are 2 distinct sects in Islam and "the people" seem to be joining ONLY one of the 2 sects so I absolutely have to break it down to its lowest level - "what is it in "the people", that allows them to become terrorists or create terrorists in the name of Sunni Islam"
If the same Quran is creating Sistani and Al-Baghdadi, then it is not the Quran but something else. I agree - the intention plays a big role in what one learns from the Quran.
Over 100 people have been killed in Baghdad in bombings within the last 2-3 days. I need 1 quote from 1 prominent Sunni condemning it.
Denial is the first step. We can't solve a problem as long as we keep denying it exists. Perhaps this is the reason terrorism is increasing. Burying our heads in the sand isnt going to make the problem go away which seems to be the MO of the Sunni World.
Not for a minute. You will find shias in all category of crimes except SUICIDE BOMBING and BOMBINGs of mosques and other places and specifically targeting women and children.

This thread has been up for 8 hours and no Sunni reply.
Even the ones that silently monitor our forum probably know everything we've listed is true.
I doubt a Sunni will post an answer to your question. To be honest we don't need them to come here and validate what we already know.
 

Thank you brothers.
There could be a million reasons for Islamic terrorism.
I want to know what Sunnis on ShiaChat are doing about it.
We get a question about muta once a week or more.
we get questions on the infallibility (or not) of the Prophet and Imams.
We get questions on Salah with hands closed or open.
Our turn - what is being done to counter the terrorism that seems to exist or start in the Sunni world?

the sunni in pakistan refer to the taleban as "mujahids" and any sort of government lead crackdown on these droppings from the arse of satan are immediately met by widespread sunni outrage and protest. 
stop terrorism? terrorism cannot EXIST without sunni

The prophet asked us to stick to two weighty  things, Quran and Ahl albayat. but the caliphs and rulers whom sunni followed gave them: Quran alone and sword in the other, thas why we can have terrorism in the name of sunni doctrine.

In practice, if you go to a court of law, you will find that it always provides more weight to direct evidence, rather than circumstantial evidence. If you have direct evidence and circumstantial evidence directly contradicting each other, then always the direct evidence is taken and circumstantial evidence is discarded.
We can hardly discard all the reports of the secret burial of the daughter of the Prophet (saw), the denying of the pen and paper to the Prophet (saw) to write his will, and the threat to attack the house of Sayyida Fatima and Ali (as) , which are recorded in Sunni sources as well, to say nothing of the injuring of Sayyida Fatima (as) , which is recorded in Shia sources. Also remember that the grave of Sayyida Fatima (as) is still unknown to this day. These are all stronger evidences of a bad relation between Umar and the Ahlulbayt. We cannot discard all those evidences.
Considering everything, I would say that the marriage might be a fabrication or a confusion, with another Umm Kulthum being mistaken for Imam Ali (as) 's daughter.

Whenever you felt alone think of this clip
 

Salaam
I remember going with my class to a school trip where I also had your problems.
It's actually not that difficult. Here's something you can do.
1) You tell your school staff that you need to fast - maybe they can sort something out?
2) If you go, then observe fast. Take some food with, and when it's iftar, then eat!
3) As for salah, take a water bottle with you, and when it's namaz time, then go and pray. Perhaps you should find a place where no one can find you. 

I really like those bits.
Why would anyone not want to say them?

LOL, I'll have that after Iftar today =p

~Allahumma Salle 'Ala Muhamadin Wa Aale Muhammad, Wa Ajjil Farajah ush-Sharif~

Allah Humma Salle Ala Muhammadin Wa Aal-e-Muhammad, Wa Aj'jil Faraja Hum