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fzilla

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  1. umm he is Sunni so he prolly doesnt get much buzz on these forums but yeah he is amazing. is he going to be at ICNA this weekend?
  2. how does the Sunni scholars who announced Shias as kafir defeat my theory that most Sunnis grow up learning about Islam but not much about Shias. the knowledgable Sunnis who know both Sunni and Shia Islam....right because there are what 2-3 of these scholars? u find one whos views fall into urs and these men equal all of those Sunni scholars who know Shia Islam as well.
  3. being rafedies means rejecting the caliphs...doesnt mean kafir. if anything the scholars who consider shia kafir usually cite the belief that the Imams of the Shia are held to be superior to all the Prophets(peace be upon them) except for the very last Prophet (pbuh). im not sure where not believing in the caliphs or the Sahaba places you but as far as I know its not kufr, but thats only according to my local Imam whos says the Shia who believe such and such about the Sahaba are deviated but not kafir. 2ndly ive heard it in this thread and other threads here...that the Sunnis dont know thier
  4. then i would at least hope to see them sometimes mentioned and discussed....cause last i remember it numbered to 7? and those only cause they either served under Hazrat Ali or sided with him. case in point. thank u for proving my point. said as only a shia can.
  5. im not here to discuss the characters of the Sahaba with you or anyone on this site. been there and done that. used to be a regular on the shia sunni section on this forum. you guys can believe anything u want about the sahaba (ra) from how evil power hungry they were to thier sexual orientation or if they were alcoholics....honestly at this point i dont know how much lower some shias can go but after the stuff ive seen on this forum i wouldnt be surprised. believing in the Sahaba is not part of the religion but we obviously hold the Sahaba very high, esp the 3 the shias hate, and hold them t
  6. thats the shia view. we do not hold our history to show these men as evil men who had nothing but hate in them or whatever else people claim about them...to the extent of thier sexuality as ive seen countless times on this forum. we see them as pious men and thats with the history which u claim we have and ignore. that wasnt the point anyway. my whole point was just cause shias dont curse the Sahaba (ra) in front of doesnt mean we dont know about it...in fact its one of the main things even the most misinformed Sunni will know about the Shia...that they curse those who we love so much, so i d
  7. as a sunni wether u say it front of my face or behind my back the fact that shias curse the Sahaba (ra) is extremely upsetting. im not saying what u should do or not do, thats up to u guys but just cause u dont do it in front of our faces doesnt mean we dont know its done. 2ndly i personally i think it takes away from the true debate between the sects, what seperates in aqeedah and thats the shie belief in 12 imams ordained by Allah swt. compared to who the shia think was evil, the concept of imamate is rarely a discussed.
  8. sunnis do not believe in the physical attributes of Allah swt and it is understood to be a metaphor..only wahabis/salafis believe in that and they do not count as sunni.
  9. if u dont mind me asking how did u trace ur lineage back to Hazrat Abu Bakr (ra)? i didnt know ppl kept track of that.
  10. maybe if the shia werent too busy calling everyone nasibi, yazidi, wahabi, or whatever else comes to the tongue, esp with labels, there wouldnt be so much hostility. i have seen many a sunni come to this site and all of a sudden just being sunni made them nasibi to some posters. ps: i eagerly await someone calling me one of the above
  11. To mollify the authorities, Ashura organizers say they have made sure that Shiites chant slogans about the Prophet Mohammed as well as Hussein and his father Ali. "Since the seventh day we've also been saying 'I answer to you, Mohammed!' " Adel said. Ashura reaches its climax on Thursday, the 10th day of the Islamic month of Muharram. so otherwise the Prophet (pbuh) is not mentioned and the only reason they mentioned him was to appease the officials?
  12. if u have to keep in mind that wahabis are not sunnis or not considered sunnis by sunnis, instead they are mislead. 2ndly a group hating another doesnt make it a sect. go to any mosque sadly and u will have uncles fighting, ppl disagreeing but no matter how much barelvis hate deobands and vice versa, the princicples of islam for both are identical. u can call them sects by ur definition but they arent considered sects cause they share the same islamic principles.
  13. then that depends on ur definition of sects. i know all the hate all the lil groups carry foe each other, but they do not differ on anything but matters of fiqh and applications of it. the fundamentals remain the same across the board. the way i always defined it, and maybe im wrong, is that the sect is formed is when u differ on matters of the principles of faith. for example Shiism is a sect seperate from Sunnism because of the belief of Imamate as a pillar of Islam, not because there is fighting between Sunnis and Shias and they hate who we love or we call them names.
  14. fasting on the 10th is not wajib but highly recommended. sunni pov btw.
  15. then ur hanafi? and u mentioned 100s of sects? matters of opinions on fiqh make not a sect.
  16. are u seriously comparing the command of Allah swt to his Prophet Abraham (pbuh) to scarifice his son (pbuh) to Shias mourning for Hazrat Hussein? are u comparing a command from Allah to what Shias do? im all for recognizing and learning from what happened at this massacre/battle but what the Shias do doesnt sit well with me either, esp the beatings as it proves absolutely nothing. seriously its both funny and sad to compare Prophet Abraham's (pbuh) sacrifice/test from Allah SWT to shias mourning practices of Hazrat Hussein. 2ndly i always hear from Shias the defense that so and so mourned wh
  17. depends on what u posted and how and where. u cant generalize. u know sunnis respect muawiya as a sahabi so if u went in guns blazing disrespecting him ur not going to be met with sane logical rational responses. 2ndly barelvi masjids that i have been to even have narays for Hazrat Ali so again u cant generalize and say they do this or that. treat women in the same fashion? based on what?
  18. did i say anything like that? my point was that list posted is something some misled sunni ppl can reproduce themselves against the shia. nothing was backed up in that list and the poster starts of with saying lets focus on the similarities and then proceeds to lie about sunnis. 2ndly the thread was about shia beliefs, not made up sunni beliefs.
  19. u are arguing the grief felt at the moment of losing a loved one justifys matam 1400 yrs later? cause many ppl "lose it" when they lose a loved one, but they dont make it a annual tradition. 2ndly i too find that explanation for ya Ali madad or ya Hussein madad to be very flimsy? comparing it to a doctor? give me a break. if you really wanna go down that road why not call on our Prophet (pbuh) who was the closest of all? but then i hear ppl say well since Hazrat Ali was closest to the Prophet (pbuh)......u can continue that game forever. and s4ever ur implying that Hazrat Hussein won and the
  20. with his imam yazid? what in the world are u talking about? when did he say that was his Imam also? he is not sitting on the fence, rather he is telling it how sunnis believe it. we dont think its a day to celebrate, but we also dont believe in the ashura practices (cultural or institutionalized) by the shias. i think that is a moderate sunni view, that while its not a day of celebration it is a day of ibadat and one should remember the battle and what happened but not do as the shia do on the day.
  21. ur taking the views of the wahabi and other misled ppl who call themselves Sunni. no sunni believes the quran in not complete, and last i heard that was the belief of some shia subsects. if ur going to say things like that at least back it up. and no sunni believes in turning what was haram into halal. these are pure lies which u post and then u dare have the audacity to say to focus on the similarities? ur list sounds mostly a list i can reproduce by some sunnis who say the same about shias. bidah, incomplete quran, seeing Ali in the moon, and all other stuff.
  22. so what is the difference between usooli and akbhari? im pretty sure one is the minority and did not believe in the completeness of the Quran.
  23. http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/attachment...tachmentid=1078
  24. whats the difference between usooli and akbari again? one doesnt believe in the completeness of the Quran correct?
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