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Zainuu

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  1. It is not unity which has caused this divide. It is the weakness in belief. The scholars who have supported unity have done great works to show the shia Aqeeda. They have played a good role in bringing Shiism in light. They have written books and researches on all the necessary topics. Now, if someone picks the banner of unity and doesn't even tries to open these books to understand his own belief in the first place then it is not the fault of the very idea of unity.
  2. Want to clear some things which I found as wrong assumptions here: 1. Actually there are quite good amount of proofs that Shirazi ayatullahs are not even ayatullahs as they have no sanad of ijtihad. Some of them I saw on Memri TV even supported Saddam's massacre against Iran. Although Iran is not holy to us, but Saddam was definitely Yazeed of the time. And even Ayatullah khoei supported the shabaniyah uprising against him. 2. Supporting and following the course of Unity doesn't mean we are compromising with our shia belief which Tauheed, Adl, Nabuwwat, Imamate, Qiyamat. Also, as addressed by brothers here, Shia muslims should give priority to seeking unity within themselves. Let me tell you, that these disagreements are based on perspectives and wrong and right ijtihad of scholars. Imam Khomeini may not agree with Sayyid al Khoei somewhere, Imam Khamenei may not agree with Sayyid al Sistani somewhere and vica-versa. Historically, sheikh al Mufid disagreed with Sheikh al Saduq on many many things. Akhbaris disagree with Usoolis. Now, let us understand what the FITNA actually is: Fitna is that we, the general shias (who should not even care about such disagreements) have taken these to the throat. We call ourselves Usooli and Akhbari while we are not. We call ourselves pro-WF and against WF while we are not. We are just muslims, Shias, Imamis Ithnasheris and nothing ahead of it. We follow the scholars but we should not assume that WF or Akhbarism or Usoolism or anything that might come in future is a kind of doctrine created. This is a very crucial thing to understand. More crucial than anything. Avoid bringing these conflicts within Marjas and highly esteemed scholars in public. On social media forums or anywhere. Don't call other shias Akhbaris, Usoolis or pro-WF or even pro-Shirazis. Disputes regarding methodology, perspective among the scholars should remain limited to them. They are researchers and scholars for god's sake. They can have different views regarding anything based on their own research. Nothing is authentic other than Quran and no one is masoom other than whom we all know. I don't mean to say that stop trusting scholars. But my point is that, as we start discussing all this online and publicly in front of others, these disagreements and difference in views becomes a fitna. Wassalam
  3. I agree with that brother. But faith is not about debating, rather about practicing. Even I was quite much bent on debating and proving my claims on shiachat before but I just thought that it is a forum of some people, they are not a judge on me rather Allah is the judge on all of us. I read books like Uswat on Ayatullah Bahjat and Sunan Nabi (which I am still reading) by Allama tabatabai and went back on track to practice more rather than just debate. Although, I agree with you over here that if questions are raised they are to be answered and so is the case of shiism where shia scholars have written books and books just to answer the questions on there faith. Well, for one reason I know how Sunni scholars in India and Pakistan have destroyed the lives of millions of women. By favoring triple talaq (a fastrack way of divorcing) and nikah e Halala. They were unable to prove it from the Quran even in front of hindus let alone shias. They defamed Islam and became a disgraceful representative of religion in front of a nation of 1 billion people. Long before all of this would happen they even stopped women from gaining education and it was only the movement started by Sir Sayyed when there banner fell apart. The hadith you shared has no problem. But I don't see this hadith folloqed in practical lives of Sunnis. Where many traditions and rulings are just coming out from there own minds and not from Quran or Sunnah. Definitely, the Sunnis see themselves thriving that is why they follow it. But a majority of them are moderate who don't care much about fiqh but get along in life. And a good majority of those who take it seriously have some extreme perspectives. So, the confidence factor you talk about doesn't mean correct orientation. What correct orientation does mean is that what they read in books and how they derive there religion, is it even possible to practically apply it top to bottom. When you have declared 6 books as ultimate correct books (Sahih) and pure sunnah how are you doing ijtihad (deduction). The people who question the status of Bukhari, I have seen how they are being called Dajjal, this and that. No book is authentic except the Quran and all hadith books should have a room of research alive in it. So, the 6 sahih books which you follow as sahih can be questioned and can be researched again. But I don't see that happening among the Sunnis. There are numerous questions which are valid. I don't have to do anything with the technical works that the sunnis scholars do and all the ilm ur Rijal and Mantiq etc.. My question is about the resultant. Yes. exactly. You all follow Imamate by the way. But difference between you and all the shias (zaidis or ismailis or imamis) is that shias have a debate on who the Imam should be but you just don't recognize it openly. Although, you do get compelled to accept Caliphate of anyone, whosoever gets the seat and is a muslim. Zaidis, Ismailis (although not as strict as us Imamis) still have a concept which they recognize. On the other hand, we consider it crucial to faith (even it's choice). But to no avail actually. First of all, ghaybah of Imam (عجّل الله تعالى فرجه الشريف) doesn't mean he led with enormous power etc. The successes always lie parallel to the objectives and the Imams are bound by the will of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) itself. The success that Shias gained is that I am still talking to you safe and sound and I am a shia of Ali and I exist. so, despite all what the enemies could do to eliminate shiism and shia works. Alhumdulillah we are still there and not only living but spreading. Also, we have saved our literature, our books, our fiqh and everything in the face of times completely against us. Safavid dynasty was not any ultimate success. Although, a shia state was established in order to safeguard shias from the even brutal ottomans but this is the only success attached with shias and this is actually of grave imoortance. Because seeing the magnitude of atrocities and hostilities, if it would not have been the help of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and his hujjah, we would not have survived. Although, Safavids were gone because they deviated but the shiism in Iran remained. This was the success. Safavids didn't protect us, it was Allah and his hujjat. And this is only our achievement, seeing the times we lived in. Exactly, such deviations happened from the very start. And as a result after the death of Uthman, state of Islam was in chaos. The issues became open when Imam Ali (عليه السلام) took Caliphate. These defects became clear when they martyred him and his son Imam Hasan (عليه السلام) and then it all went away in the hands of tyrants as we all know. This is what these verses point to and this is what the hadith points to. Agree with that. Political support is nowhere but only in speeches. Finances don't do a thing unless politics interferes. And yes, as you said, you are exactly quoting what I am saying from the start. If you had taken the issue of Imamate and wilayat seriously, you would never had seen shameless leaders in arab states. My aim is to point out the fact that Idea of Imamate cannot be ignored and thus shia belief is complete in this way. You yourself brought up great points though, but if you read your own words, you have actually agreed that the current and former issues that have occurred in Islamic world have happened because of the lack of leadership which has it's roots in taking the concept of Imamate lightly, ignoring it and therefore considering anyone to be a leader. You might bring up many many flaws in shias on this subject but with that I agree and Imam Khomeini even conceded that yes even Shias have taken the concept of wilayat and Imamate lightly. But the concept of Imamate in shiism is crucial to faith. I will come back and go through your former responses brother. It is not that I have ignored and not interested bu I am short of time. May Allah bless you and guide you.
  4. @Debate follower Brother Salamunalaykum, I am sorry brother that I am replying back and I have not even read your long response. But through what I saw you were full on criticising shia belief. Well, I don't stop anyone from that. And tbh, you have good debaters and you even might win on me by bringing up your library. You might prove me wrong by bringing up your library. But then what? With your aqeeda, will you be able to establish a strong jurisprudence, a strong system of ijtihad, a really strong ilaahi system which keeps on evolving rather than diminishing? No, you cannot. So, even if you win a debate your aqeeda won't help you in practical life. As I already said, you will disagree with me but not your fitrah. Imamate is fundamental need of society and humankind for a stable divine system. If you are true in what you say, you were always a majority and always in power throughout history but were you able to maintain it? No, because don't have a system to do so. You still have huge wealth. But still muslims are poor. Because you are leaderless. You had huge empires, spanning continents. Some salafis take pride in that time, but if you were soooo great why were unable to maintain it? Even after having wealth, people, scholars, power? In India, sunni brothers were fighting for tripple talaq and imagine a hindu judge was telling them that it is no where in your books. Such a shame and such a mockery they made of religion after having soo much knowledge and support from all sides. Why are only the shias cpming up when Palestine needs support? Prof. Henry Corbin (a convert to Shiism) by the great Allama Tabatabai said, "Shia islam is unique because it is alive. The leaders of all other religions are history. But the leader of shia Islam is still alive and therefore, this religion will stay until it's leader remains." May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) guide you and bless you.
  5. Imamate is mentioned in the Quran, clearly and explicitly and I think many brothers on shiachat have shed a light upon that. Isn't there in your hadith books written to obey the ruler even if he loots you and kicks you out of your own house? Majority of the shia population opposed the shah. And not only in words, they finally revolted and brought him down. Can it happen in Saudi Arabia? No. The reason is simple, you might be critical about them but a huge population of Sunnis are his sympathisers. Doesn't the ahl hadees and salafis in Pakistan and around the world now supporting the Taliban? Ok, put aside MBS and let us only talk about S. Was king Salman, kings before him really just? They were all tyrants. But the majority of Ahl Sunnah were obedient to them. Also, there is a great majority of sunnis who are marching behind Recip Tayyip Erdogan. Is he righteous? Is he your Imam? My point was this only. As you don't recognize Imamate, you are compelled to accept anyone who sits on the seat of power. Shias never consider Shah or anyone as there Imam. As Imamate amongst Shias is free of any manipulations from any side. Yes. Not complaining about this brother. This is exactly what your mazhab is. Isn't it? Imam Khomeini is called Imam by title (as it means leader). He was the leader of Islamic revolution and in the ideology of wilayat al Faqih, there is a necessity to have a wali e faqih so that this ideology keeps moving. So, in Shias, a fallible person can hold a small degree of leadership, just like you have leaders in subjects (Imam Bukhari, Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal) and that too is rare because in Shia system of hadith sciences and ijtihad, no book is consider authentic and to whatever extent a scholar might do research and to whatever extent a scholar might be certain about contents in his books, his works and the works done before him still remain open for research. So, in Shiism, in terms of Hadith, Fuqh, Usool etc you can have Allama, Ayatullah, Hujjatul Islam, marja etc but not Imam. But to a small extent we are similar in this. By shias, I mean Imamiyah. Zaidis don't consider there Imams as infallible and Ismailis have some extreme complexities in this concept. So, 'fixed and locked' means infallibility. Okay. So, majority will decide who is correct? As if, in the history, the people of moses (عليه السلام) were in majority or people of Ibrahim (عليه السلام) or people of Nuh were in majority. Though, this question is not for me. But if you find a brother in faith who is much more pious and religious and away from sins than you, won't you prefer to ask him to do dua for you? Not saying that you won't pray for yourself directly. But you will ask because you find him more closer to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) then yourself. This is exactly what tawassul is. Prefer to ask from Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), but also ask other souls to do dua for you. May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) bless you and be your guide and protector.
  6. It came from US and went to US. Your govt. took it from tax payers and payed it to the rich corporates. Yes, offcourse they were ok to create some mess in Afghanistan.
  7. Gave back the zakaat collected by Abu Sufyan to him only instead of keeping it for the poor so that he allows him to rule. Don't worry brother. Time will change. Sane minds know that one day the tides will change. The hypocrites will be recognized by there stains. May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) bless you.
  8. Islam is the righteous and universal religion. How? Because the day a child is born, he is born with certain roots of his identity which are untouched and cannot be denied. A person who denies these roots, denies himself. These principles exactly match the 5 usool e din which we cannot deny: 1. Monothiesm 2. Justice 3. Prophethood 4. Imamate (leadership) 5. Day of Judgement That being said, Sunnis cannot deny Imamate at all. Even if they do, they are actually deny there own prosperity. Something which is fundamental and something without which there is no way forward. As a result you see that, they only deny Imamate in words but not in actions. Because they have taken a wrong path by denying Imamate, at one point every sunni is forced to accept the Imamate of a man-made leader. This bar can be high and low. Low as low as MBS and Al Baghdadi. High as high as Imam Ali (عليه السلام) and Imam Hasan (عليه السلام). But they cannot deny it. Even they can consider many Imams depending on fields. Like Imam Bukhari is there Imam in subject of hadith. Similarly, Imam Hanbal, Imam Shafie etc are Imams of law. On the other hand, Shias have fixed this concept and locked it so that no one can play with the Usool of religion. Which is very important. Isn't it important to secure an usool of religion? If an usool is violated or tweeked then such a step can destroy the religion. That is the reason that in shiism, denial of Imamate of Ali (عليه السلام) is indeed denial of an usool and denial of an usool is denial of religion. Even if a person might not agree with me but his fitrah would agree. He will fool no one but himself by disagreeing on this.
  9. I can make a similar video with these 10 points and the title would be: "10 Reasons to leave Sunnism" @Baseer why listening to slanderers. By asking these questions, who have obvious and visible answers, this person is just trying to spill fitna. Most and ai mean maximum content on Sunnah Discourse is full of Nasibiyat. Don't get into all these Fitna. Shiism has many loopholes and same but rather even greater are there in Ahl Sunnah. But I know that everyone would ask me to answer this. So, let me give brief answers for all: 1. A focus on Allah ((سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى)): It is not Shia theology and Aqeeda which has low focus on Allah. It is the deviant shia people who are like that. Shiism is purely derived from Quran and Shiism is strictly focussed upon Quran (Kitab Allah) and Iterat. Nahj ul Balagha (if you read) is a beautiful wonder that is full of dhikr Allah. Sahifa Sajjadiyah is a blessed book of duas and there is no match to that book in the entire Islamic literature. Purely focussed upon Allah. 2. Access to Hadiths: Although a problem but not that huge. We do have access to huge volumes of hadith with regards to our Aqeeda in Wilayat. When you have 12 hujjats after Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) and words of all are undisputed and crucial then we will obviously match the compilations and scholarly works with respect to that. So, see where the times of our earliest scholars lie and see where the hadith compilation and research has begun. When it comes to problems in hadith. Well, they are everywhere because corrupt nasibis and ghaalis were all around busy in confusing people. 3. Acceptance of Companions: Again, a difference here lies between the shia literature and the shia public. Shia Aqeeda has great respect for companions. In fact, we value them so much that we cannot allow there names to be taken along with hypocrites. Isn't it an insult to Ibn Abbas (رضي الله عنه) (For eg) if we say his name in one breath and Muawiya's name in another breath (with the same respect). Which logic would allow you to say: "Hazrat Ammar is in Jannah along with 'Hazrat Muawiyah'? Read the Quran and you will find the verses that say: "Is the reward of ones who do good and the ones who are evil equal?" So, doesn't Quran challenge this rhetoric. So, Shia aqeeda has a true love for Sahaba. Separating them from the hypocrites. 4. Access to Ahlulbayt's teachings : A baseless accusation not worth answering. 5. Taqiyyah free Ahlubayt : This is a strawman. Assuming that Taqiyyah is something not a part of our faith. While in reality it is proven from Quran. I had a back and forth word with a salafi on Shiachat itself where he did nothing except laying vile accusations on all shias of lie. This happened to the point that he even said that,"I don't know if you are doing taqiyyah right now or not." So, Taqiyyah is in our aqeeda and even many many Sunnis do it. Especially, in India when they are attacked by Hindutva goons, even the most extremist Sunnis hide if they sell or purchase beaf. They even have given official fatwa from all institutes that cow meat is haram for Indian muslims. This much just for life. Isn't it taqiyyah? 6. Access to the context of Quran: Again, a problem of people and not aqeeda. Shia teachings focus the most on Quran. Even the most wonderful tafsirs written on Quran are there: Tafsir Al Mizan - Allama Tabatabai Majma ul Bayan fi Tafsir al Quran - Sheikh Tabarsi Tafsir Al Burhan, Tafsir al Qummi. These are the popular ones only. You will find tafsir of Quran in volumes from many Shia scholars of every era. No one can write a tafsir without understanding the context. 7. Refer to point 6. And please tell me how many are there on the other side of the fence? Read Tafsir Ibn Kathir and also Tafsir Majma ul Bayan. Read Tafsir Tafhim al Quran by Maududi and read Tafsir Al Mizan. Compare and answer which is aligned with Quran more. 8. Access to Prophet's Biography: There are many books written on Seerat un Nabi. The Message by Ayatullah Jaffer Subhani. Sunan an Nabi by Allama Tabatabai. There are many others. Enough to prove that this is wrong. 9. Trust in Hadith compilers: Shia compilers can be trusted easily. I foind this point a bit vague and blurry. What do you mean here? Sheikh al Kulayni was a thiqa in Shias as well as Sunnis. 10. Realistic Karbala Narrative : It is not that we don't have a realistic narrative. But the azadari is dominated by thosecwithout knowledge and thus it appears as if Karbala isn't real. Wrong and unrealistic practices. Mixing of emotions with history has caused this trouble. This point is genuinely the nearest to be a critic among all. But definitely not a reason to leave an aqeeda. May Allah bless you and everone and may Allah protect the faith of brother @Baseer
  10. This is the right time for Liva Fatimiyun and shia resistance groups to make there positions firm within Afghanistan and become the backbone for the regions dominated by Shias and other non-Sunni groups. Because Shias of Afghan should not live in this dilemma of fear and hope as Taliban takes over. Taliban cannot be fighted right now. And the Afghan govt is equally repressive for Shias (not to mention how corrupt they are). So, the way to go right now is to develop resistance and incline towards self-sufficiency. It will be easy as Taliban would take some time to stabilise there govt and even if they are animals, they won't attack any shias right now. They won't develop any sentiment of hate right now if they want to rule.
  11. Does that mean that under Biden, US is going closer to Turkey and far from KSA?
  12. Salaam, Dua e Mashlool. Namaz e Jaffer At Tayyar. Many many there are so you can refer to anything. But remember that dua should come along with zarf. Zarf means the capacity to accept what Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) will give you and the capacity to face the consequences after which you'll recieve your desire. Which again concludes that you should struggle to achieve your goal in order to show how sincere you are about it. May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) bless you
  13. Sister @Zxqn, Salaam, There were some good days of worship that came after Ramadan. I am sorry for not checking or reminding. I just hope you took some benefit of these holy days like 25 Dhul qadda, 9 Dhul Hijjah, 18 dhul Hijja and many more. May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) bless you and protect your faith.
  14. The verse says: 'most of those' not 'all of those'. So, the absolute superiority is discarded. And humans are above 'most of' the creation definitely.
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