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  1. Of course jesus also had some miracles to prove his prophecy. That's why we Muslims believe in him. You know every prophets must have miracle to prove their prophecy otherwise how could people know them as prophets but the point is if you accept Quran as a miracle you cannot reject Islam and because it is after Christianity so it simply means that it is abolished as Jew and all of the former religions were abolished after the Christianity.
  2. Ahmad Ibn Hanbal said: لا تقلدني و لا تقلد مالكا و لا الشافعي و لا الأوزاعي و لا الثوري و خذ من حيث أخذوا. Don’t imitate me nor Malik nor Shafe’e nor Awza’e nor Thawri rather take from sources they have taken from. (The Collection of Fatwas of Ibn Teymiyyeh Vol:20, P:211)
  3. وَ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ في‏ رَيْبٍ مِمَّا نَزَّلْنا عَلى‏ عَبْدِنا فَأْتُوا بِسُورَةٍ مِنْ مِثْلِهِ وَ ادْعُوا شُهَداءَكُمْ مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ صادِقينَ فَإِنْ لَمْ تَفْعَلُوا وَ لَنْ تَفْعَلُوا فَاتَّقُوا النَّارَ الَّتي‏ وَقُودُهَا النَّاسُ وَ الْحِجارَةُ أُعِدَّتْ لِلْكافِرين And if you are in doubt concerning what We have sent down to Our servant, then bring a sourah like it, and invoke your helpers besides Allah, should you be truthful. And if you do not and you will not then beware the Fire whose fuel will be humans and stones, prepared for the faithless. (Al-Baqara) Based on above-mentioned verses, Quran has challenged all of humans since 14 centuries to bring a verse like Quran and no one has already answered this challenge. However there are some precious matters could be proven directly or indirectly by the challenge of Quran (تحدی القرآن) 1. The miracle of Quran and therefore its legitimacy. 2. The prophecy of the Prophet Muhammad. 3. The infallibility of Ahlulbayt. إِنَّما يُريدُ اللَّهُ لِيُذْهِبَ عَنْكُمُ الرِّجْسَ أَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ وَ يُطَهِّرَكُمْ تَطْهيراً Indeed Allah desires to repel all impurity only from you, O People of the Household, and purify you with a thorough purification. (Al-Ahzab:33) إِنَّما وَلِيُّكُمُ اللَّهُ وَ رَسُولُهُ وَ الَّذينَ آمَنُوا الَّذينَ يُقيمُونَ الصَّلاةَ وَ يُؤْتُونَ الزَّكاةَ وَ هُمْ راكِعُون‏ Your guardian is only Allah, His Apostle, and the faithful who maintain the prayer and give the zakat while bowing down. (AL-Maede: 55) 4. The seal of the prophecy. ما كانَ مُحَمَّدٌ أَبا أَحَدٍ مِنْ رِجالِكُمْ وَ لكِنْ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَ خاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ وَ كانَ اللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْ‏ءٍ عَليما Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the Apostle of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets, and Allah has knowledge of all things. (Al-Ahzab: 40) 5. Imamate. وَ إِذِ ابْتَلى‏ إِبْراهيمَ رَبُّهُ بِكَلِماتٍ فَأَتَمَّهُنَّ قالَ إِنِّي جاعِلُكَ لِلنَّاسِ إِماماً قالَ وَ مِنْ ذُرِّيَّتي‏ قالَ لا يَنالُ عَهْدِي الظَّالِمين‏ And when his Lord tested Abraham with certain words, and he fulfilled them, He said," I am making you the Imam of mankind." Said he," And from among my descendants?" He said," My pledge does not extend to the unjust." (Al-Baqara: 124) 6. Guardianship. إِنَّما وَلِيُّكُمُ اللَّهُ وَ رَسُولُهُ وَ الَّذينَ آمَنُوا الَّذينَ يُقيمُونَ الصَّلاةَ وَ يُؤْتُونَ الزَّكاةَ وَ هُمْ راكِعُون‏ Your guardian is only Allah, His Apostle, and the faithful who maintain the prayer and give the zakat while bowing down. (AL-Maede: 55) 7. Precise rules of Islam encompassing beliefs, juristic rules and morality. 8. General prophethood. If there are more results for this sacred challenge please let me and the other viewers know.
  4. Before talking about it, it is worth mentioning that this discussion is after the existence and attributes of God have been proven. So some information must be taken as granted in order to talk about the general prophethood. The proof is as follows: 1. God is all-wise. (wisdom has two meanings: A: The governance of creatures is perfect and neat. B: God never does wrong acts and always chooses the best option.) 2. Sending a program for guidance is inherently and practically possible. 3. Human has free will so he chooses. Therefore he does some acts and abstains from doing some acts freely. 4. Human is not omniscient. So naturally doesn’t know all true deeds. So he is exposed to the wrongdoings. 5. God created human so if He doesn’t send a true and complete program then He exposed Human to wrongdoings. 6. Based on All-Wisdom, even the exposure to wrongdoings by God is impossible otherwise His all-wisdom was negated. 7. God must send program. 8. Sending Program is only possible through sending some chosen humans that we call them prophets.
  5. Please don't miss it! It absolutely is touching.
  6. So you agree that science cannot prove or disprove God's existence FOR SURE.
  7. Mohsinhona nice video about men and women friendship. it was very logical video.

  8. I have you in my contacts. I hope that we will learn much about our religion together. Thanks for help brother

    1. mohsenhona


      Your welcome brother.:)

  9. Can Men and women be just a friend? For knowing the answer please check out this short interview.
  10. First, you didn't answer my question: ' if you think that science can prove or disprove every beings' existence, so please share your information. Second, inferences might be wrong as some of them were within the years. So science does NOT give us confidence about it's result. Third, you mention that we KNOW inexistence of Flying Spaghetti Monster. But this is not true for God. Honestly we don't KNOW that God DOESN'T exist. As Russell one of the greatest and most distinctive atheists in an interview with White confesses: “I don’t think something as God doesn’t exist … I cannot prove that there is no God.” Fourth, can science speak about every kinds of beings? Maybe there are some kind that exist but are not physical. How can science speak about existence and inexistence of such a being? Does it have the proper tool or lab to do so? Fifth, if we don't find something it does not mean that it does not exist. Science only can claim that i couldn't find God and i couldn't experiment it in my lab. I think, if one scientific fact to choose to be true, it would be this. Science cannot study God as it studies other beings. Sixth, Every science must speak about its subject. What is the science’s subject? Is it to recognize the kinds of existence? Or kinds of one sort of it? Science only speaks about different beings of physical kind of existence, but how about metaphysical kind of existence? Seventh, if the existence of a being is proven intellectually, then science must accept because the legitimacy of science comes from intellect as well. So intellect has the upper hand. Yes the only thing can do is to show some evidences that make the intellect consider, then the intellect itself decides to revise or not. All in all science doesn’t decide.
  11. Ok, we both agree that science to some extent can prove or disprove some beings. In fact it is undeniable. But the question is, can it prove or disprove every beings' existence? Creationist say no and i posted the reason. well, if you think that science can prove or disprove every beings' existence, so please share your information. Thanks.
  12. ho, Mohsin, I am Muslim and I am interested to post for this, but I cannot get reply bar in your post, I do not know why. but I have something interesting to share with atheist so that it might lead them to think. Can you please tell me why i am not getting reply bar and tell me can I post something on your wall so you post it on your wall at your own to teach atheist how to think.

    1. mohsenhona



      It is better to private message with Hameedeh. She is shiachat's supervisor. I had some problems and she solved it for me.

      In advance appreciate you for sharing information.


    2. Hameedeh


      Salam, Danish14. It is very rare to have the no reply box problem at ShiaChat. Please restart your phone and the problem should be resolved. If you are using a PC, you might need to clear the browsing data. I will send you a PM explaining how. 

  13. My topic is about why science cannot do so for every beings including God. Please read it again carefully and impartially.
  14. Yes, sure you are right. The only thing i wanted to do is to prove that science cannot discuss about God's existence or inexistence, That's it. However we still need to prove Him from another way like intellect.
  15. The angels might be shocked when they see some people are come together; one says how kind and merciful God is and the other one expresses how awesome, well-off and pleasant will be the future! Because nowadays they rarely witness that there are some people who don't complain or nag at God, and are content with Him. So despite all hardships, let’s be grateful for Allah and see the half-full of the glass.
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