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  1. According to Ahmedis Imam Hussain ((عليه السلام)) used to stammer, something which he inherited from Prophet Musa ((عليه السلام)): Do we have anything reliable in Shia & Sunni sources which support this claim?
  2. Salam brother Check out this thread where brother @Islamic Salvation has shared some of the most authentic narrations on Imam Mahdi (a.j): Also check out this collection of authentic narrations published by brother @Qa'im: http://www.imamiyya.com/hadith/qiyam Wsalam
  3. May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) guide us all, didn't know it could go this far. However I don't think that WhoIsHusssain wants to promote that kind of views, rather they just want to inspire people through Imam Hussain ((عليه السلام)) on doing good deeds, being kind to one another etc and hopefully there might be non-Muslims as well who get inspired and eventually guided to Islam. I also think it's obvious in itself that such things would be prohibited (as Islam has its own laws, as in other religions or countries) and I'm pretty sure that their intention is not to try portraying Imam Hussain ((عليه السلام)) as a liberal or something like that, rather they want to inspire others through common grounds (generosity, helping others, standing up for your rights).
  4. Salam I did not claim that it was fabricated, nor do I throw away a hadith just because it is 'weak'. However when a hadith has a sanad full of Ghulats, then it'd be better to put it aside as the chances that it may not have been said by the Imam ((عليه السلام)) are greater.
  5. If you're talking about the hadith which says that Imam Mahdi (a.j) will dig up their graves and hang them, then it is extremely weak: http://www.revivingalislam.com/2010/06/hadeeth-aboo-bakr-Umar-hung-from-tree.html?m=1 The chain contain mostly Ghulats (extremists) and therefore can not be relied upon.
  6. Sorry, I should've wrote (if) we say that it was his intention.. However, aren't there a lot of narrations stating how he wanted to reform the Ummah, stop the oppression etc? Also didn't he go to Kufa with the thought of getting their support to stand against Yazid l.a and eventually get the caliphate? I don't see why there would be an issue with the Imam (عليه السلام) wanting to get the caliphate so he can guide the people to the sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) and help the opressed people..
  7. Salam alykom Just a question, even though Imam Hussain ((عليه السلام)) did what he did with the intention of getting the caliphate. Can it still not be argued that Imam Hussain ((عليه السلام)) wanted to do that because he stood up for justice, freedom and wanted to reform the Ummah due to the oppression that was happening because of Yazid l.a? Why would it be wrong to use Imam Hussain ((عليه السلام)) as an inspiration in standing up for justice today, in the way www.whoishussain.org does for example? Or what is it about today's view of Imam Hussain's ((عليه السلام)) mission that is not correct? Sorry just trying to understand the discussion you all have had in this thread. Also, is this sayying from Imam Hussain ((عليه السلام)) authentic (or at least reliable in someway)?
  8. The matter is not as simple as black & white. I wouldn't rush into calling Sunnis in general as disbelievers as there are hadiths implying that they are Muslims (not mo'mins though) and their destiny is left to God's mercy, and He will do with them as He wills. Note that I don't know the grading of the second hadith. For more information about this topic read this article: http://purifiedhousehold.com/salvation-of-non-Shias/
  9. While at it, how do we consider what is Ghina and what is not when it comes to Nasheeds with vocals only? Sayyed Sistani says that even if a Nasheed is sung (without instruments) in a 'Ghina' form then it would be haram to listen to: Anyone who knows if for example Maher Zain's nasheeds without instruments would be permissible to listen to such as this one? Or would this be considered as ghina?
  10. @Ibn al-Hussain Thank you for your detailed response. In your opinion, do you think the hadiths regarding this issue are clear and not open for reinterpretation (that most non-Muslims should be fought, we should not live in their countries, be harsh against them etc) or do you think that there are proof as well for what most jurists believe today regarding non-Muslims and Islam being a religion of peace? What comes in mind is this verse for example: Or these about peace: According to narrations that have reached us, would you say that we are allowed to live in the west, show kindness to non-Muslims etc as long as we can practice our faith freely and openly in those places? Or is this just something that today's scholars have 'sugar-coated' and something Islam is completely against according to our Imams ((عليه السلام)) and the Qur'an? I remember reading somewhere online (probably a Sunni site) that when we become a citizen in a country belonging to non-Muslims, we agree to abide by their laws etc (like a pact) and therefore we should or must not break their laws since as Muslims we are not allowed to break trusts (even against non-Muslims), it was somewhere along those lines. Has any of our jurists argued this way and would you see this interpretation as justified? JazakumAllah khair
  11. Salam alykom brother Wouldn't most of the countries in the west count as Dar al Sulh (or a country with whom a peace treaty is made) considering that Muslims there can practice their faith openly and are secured? What about the Quranic verses that talk about making peace with non-Muslims if possible etc, and didn't the Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم).a) make peace treaties with those who didn't wage war against Muslims and so forth? Otherwise, wouldn't it mean that what ISIS is doing in the west is pretty much justified?
  12. Sayyed Khamenei's response: Question: Salam alykom Are we allowed to kill dogs without a specific reason or fear for diseases? Answer: Salamun `alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu There is no problem in killing an annoying/harmful animal unless it is owned by another person but hurting a harmless animal is impermissible.
  13. According to the office of Sayyed Sistani in London: Question: Salam alykom Are we allowed to kill dogs without a specific reason or fear for diseases? Answer: In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful It is allowed in case of sufficient excuse Wassalamu Alaykum This makes sense when you look at the bigger picture and not only in one or two specific hadiths. This also seem to be in line with the Sunni view that such hadiths have a context behind them, and were not meant generally as you should go out and kill all dogs you can find.
  14. Salam brother Check this out regarding the authenticity of Musnad Zayd ((رضي الله عنه)):
  15. Just going to leave these here: http://www.imamiyya.com/hadith/qiyam
  16. Hmm, never heard that before honestly. Maybe that is another version of it or another dua just sharing the same name. However the chain and everything is mentioned in the link I provided where it clearly goes back to our 7th Imam (عليه السلام) Salam brother The authentic version of it (the one in the link I provided) does not contain the names of the Imams (عليه السلام) separately: "And (please do) send blessings on the leaders of the Muslims" وَصَلِّ عَلَى أَئِمَّةِ الْمُسْلِمِينَ
  17. Salam brother Dua Iftitah is an authentic dua narrated from Imam Musa (عليه السلام): http://www.revivingalislam.com/2010/09/saheeh-supplications-duaa-al-iftitaah.html?m=1
  18. Weird, they don't work for me either now afterwards. I will try to paste some of the main points from those articles. It is not as clear as it seems, let's see what some of their scholars have said regarding this hadith: Hadith that Allah will Directly himself appoint 12 Successors for this Ummah Sunni Authorities have absolutely no answer to this Hadith: Sahih al-Bukhari (English), Hadith: 9.329, Kitabul Ahkam: The Prophet (s) said: There will be Twelve Commanders." He then said a sentence which I did not hear. My father said, the Prophet added, "All of them will be from Quraysh." Sahih Muslim, (English), Chapter DCCLIV, Tradition #4483: The Prophet (s) said: "The Religion (Islam) will continue until the Hour (Day of Resurrection), having Twelve Caliphs for you, all of them will be from Quraysh." Confusions and Contradictions of Sunni Authorities while explaining the Hadith of 12 Leaders Sunni Authorities believe that Caliph/Successor of Prophet (s) has to be chosen by Allah, but it is the right of Ummah to chose their own Caliph by Votes (like Abu Bakr was chosen as Caliph in Saqifa by the votes of Ummah). Their second belief is this that every one could be a Caliph, even if he is not from Quraysh. Contrary to this Sunni belief, Allah is promising the HE himself has chosen 12 Successors/Leaders for this Ummah. And all these 12 Successors are from Quraysh (and according to some other versions of this tradition, these 12 are from Banu Hashim). Therefore, this tradition became a big problem for Sunni Authorities and they are unable to answer it for the last 14 Centuries. Many of them tried to bring any answer to it, but they always came up with more and more CONTRADICTIONS with each other. Let us see how Sunni Authorities are making every lame excuse, but still unable to bring answer to it. Al-Bayhaqi: This number (twelve) is found till the period of Walid ibn 'Abd al-Malik. After this, there was chaos and disturbance. Then came the Abbasid dynasty. This report has increased the number of Imams. If we neglect some of their characteristics which came after the disturbance, then their number will be much higher." [Reference: Ibn Kathir, Ta'rikh, 6:249; Al-Suyuti, Tarikh al-Khulafa Page 11] Objections: You could see the contradictions between Al- Jawzi and Al-Bayhaqi. Moreover, he is including Fasiq and Fajir and tyrants and Drunkards like Yazid and Marwan and Walid in the list of 12 Allah's appointed Leaders. Astaghfirullah. (Please see the comments of another big Sunni Authority Ibn Kahtir ahead, who is criticizing Al-Bahaqi for this same reason that he included the "transgressors" in his list of 12) Ibn Kathir: Whosoever follows Bayhaqi and agrees with his assertion that Jama'ah means those Caliphs who came intermittently till the time of Walid ibn Yazid ibn 'Abd al-Malik the transgressor comes under the purview of the tradition quoted by us criticizing and denouncing such people. And if we accept the Caliphate of Ibn Zubayr before 'Abd al-Malik the total shall be sixteen. Whereas their total should be twelve before 'Umar ibn 'Abd al-'Aziz. In this method Yazid ibn Mu'awiyah will be included and not 'Umar ibn 'Abd al-'Aziz. However, it is established that the majority of the 'ulama accept 'Umar ibn 'Abd al-'Aziz as a truthful and a just Caliph. [Ibn Kathir, Ta'rikh, 6:249-250] Objections: Ibn Kahtir is absolutely not able to come up to this number of 12. He has absolutely no Idea who these 12 are. Ibn al-'Arabi: We have counted the Amirs after the Holy Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم).s.) as twelve. We found them as follows: Abu Bakr, 'Umar, 'Uthman, Ali, Hasan, Mu'awiyah, Yazid, Mu'awiyah ibn Yazid, Marwan, 'Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan, Yazid bin 'Abd al-Malik, Marwan bin Muhammad bin Marwan, As-Saffah... After this there were twenty-seven caliphs from the Bani Abbas. Now if we consider twelve of them we can reach only till Sulayman. If we take the literal meaning we have only five of them and to these we add the four Righteous Caliphs, and 'Umar bin 'Abd al-'Aziz... I cannot understand the meaning of this Hadith. [Reference: Ibn al-'Arabi, Sharh Sunan Tirmidhi, 9:68-69] Need we to comment any more when Ibn al-Arabi himself accepting the truth that in no way he is able to understand the meaning of this Hadith? Qadi 'Iyad al-Yahsubi: The number of Caliphs are more than that. To limit their number to twelve is incorrect. The Holy Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم).s.) did not say that there will be only twelve and there is no scope for more. Hence it is possible that there can be more.[Reference: Al-Nawawi, Sharh Sahih Muslim, 12:201-202 and Ibn Hajar al-'Asqalani, Fath al-Bari, 16:339] Comments: It was a total failure on his part to come up to the number of 12. Therefore he outright denying this number of 12. Ibn Hajar al-'Asqalani: No one has much knowledge about this particular hadith of Sahih Bukhari. [Reference: Ibn Hajar al-'Asqalani, Fath al-Bari 16:338-341] Comments: Ibn Hajar is one of the biggest Sunni Authority in Hadith. And he is also simply admitting that in no way the Sunni belief of man made Caliphs could come up to the number of 12. Confused? We need another Sunni scholar to finally clarify who these Twelve Successors, Caliphs, Amirs and Imams really are: The famous scholar al-Dhahabi says in Tadhkirat al-Huffaz, vol. 4, p. 298, and Ibn Hajar al-'Asqalani says in al-Durar al-Kaminah, vol. 1, p. 67 that Sadruddin Ibrahim bin Muhammad bin al-Hamawayh al-Juwayni al-Shafi'I was a great scholar of Hadith. The same Al-Juwayni reports from Abdullah ibn Abbas (r) from the Prophet (s) who said, "I am the chief of the Prophets and Ali ibn Abi Talib is the chief of successors, and after me my successors shall be twelve, the first of them being Ali ibn Abi Talib and the last of them being Al Mahdi." Al-Juwayni also narrates from Ibn 'Abbas (r) from the Prophet (s): "Certainly my Caliphs and my legatees and the Proofs of Allah upon his creatures after me are twelve. The first of them is my brother and the last of them is my (grand) son." He was asked: "O Messenger of Allah, who is your brother?" He said, "Ali ibn Abi Talib" Then they asked, "And who is your son?" The Holy Prophet (s) replied, "Al Mahdi, the one who will fill the Earth with justice and equity like it would be brimming with injustice and tyranny. And by the One Who has raised me as a warner and a give of good tidings, even if a day remains for the life of this world, the Almighty Allah will prolong this day to an extent till he sends my son Mahdi, then he will make Ruhullah 'Isa ibn Maryam (a) to descend and pray behind him (Mahdi). And the Earth will be illuminated by his radiance. And his power will reach to the east and the west." Conclusion: Amongst all the Islamic schools of thought, only the Shi'ah Imamiyyah Ithna 'Ashariyyah (Twelver Shi'ites) believe in these individuals as the Twelve rightful successors of the Prophet (s) and obtain their understanding of Islam from them. https://web.archive.org/web/20160909061625/http://www.wilayat.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3529:a-short-guide-towards-Shia-Islam-for-truth-seeking-beginners&catid=185:imamat-general&lang=en&Itemid=108 I see your point brother, however the hadith of 12 successors comes with different additions etc. from their sources. They can try to interpret it however they want, but we don't have to believe in their interpretations as we have our own authentic hadiths about our 12 Imams (عليه السلام). This is not the only hadith which seem to point to the 12 Imams, rather when you look at all the hadiths on the matter from their books, it will be pretty clear on who these successors are. They argue that these 12 Imams do not have to be truthful etc. which in my opinion seem to contradict the other hadiths: First and foremost, we would like to open the eyes of our brothers to a clear reality. Whosoever dies without having giving ba'yah to an Imam dies the death of Jahiliyyah, I.e. as a kafir! Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) may forgive those who failed to recognize the Imam of their time out of innocent ignorance, but not anyone who has read this article. In that case, you would be deliberately opposing Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and His Messenger .Ibn Abu Asim in his book al-Sunnah, page 489 records this hadith:من مات وليس عليه إمام مات ميتة جاهلية Whoever dies without having an Imam dies the death of Jahiliyyah.Shaykh al-Albani in his commentary on the hadith, writes:إسناده حسن ورجاله ثقاتIts chain is Hasan and all of its narrators are Thiqah.Imam Muslim has recorded this one in his Sahih, Kitab al-Imarah:من مات وليس في عنقه بيعة مات ميته جاهلية Whoever dies without having on his neck bayah (to an Imam) dies the death of Jahiliyyah.Lastly, Imam Ibn Hibban has recorded in his Sahih, Volume 7 page 49:من مات بغير إمام مات ميتة جاهليةWhoever dies without an Imam dies the death of Jahiliyyah.The question is: do you have an Imam?Anyway, there are other hadiths here. Shaykh al-Albani in his al-Targheeb wa al-Tarheeb, Volume 2, records this hadith:الأئمة من قريش إن لي عليكم حقا ولهم عليكم حقا مثل ذلك The Imams are from Quraysh. They have equal right over you as I do.Al-Albani says:صحيح It is sahih.So, just as the Holy Prophet has a right of unconditional obedience over us, these Imams too have the same right! Now, this new fact makes things really more complicated for or Sunni brothers. This is because, this hadith means that whosoever deliberately disobeys any of these Imams, of fails to recognize any of them, has committed kufr! It is like deliberately disobeying Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and His Messenger , or failing to recognize them.Some people might claim that there is no Imam at this time! The problem with such assertion is that it presupposes that the Holy Prophet was uttering nonsense, placing an impossible task over his Ummah. We all know that this is impossible. Rather, the Imams from Quraysh will rule the Ummah for all times, good or bad, till the Day of Resurrection. Shaykh al-Albani once again in his Kitab al-Sunnah 1110 records this hadith:قريش ولاة الناس في الخير و الشر إلى يوم القيامة The Quraysh will rule mankind, whether they are in good times or bad times, till the Day of Resurrection.Al-Albani says:إسناده صحيح على شرط مسلم Its chain is sahih on the conditions of (Imam) Muslim.Al-Albani in his Zilal al-Jannah, Volume 2, records:الخلافة في قريش إلى قيام الساعة The khilafah (succession) will remain with Quraysh till Hour.Al-Albani states:إسناده جيدIts chain is good.In his Silsilah al-Ahadith al-Sahihah 1/719, al-Albani records this hadith: [ لا يزال هذا الأمر عزيزا إلى اثني عشر خليفة كلهم من قريش ] . وفي لفظ لا يزال هذا الأمر عزيزا منيعا ينصرون على من ناوأهم عليه إلى اثني عشر خليفة كلهم من قريش . أخرجه مسلم وأحمد وابنه . وله طري أخرى بلفظ لا يزال هذا الأمر ماضيا حتى يقوم اثنا عشر أميرا كلهم من قريش . أخرجه أحمد واسناده صحيح . ‘This affair shall not cease to be glorious up to twelve successors, every one of them being from the Quraysh”. And in a narration “This affair will not cease to be glorious and invincible, conquering anyone who opposes it, so long as twelve successors will rule over them, every one of them coming from Quraysh". Muslim, Ahmad and the son of Ahmad have narrated it. And in a narration: "The religion will continue to be established as long as there are twelve commanders, everyone of them coming from the Quraysh” Ahmad has narrated this, and its chain is sahih. So, the number of Imams from Quraysh, that will rule mankind till the end of the world, is twelve. They are also the true "caliphs" (successors). As long as people allow them to have political power and do not play hypocrisy against them, Islam will become invincible. There is also another aspect to it. In Sahih Muslim we read the following:“The affairs of the people will continue to be conducted as long as they are governed by twelve men, he then added from Quraish”Sahih Muslim, Hadith number 4478 English translation by Abdul Hamid SiddiquiThis shows that as long as humans exist on this Earth, one of the twelve Imams is certainly governing their affairs. This is a matter of Wilayat Takwiniyyah. There are two types of governance in Islam: political and takwini. The true Imams are always exercising Takwini Authority no matter what. However, they may be deprived of political power. But, if they were given political power by Muslims, and none oppose their rule, Islam wopuld become glorious and invincible. The fact that Muslims are backward is proof that they have abandoned these Imams.Al-Albani too has recorded in his Miskhkat al-Masabih 4/576, No. 5:لا يزال أمر الناس ماضيا ما وليهم اثنا عشر رجلا كلهم من قريش The affairs of the people will continue to be conducted as long as they are governed by twelve men, he then added from Quraysh Al-Albani comments:متفق عليهAgreed upon.Al-Albani however cites a further hadith in his Silsilah al-Ahadith al-Sahihah 6/562 on how to deal with these twelve successors: من يعش منكم بعدي يرى اختلافا كثيرا فعليكم بسنتي وسنة الخلفاء الراشدين المهديين بعدي عضوا عليها بالنواجذ Whoever lives after me will see a lot of differences (among Muslims in their religion). Therefore, hold onto my Sunnah and the sunnah of the divinely guided successors after me. Hold onto them with fanaticism.The hadith however dos not end there:وإياكم ومحدثات الأمور فإن كل محدثة بدعة وكل بدعة ضلال Beware of innovations (in the religion). This is because every innovation is a bid'ah, and every bid'ah is misguidance. Al-Albani comments:صحيحIt is sahih.This hadith shows that the Twelve Imams are divinely guided, and that their sunnah is also the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah . They NEVER violate the true Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah . Obviously, the picture is becoming clearer now. Explaining further on the status of these twelve Imams, the Holy Prophet said:قدموا قريشا ولا تقدموها وتعلموا من قريش ولا تعلموها The Quraysh leads and is never led. Also, learn from Quraysh and never (attempt to) teach them.Sahih al-Jami' al-Sagheer, No. 4382Al-Albani says:صحيحIt is sahih.In his Zilal al-Jannah 2/464, al-Albani records this hadith:لا تقدموا قريشا فتهلكوا ولا تخلفوا عنها فتضلوا Never go ahead of Quraysh, otherwise you will perish. And never disagree with them, otherwise you will be misled.Al-Albani keeps mute on its authenticity.Now, Sunnis claim that these Twelve Imams are Abubakr, Umar, Uthman and others. The problem with this assertion is that:1. Abubakr, Umar and Uthman contradicted the Qur'an and Sunnah on so many occasions2. They never claimed to have been divinely guidedTHe only plausible explanation is that these people are the Twelve Imams of the Ahl al-Bayt. This argument is further supported by a Sahih hadith. إني تارك فيكم خليفتين ، كتاب الله حبل ممدود ما بين السماء والأرض وعترتي أهل بيتي ، وأنهما لن يفترقا حتى يردا عليّ الحوض I am leaving among you two successors: the Book of Allah, a rope reaching from the heaven to the Earth and my Itrah, my Ahl al-Bayt. The two will never separate until they meet me at the Pond.Sahih Jami' al-Saghir 1/842 No. 2457Al-Albani once again says:صحيحIt is sahih.So, the Ahl al-Bayt are the true Imams of this Ummah. https://web.archive.org/web/20160909061818/http://www.wilayat.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2638:hadith-of-the-twelve-successors&catid=185:imamat-general&lang=en&Itemid=108 Yes I believe that's correct, I suggest you to check out @Qa'im's work of authentic hadiths about the birth and coming of Imam Mahdi ((عليه السلام)): http://www.imamiyya.com/hadith/qiyam Also check out this thread: If I am not mistaken, all those sub-sects (or at least the majority of them) that were created shortly after the demise of Imam Hassan Askari (عليه السلام) got back to the main stream shortly after. Lets not forget that considering the fact that the majority could leave Imam Ali ((عليه السلام)) or Imam Hussain ((عليه السلام)) in Karbala, then this is not so strange brother. Feel free to correct me if I've mentioned something incorrect, Wsalam
  19. https://web.archive.org/web/20160909061818/http://www.wilayat.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2638:hadith-of-the-twelve-successors&catid=185:imamat-general〈=en&Itemid=108 https://web.archive.org/web/20160909061608/http://www.wilayat.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2641:the-school-an-analytical-discussion&catid=185:imamat-general〈=en&Itemid=108 https://web.archive.org/web/20160909061625/http://www.wilayat.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3529:a-short-guide-towards-Shia-Islam-for-truth-seeking-beginners&catid=185:imamat-general〈=en&Itemid=108
  20. Salam brother So the whole event is fabricated? Or is it perhaps just a version of it? If I remember correctly, doesn't it come through different chains (with differences in the exact wordings) or do these two individuals appear in all chains?
  21. Thank you bro for your valuable input, much appreciated!
  22. What's your opinion about these two hadiths brother? http://www.revivingalislam.com/2012/01/shaking-hands-with-ahlul-kitab.html I know brother but still, would it really make sense that we are allowed to marry them while they are najis? If that would truly be the case, then you'd expect at least someone from the companions of the Imams (a.s) asking them regarding this issue (i.e how it's possible to marry them while they are najis).
  23. Thank you all for your comments. Yes I do know that the najasah only transfers through wetness, but since I can't risk it (due to my issues with doubts) and my hands being a bit sweaty most of the times, It's still pretty tough.. :/ Thank you brother, yes it's correct that the most famous view throughout the time has always been that they are to be considered as najis. What I can't understand is that the same scholars who consider them as najis, usually permit marriage with the Ahlul Kitab women (some even permanently or only temporarily). How can marriage be permitted with them if they are najis? Also wouldn't such hadiths that talk about them being najis contradict the Quran which says that we are allowed to eat their food & marry their chaste women? Interestingly, Sayed Sabah Shubbar mentions that he saw a saying from Sayyed Khoei r.h that goes like "If we gathered up all the evidence, there's a possibility that we can rule them as tahir, however with this very popular opinion that has been around, it's hard for a scholar to give a fatwa on this, so the least is they are najis by obligatory precaution" It seems that most of the scholars who ruled them as najis did so only based on obligatory precaution as it's the most famous view, correct me if I'm wrong. Anyone who could share more hadiths that imply the Ahlul Kitab as being tahir? Sayyed Khoei r.h mentions that there's evidence for that (so there should be more hadiths on the matter). @Qa'im Do you maybe know a few hadiths by hand on this subject brother? Salam brother Thank you for noticing that. My Arabic is not the best, but as I've understood it the Imam (a.s) says that she (the Christian slave) washes her hands. If she would have indeed been najis, there would be no point in her washing her hands (as she would still be considered najis). Correct me if I'm wrong. JazakumAllah kheir dear brothers
  24. Today, majority if not all the scholars consider the Ahlul Kitab as pure even though the view of the classical scholars were mostly that they were considered najis. Since I learnt this, I've always tried to stay on the safe side and always wash my hands etc. when I for example shake hands with Christians. I'm gonna be honest and say it's not the easiest (since a close friend of mine is Christian) and I truly want to believe that they are tahir as I believe that there are proofs for that as well, however I would like to hear some input from knowledgeable brothers here first. I don't want to consider them tahir just on the basis that it would make my life a lot easier living here on the west, rather I want to do that with clear proofs. My thoughts: (1) There are narrations in our books that talk about them being najis (2) There are narrations that imply that they are tahir, for example: سعد عن أحمد بن محمد عن الحسن بن محبوب عن عبد الله بن سنان قال : سأل أبي أبا عبد الله عليه السلام وأنا حاضر اني أعير الذمي ثوبي وأنا أعلم انه يشرب الخمر ويأكل لحم الخنزير فيرد علي فاغسله قبل أن أصلي فيه ؟ فقال أبو عبد الله عليه السلام : صل فيه ولا تغسله من أجل ذلك ، فإنك أعرته إياه وهو طاهر ولم تستيقن انه نجسه فلا بأس أن تصلي فيه حتى تستيقن انه نجسه . Summary: Ibn Sinan asked the imam ; i gave a cloak to a dhimmi (jew or christian) and i know he drinks alcohol and eats pig - he returns it to me; so should i wash it before i pray in it? Imam replied, pray in it and you don't need to wash it for that reason, for you gave it to him in tahir state and you are not sure that he has made it najis, so no problem in praying in it unless you are sure it is najis. [Can't remember the source but it was definitely authentic as it was included in one of Ayatollah Asif Mohsini's books, as you probably know he is one of the strictest scholars when it comes to rijal] Since the narrator specifically mentions drinking alcohol / eating pigs as an issue regarding najasat, this implies that Christians & Jews are not inherently najis correct? Another brother also sent me this hadith: عنه عن أحمد عن إبراهيم بن أبي محمود قال : قلت للرضا عليه السلام الجارية النصرانية تخدمك وأنت تعلم أنها نصرانية لا تتوضأ ولا تغتسل من جنابة ! قال : لا بأس تغسل يديها . [Tahdhib al-ahkam] Summary: Imam Ridha (as) had a christian slave (female) and they asked him regarding najasah and if it's a problem if she doesn't do ghusl or wudhu to purify herself and he said its not a problem (even though they lived in same house etc.) (3) Aren't we allowed to marry women from Ahlul Kitab (at least temporarily)? The classical scholars who held the view that Ahlul Kitab were najis, they did deem it permissible to marry their women though correct? Also If I am not mistaken, Ayatollah Khoie r.h was one of the modern scholars who considered them as najis, but at the same time he held the view that marriage with them was permissible, how is this possible? (4) Now if we are to consider them pure, how do we deal with all the narrations that talks about them being najis? Why would someone make up narrations about them being najis (if we would consider such narrations as weak)? How do we reconcile the two types of narrations? (5) Sunni scholars don't view them as najis (though they believe that even kafirs are tahir). How come they do not have any hadiths from the Prophet s.a.w regarding the najasat of Ahlul Kitab while we have a few from our Imams (a.s)? If anyone could provide some more hadiths on this matter I would really appreciate that. Would love to hear your views on this issue and hopefully help me get my mind around this!
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