أبو فاطمة المحمدي

Muslims are divided into 73 sects, each one interpreting the Qur'an differently from the other. Finding the Truth within Islam is not as simple as it may look.

Just hold this in mind: everything you read is authentic, unless it explicitly contradicts the Qur'an. In Islam, the Qur'an is the Criterion of truth and falsehood. Whatever agrees with it is true, and whatever disagrees with it is false: تَبَارَكَ الَّذِي نَزَّلَ الْفُرْقَانَ عَلَىٰ عَبْدِهِ لِيَكُونَ لِلْعَالَمِينَ نَذِيرًا Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion to His servant that he may be a warner to all the nations. (Qur'an 25:1)

I don't know.

No text of any Islamic sect is considered infallible, except the Qur'an. The Qur'an is the only infallible text. Every book other than the Qur'an contains mistakes.

Sunnis believe that they will see Allah Himself, with their naked eyes.

Apparently, there is someone here who is unable to distinguish between "wipe" and "wash." He thinks they mean the same thing. Rather, he pretends to be stupid enough to think that. He is not a sincere guy. Leave him to his folly. This is not surprising at all, though. This was the same guy who claimed that his eyes could see a being with no shape, form, image or body. He did that to defend the Sunni doctrine that Allah can be seen with the naked eyes - which necessarily results in tajsim. He was desperate then. And here again, he is desperate. Our guy cannot stick to a single reasonable point for long. He jumps from point to point, and changes his positions at will. He contradicts himself quickly and frequently. He does all that, simply to save his illogical sect. He has now destroyed this thread again. He destroyed others too, with his unprincipled methodology: He simply can't make up his mind on any single point.

As-Salam 'Alaikum, The Qur'an (57:3) tells us about Allah in its usually beautiful style: هُوَ الْأَوَّلُ وَالْآخِرُ وَالظَّاهِرُ وَالْبَاطِنُ وَهُوَ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمٌ He is the First and the Last, the Manifest and the Hidden, and He has knowledge of all things. In the Salafi-translated English version of Tafsir Ibn Kathir, we find this under the verse: There are Hadiths mentioned about this. Among them, Imam Ahmad recorded that Abu Hurayrah said that the Messenger of Allah would recite this supplication while going to bed, «اللْهُمَّ رَبَّ السَّموَاتِ السَّبْعِ، وَرَبَّ الْعَرْشِ الْعَظِيمِ، رَبَّنَا وَرَبَّ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ، مُنْزِلَ التَّوْرَاةِ وَالْإِنْجِيلِ وَالْفُرْقَانِ، فَالِقَ الْحَبِّ وَالنَّوَى، لَا إِلهَ إِلَّا أَنْتَ، أَعُوذُ بِكَ مِنْ شَرِّ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ أَنْتَ آخِذٌ بِنَاصِيَتِهِ، أَنْتَ الْأَوَّلُ لَيْسَ قَبْلَكَ شَيْءٌ، وَأَنْتَ الْاخِرُ لَيْسَ بَعْدَكَ شَيْءٌ، وَأَنْتَ الظَّاهِرُ لَيْسَ فَوْقَكَ شَيْءٌ، وَأَنْتَ الْبَاطِنُ لَيْسَ دُونَكَ شَيْءٌ. اقْضِ عَنَّا الدَّيْنَ، وَأَغْنِنَا مِنَ الْفَقْر» (O Allah, Lord of the seven heavens and Lord of the Magnificent Throne! Our Lord, and the Lord of everything, Revealer of the Tawrah, the Injil and the Furqan, the Splitter of the grain of corn and the date stone! I seek refuge with You from the evil of everything whose forhead You have control over. O Allah! You are Al-Awwal, nothing is before You; Al-Akhir, nothing is after You; Az-Zahir, nothing is above You; and Al-Batin, nothing is below You. Remove the burden of debt from us and free us from poverty.) Muslim recorded this Hadith via Sahl, who said, "Abu Salih used to order us to lay on our right side when we were about to sleep, and then say, «اللْهُمَّ رَبَّ السَّموَاتِ وَرَبَّ الْأَرْضِ وَرَبَّ الْعَرْشِ الْعَظِيمِ، رَبَّنَا وَرَبَّ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ، فَالِقَ الْحَبِّ وَالنَّوَى، وَمُنْزِلَ التَّوْرَاةِ وَالْإِنْجِيلِ وَالْفُرْقَانِ، أَعُوذُ بِكَ مِنْ شَرِّ كُلِّ ذِي شَرَ أَنْتَ آخِذٌ بِنَاصِيَتِهِ، اللْهُمَّ أَنْتَ الْأَوَّلُ فَلَيْسَ قَبْلَكَ شَيْءٌ، وَأَنْتَ الْاخِرُ فَلَيْسَ بَعْدَكَ شَيْءٌ، وَأَنْتَ الظَّاهِرُ فَلَيْسَ فَوْقَكَ شَيْءٌ، وَأَنْتَ الْبَاطِنُ فَلَيْسَ دُونَكَ شَيْءٌ، اقْضِ عَنَّا الدَّيْنَ، وَأَغْنِنَا مِنَ الْفَقْر» (O Allah, Lord of the seven heavens and Lord of the Magnificent Throne! Our Lord, and the Lord of everything, Revealer of the Tawrah, the Injil and the Furqan, the Splitter of the grain of corn and the date stone! I seek refuge with You from the evil of everything whose forhead You have control over. O Allah! You are Al-Awwal, nothing is before You; Al-Akhir, nothing is after You; Az-Zahir, nothing is above You; and Al-Batin, nothing is below You. Remove the burden of debt from us and free us from poverty.) And he used to narrate that from Abu Hurayrah from the Prophet .'' By contrast, this is the 'aqidah of Salafis: Allah is literally above the skies. Below Him are His Throne, the seven heavens, the atmosphere, the earth and other creatures. Sometimes, the skies also get above Him. That happens every morning when He literally descends to the first heaven. The other six heavens, at that period, are above Him.

Of what value are your long surahs when none of your salats is accepted by Allah? Without wilayah, none of your good acts is accepted by Allah. Besides, you wash the feet - instead of wiping them as the Qur'an commands. So, you have no wudu, and - as a result - no salats. As such, even if you recite the entire Qur'an in every salat, you are still only doing mere physical exercises. Note that the Khawarij before you recited very long surahs in very beautiful manners. Yet, they are the dogs of Hellfire. Plus, there are probably 800 million or more Sunnis across the world. What percentage of them actually prays five times a day on a regular basis? And what percentage of them recite long surahs? Where are the statistics?

Brother, the Sunni narrations which tell us to WIPE have actually been narrated by TWELVE Sahabah from the Prophet (peace be upon him and his family). That makes them mutawatir too, like the other ones. So, Sunnis really have no valid reason for preferring and highlighting the "wash" narrations over the "wipe" narrations.

Which "thoughts" do you expect exactly? "Thoughts" like "Allah is sitting on it" (which is not in any of the reports anyway)? Plus, we do not judge our ahadith by their chains alone. If it is proved that the Throne is intangible through the Qur'an or through our mutawatir ahadith, then you know what happens to some of those reports.

Farid's mediocre arguments are now your final resort, obviously. That show's how desperate things have got for you folks. Perhaps, you forgot also that there are sahih Sunni ahadith that prove wiping, and mutawatir Shi'i reports that prove wiping. So, leave that [Edited Out]. Now, let us deal with Farid's jokes once again: The Nasibi agrees that "the most apparent conclusion" from wa arjulikum - the second mutawatir recitation - is that the feet must be wiped. Now, this is very interesting since both arjulakum and arjulikum must have the same meaning: otherwise, the same verse would be contradictory to itself. But, Farid cannot accept the clearest meaning of arjulikum - which would also confirm that of arjulakum. His ahadith contradict that apparent meaning of the verse. So, the verse must be bent to agree with the fabricated ahadith of the Ahl al-Sunnah. So, he takes a turnaround, and makes a rather comical submission: So, to Farid the Nasibi, whether you recite it as arjulakum or arjulikum, the meaning cannot be "wipe"! He was forced to do this, in order to compel the verse to agree with his ahadith! But, Farid has not finished yet: Interesting. Isn't it? The same command has been given for both "your heads" and "your feet" in the verse. Yet, that same word means "wipe" for the heads and "wash a little" for the feet! But, wait, wait, Farid still has another U-turn: So, the word "wipe" means "wipe" again - but, not for "your feet" mentioned in the verse, but for "your socks" which are not mentioned anywhere in the Qur'an. Again, Farid here is forcing the verse to agree with some other new Sunni "hadiths." Therefore, so far: 1. Farid claims that the most apparent meaning of "arjulikum" is "wipe." However, he must force it to agree with the Sunni hadiths. So, "arjulikum" refers to "washing" instead. 2. Yet, Farid takes a U-turn and says the same "arjulikum" also means "wipe" if you are wearing socks. 3. Again, Farid claims that "wipe" means "to wash a little." However, when it comes to "your heads," the same term "wipe" means "wipe." Moreover, when you "wipe" your socks, you do NOT have to "wash it a little." Then, Farid explains why he has to go this extreme: If you accept arjulikum in its natural, clear meaning, there would be a contradiction with the orthodox Sunni interpretation of arjulakum. And this would mean that the same verse contradicts itself through its dual recitations. Anyway, I did mention this sahih Sunni hadith in which the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him and his family) has interpreted that verse: حدثنا الحسن بن علي حدثنا هشام بن عبد الملك والحجاج بن منهال قالا حدثنا همام حدثنا إسحق بن عبد الله ابن أبي طلحة عن علي بن يحيى بن خلاد عن أبيه عن عمه رفاعة بن رافع بمعناه قال فقال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم إنها لا تتم صلاة أحدكم حتى يسبغ الوضوء كما أمره الله عز وجل فيغسل وجهه ويديه إلى المرفقين ويمسح برأسه ورجليه إلى الكعبين Al-Hasan b. 'Ali - Hisham b. 'Abd al-Malik and al-Hajjaj b. Minhal - Hammam - Ishaq b. 'Abd Allah b. Abi Talhah - 'Ali b. Yahya b. Khallad - his father - his uncle, Rifa'ah b. Rafi, with similar meaning (as the previous hadith): The Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, said: "The salat of one of you is not complete until he perfects the wudu as Allah the Most High has ordered him: he washes his face and his hands until the elbows, and he wipes his head and his feet until the ankles." Notably, it is the only Sunni hadith which contains the Prophet's own tafsir of that verse - and it has a sahih chain. Apparently, Farid has not offered any grammatical arguments about why "your feet" would jump over the command "wipe" (which is nearer to it) to join "wash" far away. He only ignored the apparent meaning of the verse, and instead forced it to agree with the Sunni ahadith, contradicting himself in the process. Then, he thinks he has convinced anyone with that!

Now that you have resumed your "I have no position" stance, I call it quit with you. Thanks for the entertainment though.

So, you agree that the Qur'an only commands the wiping of the feet, and mentions absolutely nothing about washing them?

So, you agree that the feet must be wiped and NOT washed? Or, are you saying that the feet must be wiped AND washed? Which is it?

When you provide your solid evidences that "wipe" means "wash," then I will answer your questions.

That is a very stupid question. And it is ridiculous and irrelevant.

Are you really sick somewhere? Where has that verse said: "If you go to the bathroom, purify yourselves"? Why are you being so incoherent? What is happening to you?

Did you really read what you wrote? This is one of the most ridiculous arguments I have ever seen. The Qur'an says: "if you are junub, purify yourselves." The Prophet gave us the details of how to purify ourselves when we are junub. And you really think he was "extending" the command in the verse?! Allah save us!

What is the sense in that question? Would you mind explaining?

So, what is your point? That the Prophet (peace be upon him and his family) "extended" the "wiping" in the Verse of Wudu to "washing"? Wow!

Are you saying that when Allah gives a command about how to do a particular act, unless He mentions only, you can change it? For instance, in tayammum, He commands that the head and the feet should be wiped - without adding the word "only." Are you suggesting that we can change that, and therefore wash the head and feet in tayammum instead?

If you wash your head, your wudu is invalid. This is because you have contradicted the explicit command in the Verse of Wudu. The order is to wipe only.

The Qur'an says "wipe your feet." If you wash them instead, your wudu is invalid. If you can wash the feet in order to wipe them, then you should also be able to wash the head in order to wipe it. They have been conjoined together under the same command: wipe. Meanwhile, since you cannot possibly wash your head in order to wipe it, you cannot wash your feet in order to wipe them.

According to your twisted logic, when the Qur'an commands you to WIPE your feet, you can fulfill that command by instead WASHING them. And you think that makes you look responsible and sincere?

A good Shi'i friend of mine has the name "Abu Bakr." He studies now - with that name - at the Hawza in Qum. He was born a Sunni, and so was given that name. More importantly, many of the companions of our Imams (peace be upon them all) had names like Mu'awiyah and Yazid, and they were pious Shi'ah, and the Imams never told them to change their names. Allah does not look at your names. He looks at your iman and piety.