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أبو فاطمة المحمدي

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  1. Basically, you are rejecting the hadith even though you admit that it is authentic? Besides, you are yet to provide any conclusive evidence that prophets are always superior to non-prophets. So, which "evidence" does the hadith contradict? In any case, it is not "one hadith." The same hadith has been narrated by some other Sahabah as well. For instance, this is from Sahih al-Targhib wa al-Tarhib of al-Albani, and it is sahih too: وعن أبي هريرة رضي الله عنه قال قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم إن من عباد الله عبادا ليسوا بأنبياء يغبطهم الأنبياء والشهداء قيل من هم لعلنا نحبهم قال هم قوم تحابوا بنور الله من غير أرحام ولا أنساب وجوههم نور على منابر من نور لا يخافون إذا خاف الناس ولا يحزنون إذا حزن الناس ثم قرأ ألا إن أولياء الله لا خوف عليهم ولا هم يحزنون And this is another sahih one from Sunan al-Tirmidhi: وفي الترمذي عن معاذ بن جبل قال سمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم يقولقال الله تعالى المتحابون في جلالي لهم منابر من نور يغبطهم النبيون والشهداء قال وفي الباب عن أبي الدرداء وأبي مسعود وعبادة بن الصامت وأبي هريرة وأبي مالك الأشعري وهذا حديث حسن صحيح Note the names of the other Sahabah who have narrated the hadith, as listed by al-Tirmidhi. So, are you still going to reject the hadith?
  2. The term used is different from hasad. Hasad is to wish to have the like of what another person has, while also wishing that the other person loses what he has. In other words, person A has $5 while person B has $10. Person A wishes to have $10 while also wishing that person B loses $10. That is hasad. The word used in the hadith is ghabt. Now, see how Ibn Manzur in Lisan al-Arab has defined it: والغبطة أن تتمنى مثل حال المغبوط من غير أن تريد زوالها ولا أن تتحول عنه وليس بحسد Simply put, al-ghabt is to wish to have what another has, without wishing that the other person loses what he has. The part in read reads: "And it is not hasad." I hope you can already see why your friends mistranslated that hadith, and misled innocent ones like you.
  3. What al-Tabari meant is that the verses do not prove what you are trying to prove through them. Not so fast. This is a sahih hadith from Sunan Abu Dawud: حدثنا زهير بن حرب وعثمان بن أبي شيبة قالا ثنا جرير عن عمارة بن القعقاع عن أبي زرعة بن عمرو بن جرير أن عمر بن الخطاب قال قال النبي صلى الله عليه و سلم " إن من عباد الله لأناسا ما هم بأنبياء ولا شهداء يغبطهم الأنبياء والشهداء يوم القيامة بمكانهم من الله تعالى " قالوا يارسول الله تخبرنا من هم ؟ قال " هم قوم تحابوا بروح الله على غير أرحام بينهم ولا أموال يتعاطونها فو الله إن وجوههم لنور وإنهم على نور لا يخافون إذا خاف الناس ولا يحزنون إذا حزن الناس وقرأ هذه الآية ألا إن أولياء الله لا خوف عليهم ولا هم يحزنون Narrated ‘Umar b. al-Khattab: The Prophet, peace be upon him, said: “Verily, among the worshippers of Allah are people who are neither prophets nor martyrs. The prophets and the martyrs will envy them on the Day of al-Qiyamah DUE TO THEIR POSITION TO Allah THE MOST HIGH.” They asked, “O Messenger of Allah, inform us about them?” He replied, “They are a people who love one another with the Spirit of Allah, despite that they are not related by blood and do not give wealth to one another. I swear by Allah, their faces surely will be light, and they will be upon light. They will not fear when the people will fear, and they will not grieve when the people grieve.” Then, he recited this verse {No doubt! Verily, the awliya of Allah, no fear shall come upon them nor shall they grieve}. Besides, Sunnis agree that Prophet 'Isa, 'alaihi al-salam, will be under the leadership of Imam al-Mahdi, 'alaihi al-salam, when both return. That contradicts your earlier statements about Zayd, 'Amr and 'Awf. You can quickly scroll back to refresh your memory. Besides, I gave you the concept of Imamah, as understood in its technical sense. You cannot be an Imam unless you are the leader of the whole earth. That is the concept of Imamah. If you do not get it this time, you can never get it. Your question is illogical. An Imam, technically, is only the one whose responsibility is the entire earth. Do you seriously think each of the 124,000 prophets was responsible for the entire earth? Again, in the technical sense, an Imam is only the leader of the entire earth. But, in the literal sense, every leader - including Shaytan, Obama, Putin, or even a website administrator - is an Imam. Do you really have problems with your comprehension skills? Or, are you only pretending to be that way? A prophet whose responsibility is not the whole of mankind at his time is not an Imam in the technical sense.
  4. We are not discussing infallibility yet. Do not jump. First things first. Well, what is your opinion of Imam al-Mahdi, 'alaihi al-salam. Is he (i) divinely appointed or (ii) to be appointed by the people? Also, will he be (i) infallible or (ii) subject to errors in his religious teachings and practice? And, remember that the Imamah of al-Mahdi is inherited only from the Prophet, from 'Ali through the subsequent Imams, 'alaihim al-salam. It is the same Imamah. وَإِذِ ابْتَلَىٰ إِبْرَاهِيمَ رَبُّهُ بِكَلِمَاتٍ فَأَتَمَّهُنَّ قَالَ إِنِّي جَاعِلُكَ لِلنَّاسِ إِمَامًا قَالَ وَمِن ذُرِّيَّتِي قَالَ لَا يَنَالُ عَهْدِي الظَّالِمِينَ And when his Lord tested Abraham with certain words, and he fulfilled them, He said, ‘I am making you the Imam of mankind.’ Said he, ‘And from among my descendants?’ He said, ‘My pledge does not extend to the unjust.’ Qur'an 2:124 That is the Promise. Imamah will never get to a corrupt person. Sunni Islam claims that Imamah got to Yazid b. Mu'awiyah (I do not want to discuss the other characters yet). So, Sunnis consider Allah's Promise here to be a failed one. I was expecting you to explain how Imamah got to Yazid while Allah's Promise was still true. But, you dodged, as expected.
  5. وَإِذِ ابْتَلَىٰ إِبْرَاهِيمَ رَبُّهُ بِكَلِمَاتٍ فَأَتَمَّهُنَّ قَالَ إِنِّي جَاعِلُكَ لِلنَّاسِ إِمَامًا قَالَ وَمِن ذُرِّيَّتِي قَالَ لَا يَنَالُ عَهْدِي الظَّالِمِينَ And when his Lord tested Abraham with certain words, and he fulfilled them, He said, ‘I am making you the Imam of mankind.’ Said he, ‘And from among my descendants?’ He said, ‘My pledge does not extend to the unjust.’ Qur'an 2:124 Prophet Ishaq and Prophet Ya'qub, 'alaihima al-salam, inherited this same Abrahamic Imamah.
  6. Farid apparently dodged the real issues and tried to create distractions. The primary point of brother Tawheed is that Allah has no constituent parts. In fact, that is the whole essence of Tawhid itself, which means "unification." When you argue that He is made up of constituent parts, then you have "divided" Him. Secondly, the Salafi "god," which Farid worships, is subject to time, place, dimension and direction. Alas, all these four are creatures! How can God be subject to His Own creatures?! Whereas, that is the whole core of Salafi "tawhid."
  7. You know what? Let me teach you how we do things: 1. Whenever you quote Arabic, you must provide clear English translations. It is senseless to just drop Arabic writings, and expect your readers to figure out what you want to say. 2. Whenever you quote a hadith, you must present (i) its Arabic text, (ii) its clear translation in English, and (iii) evidence of its authenticity. If you cannot fulfill these two simple conditions, you have nothing to offer here, except the usual Sunni mediocrity.
  8. Al-Tabari, in his Tafsir, states in his exegesis of the verse that those prophets (and Imams) were preferred over the peoples of their times only: وفضلنا جميعهم { على العالمين } لعني : على عالم أزمانهم That is, even if the context, as suggested by you, is correct. Actually, looking at the Arabic again, the verses can be read in both ways - in yours or in mine. Not every prophet was a leader of the whole earth. More than 99% of them were only leaders of their towns or nations. I already told you that the term "Imam" has a technical meaning as well as a literal meaning. When we talk of Imamah, we mean only its technical meaning. As for its literal meaning, Obama is an "Imam" in that sense; and no Muslim says that. Meanwhile, Sunnis too also give the word "Sahabah" a technical meaning and a literal meaning. If you are willing to play semantic games (ignoring standard arguments), I think I am fully ready too.
  9. The Imam is also the Khalifah. He is also called the Amir, and the Wali, and the Mawla, and the Wasi. All the terms refer to the same person, especially within the context of our Ummah. So, no corrupt person has ever become an Imam? You mean people like Yazid b. Mu'awiyah were not corrupt?
  10. Both talk about Imamah. Thanks for admitting that. As for infallibility, even if you fail to see it in this verse, it can still be proved from other authorities. You have to address the Promise of Allah in Qur'an 2:124 first. I mentioned it, and you ignored it. You think I mentioned it without purpose? Allah promised that NO corrupt person will ever be an Imam. Do you that He has fulfilled His Promise? Or, do you think it is a failed promise?
  11. The verse - while talking about those placed above the worlds - was referring only to those 18 prophets (among whom were Imams). The last part only mentions that among their fathers, brothers and descendants were also "chosen" ones. And, by the way, the entire thread is about Imamah, to begin with. The word "Imam" is a technical term in Islam, and refers only to the sole leader of the earth. If you want to use that word literally, then even Obama, or Bill Gates, or Dr. Who is an "Imam."
  12. Salafis worship a sky man, who floats - every morning - to the lowest heaven and floats back upwards thereafter. That "god" does not exist in reality. So, Salafis are idolaters for worshipping an imaginary sky man.
  13. That is not Qur'an 4:59. My point was about Qur'an 4:59. You are here conceding that the verse is actually about Imamah too. That seems contrary to your other claims. I said that already. It is the core of Shi'ism, actually. Allah promised that He would never let a corrupt person become an Imam. The Promise is in Qur'an 2:124.
  14. There is no mention of al-Madinah or the "caliphate" in that verse. The Ulil Amr hold the Command of Allah. That means that disobedience to them is disobedience to Allah. And there are ahadith in Sunni books which confirm this exactly. The last part of the verse, which you regularly refer to, only establishes that Allah and His Messenger are the sole legitimate authorities in this Ummah. The Ulil Amr themselves must obey and follow Allah and His Messenger. Besides, are you suggesting that the Ulil Amr, who hold the Command of Allah, are people like Obama and King Salman (i.e. secular leaders)?
  15. Again, you are proving nothing. Among the fathers, descendants and brothers of those 18 prophets were Imams, including the Twelve Imams of the Ahl al-Bayt, 'alaihim al-salam. And, if you are confused by the word "chosen" (and you think it refers to nubuwwah alone), then you seriously need to read more. The Imams too, like the prophets, are chosen by Allah. So, you have failed to establish anything with these verses. This statement reveals that your knowledge of Imamah is still amateurish. Every prophet, messenger or Imam is a guide/leader. However, their sizes of responsibility differ. Every Imam is the leader of the whole earth during his time. Every prophet was the leader of his people (who may be just a small village). Also, there can be only one Imam on the earth at a time. Whereas, according to Surat Yasin, three messengers were sent to a single town. So, it is possible to be the best of your time only, and not the best of all times? That is exactly the point I wanted you to admit!
  16. I was actually expecting you to quote that ayah, and you did: And We gave to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob - all [of them] We guided. And Noah, We guided before; and among his descendants, David and Solomon and Job and Joseph and Moses and Aaron. Thus do We reward the doers of good. And Zechariah and John and Jesus and Elias - and all were of the righteous. And Ishmael and Elisha and Jonah and Lot - and to all [of them] We preferred over the worlds. And among their fathers and their descendants and their brothers - and We chose them and We guided them to a straight path. [ The Holy Quran 6:84-87 ] Only 18 prophets have been mentioned in the verses. So, how can you say it has been revealed about "all" prophets? The prophets were 124,000, akhi, not 18. The worst part is that the name of Prophet Muhammad, sallallahu 'alaihi wa aalihi, is omitted. If we go by your logic, then, these 18 prophets were superior to Muhammad. Is that your point? Another point is that many of them - such as Nuh, Ibrahim, Ishaq, Ya'qub, Musa, Dawud, Sulayman and 'Isa - were also Imams. So, the verses also establish the superiority of Imams over all the worlds. Now, let me stretch your methodology a little further: يَا بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ اذْكُرُوا نِعْمَتِيَ الَّتِي أَنْعَمْتُ عَلَيْكُمْ وَأَنِّي فَضَّلْتُكُمْ عَلَى الْعَالَمِينَ O Children of Israel, remember My favor that I have bestowed upon you and that I preferred you over the worlds. Qur'an 2:47 To borrow your question: how then could the Muslims be higher in ranks than the Israelites?
  17. The Imam who is responsible for the whole earth is superior to a prophet who is responsible for only a small town or a nation. That is your simple answer. And Prophet Muhammad who is responsible for this earth and the other worlds is infinitely superior to any Imam, and any prophet, anytime, any day.
  18. No, there is no exception. The Imam is the leader of the earth. وما أرسلناك إلا رحمة للعالمين We have only sent you as a mercy to all the worlds. Qur'an 21:107 تبارك الذي نزل الفرقان على عبده ليكون للعالمين نذيرا Supremely Blessed is He Who has sent down the all-distinctive Criterion upon His bondman that he may be a warner to the worlds. Qur'an 25:1
  19. The highlighted part of the verse clearly mentions "family of Imran." You cannot possibly claim that the family of Imran are the family of Muhammad. They are completely different people.
  20. Thanks for that. Then, would you mind answering these final questions: 1. How do their different responsibilities affect their ranks? Do the sizes of their responsibilities have anything to do with their levels of superiority? 2. Between the three (Zayd, 'Amr and 'Awf), who is the most superior, and who is next after him? Thanks once again, in anticipation of your reply.
  21. Okay, let me explain in more details now. As I mentioned, Imamah is of varying degrees, just as Nubuwwah is also in varying degrees. Some prophets were sent only to a small town. That is the capacity of their nubuwwah. Whereas, some prophets were sent to a whole nation. This was the capacity of their own nubuwwah. Apparently, the nubuwwah with the higher capacity is superior to the nubuwwah with the lower capacity. So, a prophet sent to a nation is superior in rank to a prophet sent to a small town. Prophet Ibrahim, 'alaihi al-salam, was sent to his nation, the Canaanites. This was the capacity of his nubuwwah. But, later, Allah appointed him an Imam for all living human beings at his time. Now, the gap between his nubuwwah and his Imamah was very wide. It is like if the king of Qatar - a tiny statelet - becomes the king of the Asia - including China, Japan and others. Clearly, his bigger office is superior to his smaller office. This is a matter of simple logic: 1. Ibrahim as a prophet was only responsible for Canaanites in a small part of the Middle East. 2. Ibrahim as an Imam was responsible for the whole of humanity, living in Africa, Asia, Europe, the Americas, Australia and others. Naturally, his office of Imamah was bigger and far wider than his office of nubuwwah, and therefore was vastly superior to it. Prophets like Musa and 'Isa were also Imams, in addition to their nubuwwah and risalah, as can be deduced from many ahadith. An Imam typically is responsible for the whole earth, and no prophet before Muhammad, sallallahu 'alaihi wa aalihi, was responsible for more than his nation. So, Imamah was always superior to nubuwwah BEFORE the rise of the Prophet. The nubuwwah of Prophet Muhammad was very different from that of all the other prophets. He was made responsible for all the worlds - the earth, the planets, the entire universe and beyond. The gap between his nubuwwah and that of Prophet Ibrahim, for instance, is immeasurable. Unlike the previous nubuwwahs, Allah also made jinns the responsibility of Prophet Muhammad. Besides, Muhammad was responsible, not just for the people of his time, for also for the billions that will be born till the Day of al-Qiyamah. Now, let me draw this simple table: 1. As a prophet, Muhammad was responsible for the entire universe (not just this earth), and for all human beings and jinns till the end of time. 2. As an Imam, he was responsible for the earth alone, and for all humans and jinns alive at his time alone. You can see that his nubuwwah was vastly superior to his Imamah. There is no rank even near the nubuwwah of the Prophet in status. Meanwhile, the Imams of the Ahl al-Bayt, 'alaihim al-salam, only inherited his Imamah, which was limited to this earth, and to humans and jinns. So, the nubuwwah of the Prophet is superior in all ways to their Imamah. Then, their Imamah is superior to those of the other Imams before them (except Muhammad) because they are also responsible for the jinns of the earth, in addition to humans. The previous Imams were only responsible for humans. I hope this is clear now.
  22. Thanks for that. I apologize for misunderstanding your intention. In the other surahs, basmala is not recorded as the first verse. You can check your Qur'an again. I already quoted to you his words from his website. I think that is explicit enough and sufficient to clear the air. I do not believe that believers in tahrif are infidels. They are Muslims without a doubt. If we declare tahrif believers to be infidels, many of the top Sahabah - including Umm al-Muminin 'Aishah, Ibn Mas'ud and 'Umar - would be caught in the net too. Almost it would be impossible to spare any other Muslim either. The tahrif believers are called infidels by Sunni Muslims, allegedly for contradicting the Qur'an. But, the same reason can be used to declare all modern Muslims infidels, in one way or another. And, since Malik and Abu Hanifah were infidels - according to Sunni Islam - for believing in tahrif, then their followers cannot be on the right path to Allah.
  23. When you answer my simple questions, I will answer yours. I cannot be struggling with your weak comprehension skills, while you refuse attempts to help you. These are the simple questions again: 1. Allah sends Zayd to Egypt. His responsibility is only the people of Egypt. 2. Allah also sends 'Amr to Africa as a whole. His responsibility is all the nations and peoples of Africa, including Egypt. 3. At the same time, Allah further sends 'Awf to the whole world. His responsibility is all the nations and people of the world, including all of those in Africa. Do you seriously think Zayd, 'Amr and 'Awf, in this hypothesis, have the same ranks? If your answer is "yes", then explain how? If your answer is "no", then explain how.
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