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Jafar moh

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  1. !!! wow didnt even realize this i hope its possible if any of the sunni brothers on this forum can contribute to this thread in order we hear your side of everything too
  2. Ephesians 1: 11 In him we were also chosen,[e] having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, 12 in order that we, who were the first to put our hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory. Ephesians 2: 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. could this be of help, @Haydar Husayn? I feel like the highlighted may or may not further facilitate the belief of predestination in Paul -- or i may be taking verses out of context.
  3. hello Sorry to say but you play the victim in every single thread i've seen you contribute. I appreciate your presence in the forums and for the most part is it imperative that sunni brothers like you and others are here in order to gain more information to our jurisprudence. However, no one has been disrespecting or condescending towards you; as @A true Sunni said, you're style of arguing has no end goal. You have been answered, yet you still seem unimpressed... maybe we are not the problem? Salam
  4. seems like you have a sort of personal vendetta against us; I hope you don't think this was a clever question-- because it wasn't
  5. @Yousuf Hello bother, @Enlightened Follower seems to have given a very contextual and easy to understand explanation for 'abrogations' if youd like to call it, in the Quran. I don't exactly see what you mean by one part of the Quran we throw out and one part we keep? Keep in mind that the Quran was not revealed to the people instantly in it's entirety, but rather in a slow process ( ^^'s post says 22 1/2 years ). Allah did not want His religion to overwhelm and exceed the minds of people who previously were kafirs or idol worshippers. It was a slow process and a very effective one at that. ( See the verse about the abrogation with intoxicants)
  6. Does no one else feel like this is not a real post? OP has their own history of silly posts , js
  7. I've seen briefly from some photos and other peoples words that the names of the 12 Imams of Shia Islam are located as small written portraits in the Mosque of the Prophet Muhammed (saws)? Is this true?
  8. unnecessary, i like @Son of Placid's content and for the most part they can be helpful. everyone can make mistakes. @The Batman explained it perfectly
  9. The recent Ahlulbayt Documentaries series is covering one entire documentary on his eminence, and during one part it shows his complete fatwa, also regarding protecting the elderly, sick, the women and children, and the non-muslims, and of whom so enemies who find peace and surrender. 18:35 -- Start of Fatwah 22:38 -- Continuation and evaluation of it hope this helps
  10. In what ways did Muhammed reject this teaching of Jesus? I still have a lot to learn so I sort of need more clarification on that. Also, I might PM you because I'm interested in learning about your view of contradictions in the Quran and Bible. Salam
  11. The same God that Jesus (as) prostrated to in Matthew 26 is the same God that we prostrate to, if that helps answer your question.
  12. thanks, this does help-- but the reason I posed it as a question is because we have very knowledgeable Christian members on this forums who have the flexibility to explain this to me in a sort of Q & A format rather then a read & write. This isn't anything but a means to understand this verse from our members on the site because some of them (most tbh) are very knowledgeable in bible study and I would appreciate their feedback. Again thanks for saving myself some time to help me find these links, much appreciated.
  13. Hello! might be planning to make this a recurring series, anyways I need a little bit of clarification towards this bible verse, primarily from our Christian members. Matthew 10:30-40New International Version (NIV) 30 And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. 31 So don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows. 32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven. 34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn “‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law— 36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’[a] 37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it. 40 “Anyone who welcomes you welcomes me, and anyone who welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me. I very easily look past context and key words in the Bible so at first look, this verse may look a little bit scary but this is why I need it to be clarified. Thanks
  14. Hello! insightful post, however could you clarify this above?
  15. no, my apologies, i misconstrued your comments. You answered adequately; my thread is a bit of an awkward read admittedly does this mean it is possible that - if Jesus was God, would one not be subject to judgement or hell if they did not believe in the Trinity since it isn't exactly 'biblical' ?
  16. sigh, you clearly do not understand what my question was trying to portray. Trust me when I say I have had my fair share of time looking into whether the bible is corrupt... but in the mean time I can give you this: Christianity from the very start was brought down with the same message - to spread the Word of God and to submit to Allah without any partners. Allama Tabatabai in Tafsir Al-Mizan says that the Injeel of Jesus was pretty much identical to 'the other two revelations', that being the Torah and Quran: Specifically, Allama Tabatabai says: First: The Injil mentioned in this verse - and it means Good News - was a book revealed to 'Isa (a.s.); it was not merely a "good news" without a book. But Allah has not given any detail in His Book as to how it was revealed, contrary to what He has done regarding the Torah and the Qur'an. He says about the Torah: He said: "O Musa! Surely I have chosen you above the people with My messages and with My words, therefore take hold of what I give to you and be of the grateful ones. "And We wrote for him in the tablets admonition from everything and clear explanation of all things...(7:144-5). ...he took up the tablets, and in the writing thereof was guidance and mercy for those who fear for the sake of their Lord (7:154). And He says especially for the Qur'an: The Faithful Sprit has descended with it, upon your heart that you may be of the warners, in plain Arabic language (26:193-5). Most surely it is the Word of an honoured messenger, the possessor of strength, having an honourable place with the Lord of the Throne, one(to be) obeyed, and faithful in trust (81:19-21). In honoured books, exalted, purified, in the hands of scribes, noble, virtuous (80:13-16). Although Allah has not mentioned anything regarding revelation of Injil and its particulars, yet the verse under discussion mentions its revelation to 'Isa (a.s.) side by side with the coming down of Torah on Musa (a.s.), and revelation of the Qur'an on Muhammad (may Allah's blessings be on him and his progeny) and it proves that Injil too was a book like the other two. -- copied and pasted my own comment from a previous thread. This goes to show that no, Islam does not believe the Quran teaches opposite of the Bible. What most of the majority muslim belief says is that the trinity and the atonement of Christ are not even biblical. So Sure the Quran teaches opposite the teachings of these two doctrines, but it does not teach opposite the Bible (Islamically). The entire point of this thread was to see different opinions about whether or not THE BIBLE VERSES WERE CHANGED, OR WAS IT THEIR INTERPRETATION THAT WAS CHANGED. Do you see the difference? I'm really not here to debate about who and what is corrupt, and I definitely suggest you take a little extra time looking into the Quran. Tafsir Al-Mizan can be a very big help to you, if you care to look into it. http://www.almizan.org/
  17. Darn. My arabic is a little rusty. Is it possible to find an english translation?
  18. Straight forward question: What does one think of the possibility that the words and verses of the Bibles may not have actually been changed or corrupted-- but the way it was interpreted and broken down in explanation by forefathers during that time was corrupt? The majority Shia belief (including that of Allama Tabatabai) says that it was the apostle Paul who was the first to bring in the doctrine of the Trinity and the Atonement of Christ, ones that aren't quite explicitly mentioned in the NT bible ( ignoring the KJV version, that already has it's own controversial issues in the christian population in general) except for the possible verses that could have been interpreted to show this ideology. Are there references to prominent Shia scholars who definitely believe that the words of the Bible aren't the same as they are right now from before (meaning they were changed)? Salam
  19. Could you reference me on how I can ask sistani questions? I remember before (years ago) I sent numerous questions to the sistani website, and even a bunch to the Sayyed Ammar Nakshawani website. I never get answered... So I sort of just stopped since.
  20. I suggest you have a glass of water to relax, maybe a snickers even ?
  21. " We have sent down to you the Book with the truth, confirming what was before it of the Book and as a guardian over it. So judge between them by what Allah has sent down, and do not follow their desires against the truth that has come to you. For each [community] among you We had appointed a code [of law] and a path,1 and had Allah wished He would have made you one community, but [His purposes required] that He should test you in respect to what He has given you. So take the lead in all good works. To Allah shall be the return of you all, whereat He will inform you concerning that about which you used to differ. "[Quran 5:48] In that sense I see what you now mean, and although the majority of the Christian faith do believe in those major doctrines that the Quran disagrees with (atonement and trinity), you cannot sensibly stir them in the same pot with one who denies those doctrines. A Christian who denies the trinity and the atonement will soon under circumstance accept exactly what the Quran is meaning to imply. There is a big difference between denying and neglecting. A Christian may neglect the salah or the teachings of the prophet because they may have not yet been given sufficient information , but what if they do not agree with the two major Christian doctrines? Call it attempts to please the kuffar and anything you'd like, but it is no secret that once a Christian denies the indoctrination of the trinity and the atonement (thereby denying the deity of Christ), there are no obstacles barring their way to the submission to Allah (swt). It will simply come naturally to them because they will find peace, logic, and reasoning with what the Quran tells us in terms of the Islamic view (because it is how they thought anyways). But we both do not know what is in the heart of Christians, even when they come to this position in their life, so it is best to leave it to Allah's Will. If they seek Him, they will find.
  22. I disagree completely, a Christian who does not follow the doctrine of Trinity nor the 'blood -sacrifice' of Christ to atone for sin is definitely not a kafir in my books. Christianity from the very start was brought down with the same message - to spread the Word of God and to submit to Allah without any partners. Allama Tabatabai in Tafsir Al-Mizan says that the Injeel of Jesus was pretty much identical to 'the other two revelations', that being the Torah and Quran: Specifically, Allama Tabatabai says: First: The Injil mentioned in this verse - and it means Good News - was a book revealed to 'Isa (a.s.); it was not merely a "good news" without a book. But Allah has not given any detail in His Book as to how it was revealed, contrary to what He has done regarding the Torah and the Qur'an. He says about the Torah: He said: "O Musa! Surely I have chosen you above the people with My messages and with My words, therefore take hold of what I give to you and be of the grateful ones. "And We wrote for him in the tablets admonition from everything and clear explanation of all things...(7:144-5). ...he took up the tablets, and in the writing thereof was guidance and mercy for those who fear for the sake of their Lord (7:154). And He says especially for the Qur'an: The Faithful Sprit has descended with it, upon your heart that you may be of the warners, in plain Arabic language (26:193-5). Most surely it is the Word of an honoured messenger, the possessor of strength, having an honourable place with the Lord of the Throne, one(to be) obeyed, and faithful in trust (81:19-21). In honoured books, exalted, purified, in the hands of scribes, noble, virtuous (80:13-16). Although Allah has not mentioned anything regarding revelation of Injil and its particulars, yet the verse under discussion mentions its revelation to 'Isa (a.s.) side by side with the coming down of Torah on Musa (a.s.), and revelation of the Qur'an on Muhammad (may Allah's blessings be on him and his progeny) and it proves that Injil too was a book like the other two. @Chaotic Muslem gave the best and only reference that explicitly calls the people of 'Nazarene', i.e Christians of Jesus (a.s), a people who under the criteria of believing in Allah and Judgement Day as well as good works, will have a place in paradise.
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