ShiaMan14

So Caliph Umar wanted to kill Imam Ali (عليه السلام)? Weren't the first 4 Caliphs "Khalifa-e-Rashidoon" ? Funny that they all wanted to kill each other.

The war was really lost after Siffin, not Egypt. Lieutenant = in charge of a group of soldiers be it infantry or cavalry. So you went from guessing this Sukainah was married to The Butcher or A daughter of Hussain being married to the Butcher. Next, it might change to someone's daughter was married to Musab?

@AmirioTheMuzzy: If our Sunni brethren focused more on understanding the Qur'an rather than just memorizing it: [Shakir 16:106] He who disbelieves in Allah after his having believed, not he who is compelled while his heart is at rest on account of faith, but he who opens (his) breast to disbelief-- on these is the wrath of Allah, and they shall have a grievous chastisement.

My cheeks are augmented too but that is just from being fat

You know it...although I saw them on re-runs.

Okay, this is a bit freaky. I was going to start this exact topic. Knight Rider Air Wolf Street Hawk Chips And a bunch of cartoons.

Simple facade. Great, so you feel Imam Ali (عليه السلام) had a covert role in Umar 's murder because Imam Ali (عليه السلام) said, "I have no role in it" . So is Imam Ali (عليه السلام) a lying murderer or a murdering liar?

Sukaynah used to say, "I never saw a man who did not believe in God who was better than Yazid b. Mu'awiyah."PG173 Tarikh Al-Tabari Vol 19. The head of Imam Husayn ((عليه السلام).) was placed near Yazid, Sayyidah Sakinah ((عليه السلام).) said, “I have not seen a more harsh man than Yazid. Nor is any infidel and polytheist worst and more tyrant than him” Nafasul Mahmun So I was discussing the above narrations presented by Tabari and Qummi in their research and seriously questioning the reliability of Tabari and his pro-Yazid stance. With all else failing, the response I received was: Children + PTSD makes them more suspect esp when we have a case one witness narrating conflicting accounts.Sometimes survivors also exhibit Stockholm syndrome , so there are multiple variables.God knows best , my opinion don’t take any narrations from her at all How should I or anyone respond to this? Just when you think you have heard it all....

@Gabenowa, You know what Allah is called in Arabic Bibles...Allah!!!

You mean the butcher??? Tremendous age gap between them. Also didn't she die in Damascus unless you believe Hz Ruqayya died there and this daughter survived. Right, she must have been against Yazid but then developed Stockholm syndrome and started thinking Yazid was the best person on the world. Makes perfect sense!!! You said "the whole war". I thought you meant the entire war between Imam Ali (عليه السلام) and Muawiya. Please define "whole war". Abdullah was also noted for his standing with Ali in battles. Ibn Hajar quoted Muhammad as having said that Abdullah was like him in character and had taken him by the right hand and prayed to God to extend His mercy over the household of Abdullah bin Ja'far. During Ali's caliphate in Kufa, Abdullah was one of his four chief lieutenants (the other three were Ali's three eldest sons). When Husayn received a request from the men of Kufa to come and lead them, Abdullah urged him not to go unless the Kufans first overthrew their Umayyad magistrates. When Husayn nevertheless left on the expedition that ended at Karbala, Abdullah sent his young sons Aun and Muhammad with his wife, Husayn's sister Zainab. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.religiousforums.com/threads/the-biography-of-Abdullah-ibn-jaffar-Dr.-sayed-ammar-nakshawani.155269/%3famp=1

Sorry brother but I think the first surah of the Qur'an disagrees with you: [Shakir 1:1] In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.[Shakir 1:2] All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds.[Shakir 1:3] The Beneficent, the Merciful.[Shakir 1:4] Master of the Day of Judgment.[Shakir 1:5] Thee do we serve and Thee do we beseech for help.[Shakir 1:6] Keep us on the right path.[Shakir 1:7] The path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favors. Not (the path) of those upon whom Thy wrath is brought down, nor of those who go astray.

Ziarat qabool inshallah. Please convey my Salaam and also pray for me.

brother - Sodom and Gomorah...way before Islam and even Christianity

Earlier on in this thread, @haideriam said that we should consider that if a scholar includes a narration from someone, then that scholar wold have done his due diligence to verify the narration was authentic. Tabari and Qummi refer to her as just Sukainah. She could be "Sukainah bint Al-Hussain" or "Sukainah bint Ali". As far as PTSD goes, even adults could suffer from it so we could reject all narrations from the Ahlul Bayt between Karbala » Damascus » Madinah, correct? Egypt was lost after Siffin so it is too much of a stretch to say the whole war was lost because of this one recommendation. Additionally had Malik made it to Egypt, he may have been able to defeat Amr Al-Aas. In Jamal, Imam Hassan (عليه السلام), Imam Hussain (عليه السلام), Muhammad Hanfiya and Abdullah bin Jafar. He was not a general in any battle.