ShiaMan14

The quotes I provided were from Ayatollah Golpaygani and others provided the same sermon from other marajae. To dismiss the sermon as fake isn't really an attack on me but an attack on the marajae who wrote those books. @Ibn al-Hussain casually dismisses these marajae because he does not consider them worthy historians as he claims himself to be. I am a firm believer that one has to give respect to earn respect so he will continue to be "Random Internet Guy" until he affords our marajae the respect they deserve. Brother - I don’t consider myself to be above any marja so I wouldn't dismiss the opinions of any marja. And I definitely wont dismiss a marja or the work of a marja because I don't consider them worthy historians. @Ibn al-Hussain wants me to take a course for Dummies on when to refer to a marja and when to refer to an expert in other fields. Isn't he essentially saying I am dummy for reading a book by a marja who wrote about a topic not in his area of expertise so the real dummy is the marja for writing a book on a topic he has no business talking about. See below:

What if I re-phrased the question to is Salah the means or an end?

@naqvi syed - pls read through this thread.

Salaam Please reference thread:

I agree with you brother but isn't it equally unideal to dismiss the words of a marja with total disregard because his core expertise may not be in an area a person thinks to be worthy? They have earned the right not to be dismissed meagerly IMHO. I think it is perfectly reasonable to pit one marja against another on their comments, lectures, books, etc but I don't agree with outright dismissal.

Great answer. I really like the bold above.

Getting back to the topic, my opinions of Hz. Fatima (عليه السلام) and Caliph Abu Bakr do not change whether the Sermon is authentic or fake.

Of course I answered for me. I know you like sitting on the fence but I will ask this question any way. Ayatollah Lotfollah Safi Golpaygani cites the Sermon of Fadak. @Ibn al-Hussain says it is fake. Who do you believe?

Are you saying Lotfollah Safi Golpaygani is a legitimate Ayatollah? Others on this thread are angry at me for using his book as a reference guide.

I think you should be more confrontational like Imam Hussain (your words, not mine) and come at me directly rather than these veiled attacks. Here is a book on how to be a man: (Of course I am not well read to know if this will be enough but a place to start). Is your anger and frustration directed at me because I cited a book by a GRAND AYATOLLAH. What you are really saying is that Lotfollah Safi Golpaygani should stay in his lane and not write books on history because that is not his area of expertise. But given that he has written such a book, he either did it out of ignorance or out of malice. Either way, his title should be rescinded from him because who wants an ignorant or mal-intent ayatollah. Do I have it right? You should further direct your anger at Al-Islam.ORG for publishing a book on their website written by an IGNORANTOLLAH. While you are at it, let's start a movement to remove all books with any history in them written by Ayatollahs who do not have your seal of approval as Historians. See now that would be a valid comment. I cite an Ayatollah who confirms it, you cite an ayatollah who rejects it and we can discuss their merits. But you don't even mention the name of your Ayatollah. Could it be because he is not a historian? That would put you in a bind becuase if you believe a non-Hisotrian Ayatollah about history, then same would be applicable to me? Hmmmm.....

Looking at the big picture, do you rely on words from people who have earned the title of Ayatollah or information from a random Internet guy? It's probably a tough choice for you, not so much for me.

You know me too well brother... History is always a debatable topic. There are always going to be narrators considered reliable by some and unreliable by others.

A day late but I hope everyone remembered to pray this last night in the US. Lunar Eclispe - Jan 20 2019:

Any updates on this?

Indeed. I am going to start a petition to remove the title of Ayatollah from the fake marja Lotfollah Safi Golpaygani. Some crazy people think he is the most senior cleric in Iran after Ali Khamenei. Down with Faketollahs!!! Long live Internetollahs!!!