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GreatChineseFall

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  1. I doubt many did. By the way, you mean revealed regarding Imam Ali (AS) right?
  2. What are you talking about? Why does he claim it for himself and why was there a dispute between him and Ali, her husband regarding the property?
  3. Please, if you start talking about the Matrix I already know what time it is. So anything that goes against the interest of the Ummayyads and Abbasids must be true and whatever is in their interest is obviously fabricated? How does that work actually? What have you read up until now?
  4. First of all, Pharoh? Do you mean Pharaoh? Masseha? Do you mean prophet Isa? What have the Pharao, prophet Isa and Khidr got to do with each other? By the way, now all of a sudden the example doesnt cover the details and you want to discuss what is actually believed? Second of all, you can try to rationalize it as much as you want and come up with all sorts of analogies, but you only delude yourself. People can go on vacation as much as they want, I dont have a problem with that. What is ridiculous to claim is saying that a person on vacation can manage a business. Believe me, such a pers
  5. You can keep repeating yourself, but you have simply nothing to stand on. The Prophet's words are clear.
  6. You should read the verse more carefully: Sahih International Allah instructs you concerning your children: for the male, what is equal to the share of two females. But if there are [only] daughters, two or more, for them is two thirds of one's estate. And if there is only one, for her is half. And for one's parents, to each one of them is a sixth of his estate if he left children. But if he had no children and the parents [alone] inherit from him, then for his mother is one third. And if he had brothers [or sisters], for his mother is a sixth, after any bequest he [may have] ma
  7. Hilarious, twelver shia's are one of the last to speak about what makes sense and challenge sunni's about that. Why dont you concern yourself with your own predicament first? "A" establishes one of the most succesfull glass factories of all time. He appoints a successor and hands it over to "B" who later on hands it over to "C", and so on up until the twelfth successor of "A", "M"."M" however decides to go on a long vacation only a few minutes after having been installed. It is promised that he will still manage the company from his place of vacation by the use of internet and all the cam
  8. Keep me out of it, you still havent told me what Zayd did wrong here: Sahih International And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, "Keep your wife and fear Allah ," while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And
  9. What historical sources are you talking about? You mean at Tabari who can have over 50 different narratives about the same incident and then you quote the one you find shia's quoting? Tell me, which historical book have you read from cover to cover actually?
  10. I cant help much further as far as English goes. Tafsir al Mizan is probably your best guess. al Tabataba'i apparently accepts the narration about the Prophet getting bewitched but he says that he was only bodily affected not mentally:
  11. Salam, I see that you have been banned unfortunately, maybe it will be reversed but I still have a few comments to add: As I said earlier and I will say again, for the third time now, I dont have a problem with calling it a leader. The extent of leadership is clear from the definition. Let's agree then and no sunni will disagree with you that an Imam is a leader, so now what? Does that mean that any leader you imitate and follow must be divinely designated? Because no sunni will agree with you on that. By the way, say goodbye to the maraji' taqleed then as well. But then you'll say
  12. Salam aleikum, I dont know if you can find it in english books but this narration is also present in Hurr al Amili's Wasail as Shia and in Tusi's al Istibsaar.
  13. Wa alaikum salam, I am fine thanks, hope you are well too. Sorry for the delayed response. Let's first start with this then: Tafsir at Tabari: يعنـي جل ثناؤه بقوله: { إنّـي جاعِلُكَ للنّاسِ إماماً } فقال الله: يا إبراهيـم إنـي مُصَيِّرك للناس إماماً يؤتـمّ به ويقتدي به. Allah said: " O Ibrahim, it is indeed your destiny that you will be an Imam for the people, following you and imitating you" Tafsir al Qurtubi: السابعة عشرة: قوله تعالى: { إِنِّي جَاعِلُكَ لِلنَّاسِ إِمَاماً } الإمام. القُدْوة؛ ومنه قيل لخيط البناء: إمام، وللطريق: إمام؛ لأنه يؤم فيه للمسالك، أي ي
  14. Hard to tell and I am in no position to say something about that. Kitab Sulaym ibn Qays doesnt really fit later shia's or early shia's so its kind of a mystery. You do find references to it in the generation of al Kulayni and so on.
  15. The people definitely refers to all people present and future which is the usual meaning of the word without any restrictions. If there is one thing that should be clear from the verse then it should be this, it is even confirmed by the next verses: Sahih International And [mention, O Muhammad], when Abraham was tried by his Lord with commands and he fulfilled them. [ Allah ] said, "Indeed, I will make you a leader for the people." [Abraham] said, "And of my descendants?" [ Allah ] said, "My covenant does not include the wrongdoers." Sahih Internat
  16. No it's not just remembering and yes, he is a leader because his example is followed, so he leads us by showing us how to live and believe. The verse is saying that Allah will make him an example that is to be followed. Call it an example or a leader, our disagreement is not the wording, it's clear to me that I believe that it's talking about leadership in terms of being followed and you believe it is talking about leadership in terms of being obeyed. I don't see how you can derive that from the verse, it's quite obvious that he is an Imam to mankind and to later generations just as much as he
  17. I dont think it was that significant, at least not at that time. I just believe its somewhat early where if I recall correctly there are narrations where the Imams are named up to Imam al Baqir, the rest are from al Baqir's descendents so the names were not even known, the downfall of Bani Umayya was predicted at the hands of al Mahdi etc. and simply the fact that it doesnt completely fit shia doctrine as is usual for early works that dont fit into a particular doctrine.
  18. I dont see a problem with quoting verses as it's the basis people do not differ about. I also dont think your answer about the just community was adequate enough, I just added more verses to provide context. Yes, context is everything and I am arguing that the context in all those verses is similar. What I object to is the impression given that a divine right is given by Allah when it is said that Allah has made something in this context. No, Allah didnt give the people a right to be just or designated them to be a just community, which doesnt make sense in this context as being just is an obl
  19. The duties mankind has as revealed by Allah in the Qur'an (ie worshipping Allah, establishing justice and prohibiting corruption on earth) Being a leader is in of itsself a duty, so the duty of leading others to guidance
  20. Their influence was minimal during the Prophet's lifetime and it's a fair assumption that it continued to be so after him unless evidence is provided to prove otherwise.
  21. The problem is not what you call divine, the problem is the connotation it carries. For sunni's everything that happens is because Allah is choosing it to be so, if that is what is meant then there is no problem with calling something to be divine nor does there seem to be a prohibition then to do something as a result of consultation. What shia's actually mean is that it is by direct divine intervention or revelation with no human interference. In that case, just pointing to a verse saying that Allah has "made/assigned" something to be, doesnt prove the shia's understanding. I already don't s
  22. The OP is asking about hypocrites who are by definition kuffar(depending on what you understand being a hypocrite means). So if you set out to find who hypocrites were, then you are accusing them of kufr.
  23. People need to explain what they mean when they something is Divinely made so. Sahih International And thus we have made you a just community that you will be witnesses over the people and the Messenger will be a witness over you. And We did not make the qiblah which you used to face except that We might make evident who would follow the Messenger from who would turn back on his heels. And indeed, it is difficult except for those whom Allah has guided. And never would Allah have caused you to lose your faith. Indeed Allah is, to the people, Kind and Merciful. The making of s
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