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Skanderbeg
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Ask the People of the Book or better said Ask them what is in their Book is said in the sense that the stories that Allah revealed to Muhammad s.a.w. are still existing in the Book and therefore are no fairy tales.
But I understand it's loopy for some people because the Quran is the Criterion that shows what is still authentic and what is not and the condition is that one should believe in the Quran as the Word of Allah.
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5 hours ago, Bukhari8k said:
1. I said to Al-RiDaa (عليه السلام): ‘O son of the Messenger of Allaah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم). The people narrate that the Messenger of Allaah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) said: “That Allaah (عَزَّ وَ جَلَّ) created Adam in His image.” So he(عليه السلام) said: ‘May God kill them! They have deleted the beginning (part) of the hadeeth. The Messenger of Allaah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) passed by two men who were abusing each other. He (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)heard one of his companions say, ‘May Allaah deform your face and of everyone who resembles you!’ So he (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) said to him: ‘O `Abd Allaah! Do not say this to your brother since indeed Allaah (عَزَّ وَ جَلَّ) created Adam in His image.’”
Source: Al-Sadooq, `Uyoon Al-Akhbaar Al-RiDaa, vol. 1, ch. 11, pg. 119, hadeeth # 12; Al-Sadooq, Al-TawHeed, ch. 12, pg. 152, hadeeth # 12
2. Regarding explanation which you don't require as your mind is clear but still al-Murtada deems it important to explain the phenomena:
Here is what Al-MurtaDa says:
"It is not necessary that this khabar (hadeeth) apparently implies tashbeeh (likening) and that Allah has an image. We say our answer is: That the ‘haa’ in Sooratuh, if this statement is SaHeeH, is that it goes back to Adam not Allah. And that the meaning is that The Most High (Allaah) created Adam in the image that he was when He seized him (i.e. died). And that he did not change in the image through growth or anything similar like other humans.”
Source:
1. Al-MurtaDa, Tanzeeh Al-Anbiyaa, pg. 127Salam,
It's clear that Al-Murtada isn't comfortable with the hadith as well and tries to de-antropomorphosize it while there are sunni scholars who love to emphasize the claim that man is created in God's image. Must be jewish ancestry or influence or something.
The Judaization of Islam started with the interrest of Umar for the Taurat and consulting the converted jew Ka'ab al-Ahbar. This consulting of him continued during the caliphate of Uthman as well as Muawiya the governor who also consulted him often,
This Ka'ab told Umar to put the altar of the Dome of the Rock towards the sakhra (Jewish Qiblah).
I can't say that there is no Israiiyat influence in Shi'a ahaadith for there is but there are elements of Israiliyat incorporated in the creed of Sunni Islam and it should be located and erased. -
Salam Sunnibro,
The explanation and meaning of the ahaadith about man created in the image of Allah according to a Salafi Q&A site:
QuotePraise be to Allaah.
Al-Bukhaari (6227) and Muslim (2841) narrated from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah created Adam in His image, and he was sixty cubits tall. When he created him he said, ‘Go and greet that group of angels who are sitting and listen to how they greet you, for that will be your greeting and the greeting of your descendents.’ So he said, ‘Al-salaamu ‘alaykum (peace be upon you),’ and they said, ‘Al-salaamu ‘alayka wa rahmat-Allaah (Peace be upon you and the mercy of Allaah.’ So they added (the words) ‘wa rahmat-Allaah.’ Everyone who enters Paradise will be in the form of Adam, but mankind continued to grow shorter until now.”
Muslim (2612) narrated that Abu Hurayrah said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When any one of fights his brother, let him avoid the face, for Allaah created Adam in His image.”
Ibn Abi ‘Aasim narrated in al-Sunnah (517) that Ibn ‘Umar said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do not say ‘May Allaah deform your face’ [a form of cursing in Arabic], for the son of Adam was created in the image of the Most Merciful.” Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn al-Ghunaymaan (may Allaah preserve him) said: “This hadeeth is saheeh and was classed as such by the imams and by Imam Ahmad and Ishaaq ibn Raahawayh. Those who classed it as da’eef have no evidence, except for the view of Ibn Khuzaymah, but those who classed it as saheeh are more knowledgeable than him.
Ibn Abi ‘Aasim also narrated (516) that Abu Hurayrah said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When any one of you fights let him avoid the face, for Allaah created Adam in the image of His Face.” Shaykh al-Albaani said: its isnaad is saheeh.
These two hadeeth indicate that the pronoun in the phrase “in His image” refers to Allaah, may He be glorified.
Al-Tirmidhi (3234) narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “My Lord came to me in the most beautiful image and said, ‘O Muhammad.’ I said, ‘Here I am at Your service, my Lord.’ He said, ‘What are the chiefs (angels) on high disputing about…’” Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.
According to the lengthy hadeeth about intercession, it says, “… then the Compeller (al-Jabbaar) will come to then in an image different than the image in which they saw Him the first time…” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 7440; Muslim, 182.
From these ahaadeeth we learn that it is proven that Allaah has an image (soorah in Arabic), in a manner that befits Him, may He be glorified and exalted. His image is one of His attributes which cannot be likened to the attributes of created beings, just as His essence cannot be likened to their essence.
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said: “The word soorah (image) in this hadeeth is like all the other names and attributes narrated (in the texts) where the words used may also be applied to created beings, in a limited manner. When these words are applied to Allaah, they carry a unique meaning, such as al-‘Aleem (All Knowing), al-Qadeer (All-Powerful), al-Raheem (Most Merciful), al-Samee’ (All Hearing), al-Baseer (All-Seeing), and such as His creating with His hands, rising above the Throne, etc.” Naqd al-Ta’sees, 3/396
Everything that exists must inevitably have a form or image. Shaykh al-Islam said: “Just as everything that exists must have attributes that, so too everything that exists by itself must have a form or image. It is impossible for something that exists by itself not to have a form or image.”
And he said: “There was no dispute among the salaf of the first three generations that the pronoun in the hadeeth refers to Allaah, and it is narrated through many isnaads from many of the Sahaabah. The contexts of the ahaadeeth all indicate that… but when al-Jahamiyyah became widespread in the third century AH, a group began to say that the pronoun refers to something other than Allaah, and this was transmitted from a group of scholars who are known to have knowledge and to follow the Sunnah in most of their affairs, such as Abu Thawr, Ibn Khuzaymah, Abu’l-Shaykh al-Asfahaani and others. Hence they were denounced by the imams of Islam and other Sunni scholars.”
Naqd al-Ta’sees, 3/202
Ibn Qutaybah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “That Allaah should have an image is no stranger than His having two hands, fingers or eyes. Rather those are readily accepted because they are mentioned in the Qur’aan, but this idea (image or form) is regarded as strange because it is not mentioned in the Qur’aan. But we believe in them all, but we do not discuss how any of them are.”
Ta’weel Mukhtalif al-Hadeeth, p. 221
Shaykh al-Ghunaymaan said: “Thus it is clear that the form or image is like all the other divine attributes. Any attribute which Allaah has affirmed in the Revelation, we must affirm it and believe in it.”
Sharh Kitaab al-Tawheed min Saheeh al-Bukhaari, 2/41
Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked: There is a hadeeth narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in which he forbids saying “May Allaah deform your face”, and says that Allaah created Adam in His image. What is the correct belief with regard to this hadeeth?
He replied:
This hadeeth is proven from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), in which he said: “If any one of you strikes (another), let him avoid the face, for Allaah created Adam in His image.” According to another version: “In the image of the Most Merciful.” This does not imply resemblance or likeness.
What is meant, according to the scholars, is that Allaah created Adam with the ability to hear and see, and to speak when he wants. These are also attributes of Allaah, for He is All-Hearing, All-Seeing, and He speaks when He wants, and He has a Face, may He be glorified and exalted.
But it does not mean that there is any resemblance or likeness. Rather the image of Allaah is different from that of created beings. What is meant is that He is All-Hearing, All-Seeing, and He speaks when He wants, and He created Adam also able to hear and see, with a face and hands and feet. But man’s hearing is not like Allaah’s hearing, his seeing is not like Allaah’s seeing, his speaking is not like Allaah’s speaking. Rather Allaah has attributes that befit His majesty and might, and man has attributes that befit him, attributes that are finite and imperfect, whereas the attributes of Allaah are perfect, with no shortcomings, infinite and without end. Hence Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“There is nothing like Him, and He is the All‑Hearer, the All‑Seer”
[al-Shoora 42:11]
“And there is none co‑equal or comparable unto Him”
[al-Ikhlaas 112:4]
So it is not permissible to strike the face or say “May Allaah deform your face”.
End quote. Majmoo’ Fataawa al-Shaykh, 4/226
Another thing that will help to explain the meaning of this hadeeth is the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “The first group to enter Paradise will be in the image of the moon” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3245; Muslim, 2834.” What the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) meant here is that the first group will be in human form, but because of their purity, beauty and brightness of face they will look like the moon, so they are likened to the moon, but without resembling it. So just because a thing is said to be in the image of a thing it does not mean that it is like it in all aspects.
The Prophet’s words, “Adam was created in His image” means that Allaah created Adam in His image, for He has a face, an eye, a hand, and a foot, and Adam had a face, an eye, a hand, and a foot… but that does not mean that these things are exactly the same. There is some similarity, but it is not exactly the same. Similarly the first group to enter Paradise are likened to the moon, but they are not exactly the same. This confirms the view of Ahl al-Sunnah wa'l-Jamaa'ah, who say that none of the attributes of Allaah can be likened to the attributes of created beings, without distorting or misinterpreting, or discussing how or likening Him to His creation.
See Sharh al-‘Aqeedah al-Waasitah by Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Uthaymeen, 1/107, 293.
For more information, see: Sharh Kitaab al-Tawheed min Saheeh al-Bukhaari by Shaykh al-Ghunaymaan, 2/33-98, in which he quotes at length from Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him), refuting the misinterpretation of this hadeeth by ahl al-kalaam and those who agreed with them.
And Allaah knows best.
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2 hours ago, GreatChineseFall said:
People exposed themselves according to you, Saqifa, the burning of the door, the miscarriage, the taking away of the Caliphate, the not giving Fadak while it was a gift.
Not according to me but according to your sources, my sources and historical accounts.
QuoteIf that is correct and people already exposed themselves, why was it needed for the Ahl al-Bayt to expose them more while doing things that are not allowed under normal circumstances ( like asking for something on false grounds, participating in an ungodly process, handing leadership over to an unfit person? And regardless, where does the permissibility come from?
- Asking for something on false grounds: Who refused Fatima a.s. to give her inheritance to her and was it her right to ask her inheritance?
- Participating in an ungodly process: Who made this proces ungodly? Why was it ungodly? Was it ungodly in itself or because of the conditions that were made?
- Handing over leadership over to an unfit person: Who was unfit? And whose fault was it that he was unfit?
The Ahl Al-Bayt a.s. just did what they had to do and they are not responsible for the deeds of the perpetrators.
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2 hours ago, GreatChineseFall said:
The truth is that the wives were addressed here and personally I consider the denial as one of the weakest arguments from shia's. But the fact that they are so dependent on it for the entire ideology and creed certainly speaks volumes.
The revelation and meaning of the last sentence of the verse is confirmed in an authentic Sahih Muslim hadith which adresses the ones under the Cloak as those who are purified.
Now you can come with books and libraries to prove your point but the truth is right before your eyes. Plain and simple. And in your own sources as well.
Just accept it.
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1 hour ago, Student_of_Deen said:
if so then why didn`t the other Sons of Imam Hassan got a chance to become an infallible Imam ? why was Imam Zaynul Abideen (ra) was chosen but not the the sons of Imam Hassan who were alive at that time ?
Why was not all the offspring of Ibrahim a.s. part of Imamate. Why were not all of Bani israel prophets and some not?
These questions .....
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1 hour ago, GreatChineseFall said:
Good, then these actions by them were not needed. So why did they do these things then?
Who did what?
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2 hours ago, GreatChineseFall said:
What is definitely confirmed by the Quran can't be denied by any narration, this is a principle everyone (especially you) should abide by. It simply can not be read in any way excluding the wives.
The inclusion of some does not result in the exclusion of others.
Only if this part of the verse wasn't revealed separated from the former part.
The verse does actually consist of two sentences and the part which we are discussing is surprisingly the complete second sentence.
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14 minutes ago, GreatChineseFall said:
I don't think you see the problem. The head of FIFA might have been exposed early too if someone prostituted himself. That doesn't mean it's allowed. Where does the permissibility come from first? Since when is it allowed to do these things just to expose people?
These people are actually exposing theirselves. Not the one or the ones who set up the conditions.
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9 minutes ago, GreatChineseFall said:
That was addressing primarily the wives of the Prophet.
That part came down after the event of Muhabala according to Shi'a and Sunni narrations. The Sunni narration of Sahih Muslim is already mentioned.
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20 minutes ago, zainabamy said:
It astounds me how many times I've seen good and honest people being hurt by complete jerks for no good reason. The guy's ego must have been hurt when his friends at the mosque didn't approve. It literally does not make any sense to me.
Maybe jealousy so they gave him the feeling break up would be better. (Because they couldn't ave what he have.)
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8 minutes ago, Son of Placid said:
I'm the guy who says "Hi" at the first sign. Yes, it puts people off their game when you speak to them. Got to remember that everyone is different, maybe your fly was down. Maybe he didn't see anything else to look at. Maybe he saw something in your life he can't have. If you gave opportunity you might have found out what his trouble was.
A cold stare doesn't do anything to someone who also has a cold stare. If he was watching you while you were eating you could always ask if he was hungry. If he says yes, it gives opportunity for a good deed. If he says no then you could say you misunderstood his staring. That leaves him to explain. Chances are he stops talking and looks at the floor.
If he looked at your shirt, ask if he likes it and tell him where you got it. If he doesn't respond positively to that then say you misunderstood his staring. If he's looking at your wife, then tell him where she shops... Oh, sorry, I misunderstood your staring...
It doesn't much matter what you ask him as long as you misunderstood his staring.
Yeah, we all know what he was staring at. If you have a beautiful wife and family, expect it.
I like your approach!
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2 minutes ago, Son of Placid said:
Tall, white and gorgeous.
We talked about it a few times, (before and after). Actually she was leaning towards Christianity, but young and open to religion. He could have had an awesome wife.
Did she convert or wasn't that enough?
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2 minutes ago, Son of Placid said:
In Calgary the majority of Muslims are Ismaili and very tolerant of their own, Christians, Jews and kafir, but not so much the Sunni and Sikhs. The Sunni are a different brand. They even look at you different. I know a girl who married a Sunni and did everything she could to please him and his Mosque (including Muslim dress and hijab), but to no avail. When the Mosque did not accept her the beatings started. She is now legally divorced, but not by their standards.
That is my only bad example.
What was her religion/sect?
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Mosques nowadays are too much culturally divided.
The language of the country of residence itself should be the first language however.
That's the first step because when I visit a Turkish mosque in Germany for examle and being a converted german then in what way will the visit benefit me except for praying in the mosque? -
Not at all. My only problem at the moment is you.
Go find another play fellow. I'm not interrested. -
On 10-1-2016 at 3:12 AM, Tawheed313 said:
It is of the 12th Imam a.s, and indeed his race does not matter, but it is historically interesting to know. Furthermore, to those who decide to take up the erronous duty of actually drawing our imams a.s, they need to rectify drawing them all as arab-persians.
The drawings aren't reliable anyway. Moreover, The newest pictures of Christ are represented by Bradd Pitt.
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Go somewhere else and play funny guy there.
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Yes I felt it, then verified it and once it was clear as water that he was staring again I looked him right in the eyes.
Coincidence?
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47 minutes ago, neverforgotten313 said:
speaking does wonders with strangers , and the description you give seems very paranoid, maybe it was all in your head, after all:
Ah ok so when someone is sitting next to you and you feel he is looking at your direction all the time and then you verified it several times untill one time he stares again and you look him right in the eyes staring at your direction and keeps on staring at you?
Is to become uncomfortable at that a sign of paranoia or should you ask yourself and the guy what's wrong?
I'm not crazy or paranoid dude. I know what's going on.
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10 minutes ago, starlight said:
Salaam,
The only thing I find 'abnormal' in your reaction is that you got upset. It's best to stay calm. If I were in your place, what I would have done is , I would have gone to the that guy, said salam or hello in a friendly way and asked him "It appeared that you were looking at me and my family? maybe you were confusing us for someone you know??" then I would have a short chat on the lines of 'where are you travelling to?' asked about his work etc.
Most people are not ready for such a direct reaction and are taken aback and not able to come up with a good answer. Good chances are they would stop staring after this conversation. It important to handle the situation amicably, never a good idea to get in a heated confrontation when you are with women and kids.
@zainabamy I also ignore most people who stare, but when you are a man and and another man is staring at your wife and kids then its a different situation.
Salam,
Well it's about honour.
When a male feels that another male doesn't respect him especially in the case of marital relationships temperature rises very quick.
My ancestors are from a tropical region and we aren't as easy or cool as West-Europeans for example. (Although I must admit that I am still an easy kind of guy compared with most people of my kind.)
And I know that most Moroccans and Arabs would feel the same way as well. I was raised with Moroccans and Arabs so I know them as myself.
Are the Wives of the Prophet part of the Household or not?
in Shia/Sunni Dialogue
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First of all I did not said sons. I said offspring.
The question was:
Why was not all the offspring of Ibrahim a.s. part of Imamate?
And we know the answer of Allah to that question.
Who decided Imam Ali a.s. to be the successor of Muhammad s.a.w.?
Same principle for the next and then the next and then the next and then the ..