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  1. Hi Arminmo, To go now to the incident of the adulteress, you mentioned in John 8:2 Now early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people came to Him; and He sat down and taught them. 3 Then the scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. And when they had set her in the midst, 4 they said to Him, “Teacher, this woman was caught in adultery, in the very act. 5 Now Moses, in the law, commanded us that such should be stoned. But what do You say?” 6 This they said, testing Him, that they might have something of which to accuse Him. But Jesus st
  2. Hi HamidCZ, This is a very informative discussion and I don’t want to intrude, but I would like to add something about the faulty trinity doctrine. --- I am not a Trinitarian, and though my profile reads Shia Islam, I am a Christian as my profile used to say, and I have asked the Moderators to change it back. --- However I am learning more from the insight of you and Allah Seeker, --- And I agree with him on one point. Quote from his post: “There is no religious denomination on earth, or sect, that has even anything near to perfect worship.” And your response Quote: “Wrong bro,
  3. Hi Arminmo, To continue: “But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself.” --- These acts of mercy and forgiveness are the ‘good works’ that ‘layup treasure in heaven.’ The next verse is Surah 5:46 And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: (or the injil) Notice that this verse starts with ‘and,’ meaning that it is a continuation of the previous verse, “ And We (God) sent the Gospel meaning ‘Good News.” And the meaning of Injil online is Quote: "I
  4. Hi Arminmo, Quote: Why does the Quran say to judge by the Torah and Injeel? But why do they come to you for judgment when they ˹already˺ have the Torah containing Allah’s judgment, then they turn away after all? They are not ˹true˺ believers. (5:43) So let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed in it. And those who do not judge by what Allah has revealed are ˹truly˺ the rebellious. (5:47) This was 313_Waiter’s introduction, --- and suggesting the negatives about both the Jews and Christians, mentioning the disbelievers, --- But the disbelievers were the r
  5. Hi al-Muttaqin, I would like to add more about the Holy Spirit before we move too far away. Quote from your post: I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. John 16:12-13. Jesus said in John 14:16 “And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither s
  6. Hi Zainuu, I want to mention something else that is important to note: As I said, the words in brackets ( ) in a translation were not in the original Arabic. Quote from your post: QUR’ÃN: Surely We sent down the Torah in which was guidance and light; with it the prophets who submitted themselves (to Allãh) were judging (matters) for those who were Jews, and (so did) the Divines and the scholars, as they were required to guard (part) of the Book of Allãh, and they were witnesses thereof; Your translation is close to that of Shakir who included (part); Surah 5:44
  7. Hi Zainuu, Quote from your post: And as in 3:187, in order to 'caste behind' or hide the word of Allah for a small price, you need to bring something duplicate which is not completely corrupted but to some extent. I agree with what you say, but the false teachers don’t need a different book to teach from. We have the example today among Christians Churches where some pastors follow what’s called ‘Liberal Theology,’ where they use part of the Scriptures to preach their sermons from, and ignore or 'hide' the deeper truths. --- And as ministers or pastors, they get paid for
  8. Hi Zainuu, There is one more thing to notice about the translations of the Quran. --- What is put in brackets ( ) is usually for identification or clarification, but the words in brackets are not in the original Arabic. If we go over the former Scriptures in Surah 5, we see that God was instructing Muhammad from verse 41- 43 where He said don’t trust the Jews because they were not people of Faith. --- And 44 says here, they are (no better than) unbelievers. Yusuf Ali: 5:44 It was We who revealed the law (to Moses): therein was guidance and light. By its standard have been judged
  9. Hi Zainuu Quote from your post: But they at least hided the scripture. Does it change the fact that what is preached is different from the real truth and the real commands of Allah are actually hidden? Doesn't it mean that the sermons they use to preach are their own machinations that include some verses from Allah's book and Allah's command? So, finally "Doesn't preach the scripture is equal to changing the scripture" because what is preached in the name of Torah/Gospel is not Torah/Gospel. Response: --- When we look at the history we see why the Jewish leaders we
  10. Hi Zainuu, Quote from your post: And when Allāh made a covenant with those who were given the Book: ‘‘You shall certainly make it known to men and you shall not hide it’’; but they cast it behind their backs and took a small price for it; so evil is that which they buy. 3:187 Response; --- The Jews were not honorable men and when they were given the Book ‘to make it known to all men,’ they didn’t do that, but they preached their own sermons and got paid for them. --- The fact that they didn’t teach the Scripture, didn’t change the Scripture, any more that when you get someone’s o
  11. Hi al-Muttaqin, Quote from your post: "But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. The word Advocate means ‘one who speaks on behalf of another,’ or a lawyer. Paraclete means ‘one who comes along side,’ a helper or comforter. Quote: Plus back in John 14:16 he refers to it as "another paraclete" not just "a paraclete" - henceforth meaning that Jesus himself was a paraclete. Response: --- Jesus had called the 12 disciples who were committed to following
  12. Hi al-Muttaqin, Quote from your post: "But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment: about sin, because people do not believe in me; about righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; and about judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned. I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he,
  13. --- The theme of 'the Book' continues in Surah 3:7 He (God) it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: --- others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, --- but no one knows its hidden meanings except God. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.
  14. Hi al-Muttaqin, The Scriptures you quoted in your first post above are accurate, and these Scriptures are approved of God as being true in Surah 3:2 Allah! There is no God save Him, the Alive, the Eternal. 3 He hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture with truth, confirming that which was (revealed) before it, even as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel. 4 Aforetime, for a guidance to mankind; and hath revealed the Criterion (of right and wrong). Lo! those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. Allah is Mighty, Able to Requite (the wrong).
  15. Hi 313_Waiter, I guess this concludes the answer to your question, “Why are the Torah and Injeel considered as important Scriptures in the Quran?” Surah 61 reveals that the Quran again confirms the former Scriptures, and that there were no new revelations given through Muhammad that were ‘not already given’ through Moses and Jesus, were there? To believe in truth and righteousness is basic to faith, is it not? --- And we have the reminders that we, as believers, are to stand as in ‘Ranks’ to maintain our witness before others. --- Since there are no comments, supporting or
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