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Abu-Jafar Herz

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  1. Salam. Posting Sunni tafseer isn't an argument. If you want to debate with a Shia you cannot just say : "Well my book says this." I already said to you that Sunnis will try to change the meaning of imam and its context. Yes an imam is someone who is imitated and followed. But this doesn't mean that imam= example. Imams means leader. If you want to say that imam can only mean an exemplar without it's true essential meaning of being a "leader," then no dictionary says that. If you want to say that imam means a leader who is followed and imitated then no Shia will ever disagree with you. Reg
  2. @GreatChineseFall Once you accept that the word "imam" here means leader, we'll continue with the rest of the argument.
  3. @GreatChineseFall Asalamu alaikum, I hope you're doing well. Nowhere in the verse does it say that Ibrahim [as] will be an Imam or ruling leader for all generations. You're making up your own Arabic rules where I assure you they don't exist. This is your own interpretation. You're assuming that the phrase "lillnas (for the people) includes everyone in existence in the future, and you're assuming that imam here means "example," and then from these assumptions you're using other verses to point to your false foundation while drawing false unsupported conclusions. You first must prove t
  4. Actually it does, look at what you quoted... The very quote you quoted says to deny the bodily resurrection is kufr. You also said this here : If the immaterial aspect of our body is the only thing that will transcend, then what about the body? What about its resurrection? I'm not making takfeer on anyone, but this is one of the reasons why the philosophers were debated against and made takfeer against. The two mains reasons were the eternal past of the universe and the non-bodily resurrection. Both points are their famous positions.
  5. Salam bro, I hope you're doing well. Maybe he didn't understand the implication of what he said, or maybe he typed in error. But what he said is indeed the platonic understanding of souls leaving the body into heaven. This is what he said : He said that only our immaterial aspect will only transcend, and this is wrong. The resurrection is not immaterial it is physical. To suggest that only our immaterial souls go to heaven without the body is to suggest a platonic heretical/philosopher/Sufi version of the resurrection similar to what our scholars and imams [as] wrote against. Thi
  6. btw, I'm not saying that you're denying anything or that you're going into kufr. Please don't misunderstand. I'm simply telling you dear brother what the principles of our religion which aren't allowed to be denied without invalidating Islam. Do you want me to lie to you and tell you thats its ok believe what you want?
  7. I never made takfir on you. I said what our Imams [as] have said. Anyone who denies the body's resurrection is not a Muslim anymore. Its clearly spelled out in the Qur'an clear as day. Our bodies are resurrected. Saying that we are simply souls which leave the body and go to heaven, or that only our souls will be resurrected (which by the way isn't even resurrection) without a bodily resurrection is denying the resurrection which is denying one of the usul of Islam.
  8. What you just described above is platonic has absolutely nothing to do with our religion. Our souls do not transcend to heaven without a body, this is classic platonic understanding of heaven and is heretical. We believe in Islam that when we die, we are resurrected both soul and body. This new body will be in its 30s, and will not be corruptible nor decay. With this body we eat, we drink, we have relations with our wives,etc. This is what Islam has taught us. No offense bro, but If you want to believe in the hippie platonic metaphysical floating bodies, no sexual relations or eating, 72
  9. I'm not talking about "platonic love." You misunderstood the term I used. By you asking me to back up what I said regarding eating, drinking,etc, I take it that you're describing a heretical platonic heaven where we aren't physical bodies but rather metaphysical floating spirits. We eat in heaven, this is in the Qur'an. We have a relationship with our wives in heaven that is sexual in nature. This is in the Qur'an. We talk in heaven. We also recline and drink. Which part do you want me to back up with Islamic resources?
  10. There will be desire for your wife in paradise in the sexual form. Our paradise is also physical. In paradise we eat, we drink, we walk around, we recline, we have relations with our wife, we talk and we hear things,etc. Please don't try to change the Qur'an and Sunnah for a boring, bland, uninteresting platonic heaven where we are just "floating bodies."
  11. If a woman went to paradise and asked Allah for her husband to be for her alone, then he will be for her alone. Someone may say that a contradiction may arise when the husband wants multiple and a female wants only him to be for her, then they should know that a conflict of interest does not exist in paradise. Whatever the husband wants the wife will want, and whatever the wife will want the husband will want. The details of paradise are not fully clear, but in paradise you will get whatever you desire even if your wish is for your husband to be yours alone. Everything will fall into place onc
  12. You're stretching the verse and putting your own interpretation on it. What you're saying makes absolutely no sense. You're claiming that the word "imam" here means "example." You're also objecting to the fact that Ibrahim [as] cannot be an imam of authority for the later generations. As for your objection, then nowhere in this verse does it say that Allah is making Ibrahim [as] an Imam for all generations. In fact, we see at the bottom of the verse that Ibrahim [as] is asking for his descendants to take over this imamah. So your objection is wrong and stems from a misunderstanding of the vers
  13. @Christianlady What do you mean by the Jews were trying to save Germany? I was always taught in history class the Jews were disliked for their inlufence in Germany and their media attacks on the country blaming Germany for ww1. That's why the Germans kicked them out.
  14. How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! ‘Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. ‘The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. ‘A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. ‘The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong t
  15. Also, please show us the hadith where abu bakr was appointed as an imam in your books. This verse has nothing to do with khilafa. This is talking about those who came after from among the people of their prophets who sinned, it has nothing to do with imamah. Why post the Qur'an when you don't understand it?
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