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    Rectify got a reaction from Celtic Twilight in Petra the actual Qibla?   
    Well he relies heavily on archaeology. For example he says the following mosques which were the earliest Islamic mosques were built facing Petra not Mecca: 
    1) The grand mosque of sana in Yemen built in 705 AD facing Petra 
    2) Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem built in 709 AD facing Petra 
    3) Damascus mosque built in 709 AD facing Petra 
    4) Ribat Fortress Mosque in Tunisia built in 770 AD facing Petra 
    5) Grand mosque of Guangzhou in China built in 630 AD facing Petra 
    6) Mushata Mosque in Amman built in 743 AD still faces Petra 
    7) Humeima Mosque in southwestern Jordan faced Petra 
    8) The grand mosque of ba’albaek in Lebanon built facing Petra 
    Dan Gibson further goes on to say that Mecca has not been mentioned in the holy Qur'an instead “masjid al haram” has been mentioned which was in Petra. 
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    Rectify got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Petra the actual Qibla?   
    Wasalam 
    According to archaeology the qibla was finalised In 822 AD. I appreciate references from books but archaeology and independent sources are far more convincing in my view. 
    I completely agree I think dan Gibson should also focus on how Jesus was married as opposed to being crucified on the cross which the da vinci code portrays. So maybe billions of Christians are also following the wrong religion? 
     
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    Rectify got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Petra the actual Qibla?   
    I was actually saying that lineage constitutes for around 20% in the make up of a high level believer. Simply saying I’m from a high lineage is not good enough. You have to work for it. I was implying that the other factors were: 
    1) Natural ability to understand wilayat e Ali which was determined on the day of covenant. Every creature accepted wilayat e Ali in different degrees. Some accepted faster than others. The faster ones were more elevated than the slow ones. 
    2) Intention of the heart. Having clean intentions towards your neighbour 
    3) The mother of the believer. Lineage, aspects and deeds of the mother. 
    4) The teacher (murshad) of the individual. 
    5) And of course the lineage of the believer. Imam Sadiq (عليه السلام) said the lineage of the 313 generals of Imam mehdi (عليه السلام) will be written on their swords (al ghayba by numani). 
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    Rectify got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Petra the actual Qibla?   
    Wasalam Bismillah hir Rahman nir raheem
    The fact that for 125 years no mosque pointed towards Mecca according to archaeology is very strong evidence. 125 years from today (2019) would be 1894 which is a very long time. 
    Dan Gibson does say that there’s no doubt about medina but he places a question mark over Mecca. He also says the actual battle of badr was also in Jordan.....
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    Rectify got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Petra the actual Qibla?   
    We are all special brother but descendants of Hazrat Fatima (عليه السلام) carry a more elevated position physically 
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    Rectify got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Petra the actual Qibla?   
    It was still in a different direction to Jerusalem....
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    Rectify got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Petra the actual Qibla?   
    I would say it’s quite naieve to suggest they didn’t know their geography since the masjids that actually faced Petra were from far off civilisations like China and Tunisia....
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    Rectify got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Petra the actual Qibla?   
    Brother the mosques mentioned are the earliest mosques after rasulullah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم). The qibla was finalised in 822 AD, and all mosques built after 822 AD pointed towards Mecca. Shias never had a Mosque in those days as they had to be in taqiyyah due to oppression. You mentioned the shrine of Imam Hussein (عليه السلام) and Hazrat Abbas (عليه السلام) they were built 700-800 years after in around 1500-1600 AD during the Safavid rule and nadir shah. 
    Archaeology proves that even mosques in China pointed towards Petra for at least 125 years after rasulullah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم). To simply suggest that the Arabs didn’t know their geography is quite naïve considering the Egyptians were able to build pyramids accurately aligned with stars many thousands of years before rasulullah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم). So the civilisation when Islam came was more advanced than the Egyptian times.... 
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    Rectify got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Petra the actual Qibla?   
    Well maybe because the qibla was towards that direction (Jerusalem) and by turning a few degrees towards Petra Allah didn’t want to change it too much just a little bit I guess. 
     
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    Rectify got a reaction from hasanhh in Petra the actual Qibla?   
    Dan Gibson has his own YouTube channel and he suggests the actual locations of safa and marwa which were two or three days distance between each other as well as the actual Zam-Zam. He seems pretty convinced this was the actual qibla....
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    Rectify got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Petra the actual Qibla?   
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    Rectify got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Petra the actual Qibla?   
    Brother 1921 or 1850’s is very recent history in considering rasulullah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) lived 1400 years ago. A real syed can prove he’s a syed from his lineage which is connected to ancient shrines and landmark places from over 1000 years ago. There are places in India and Pakistan that are landmark sites in the UNESCO list of heritage sites such as uch sharif, Makli Hill, bilot sharif which have records all the genuine syeds worldwide. Also, Uzbekistan has many landmark UNESCO listed sites where syeds migrated and there’s even a cemetery in Bukhara Uzbekistan named wilayat e Ali.  
    On a personal level, I’m a 29th descendant of syed Ali uraidhi (son of Imam Sadiq (as)). Saudis detonated the shrine of syed Ali uraidhi in 2002. I’ve attached a couple of pics below to further explain this topic. To prove your a syed in reality is a whole different ball game simply getting a family tree on paper anyone can do. Rest assured king Abdullah of Jordan is not a syed quite simply because he has blue eyes but if we want to further investigate his lineage you will clearly see it’s not associated with any any landmark sites. The fact that he’s associated with the Saudis who are number 1 enemy of syeds just shows who he really is....
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    Rectify got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Petra the actual Qibla?   
    I would like to add some further depth to this discussion. I’ve done a lot of research on the signs of the coming of Imam mehdi (عليه السلام). My belief is king Abdullah of Jordan is the sufyani who will fight Imam mehdi (عليه السلام). Could the Jordanian government be hiding the actual Islam? Since their ruler is the descendant of Abu sufyan? And when Imam mehdi (عليه السلام) reappears he (عليه السلام) will restore the qibla and maqam e ibrahim to its actual location? 
    Ive actually read an interview of king Abdullah of Jordan to a western newspaper where he said only 10% of Petra has actually been discovered and apparently if any researchers or historians want to research Petra in depth they have to get approval from the Jordanian authorities which most of the time is a rejection. 
    I’ve left a few pictures with ahadith to contemplate over....




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    Rectify got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Petra the actual Qibla?   
    Well perhaps there could be another Islam not the Saudi version? 
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    Rectify got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Petra the actual Qibla?   
    Dan Gibson has his own YouTube channel and he suggests the actual locations of safa and marwa which were two or three days distance between each other as well as the actual Zam-Zam. He seems pretty convinced this was the actual qibla....
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    Rectify got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Petra the actual Qibla?   
    Wasalam 
    the Hadith I read from Bihar al anwar volume 52 says qibla and not maqam e ibrahim and yes maqam e ibrahim will also be restored by Imam mehdi (عليه السلام) according to ahadith. 
    Its interesting that maqam e ibrahim is also in the wrong place....
     
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    Rectify got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Petra the actual Qibla?   
    Interesting so bakka means to Crowd in. Is that the word used in the Qur'an or with the single k? 
    Yes but you know a lot of the information about the crack in the Kaaba is hearsay. What if the Saudis are just trying to spread this rumour to make fun of the Shias? I mean they’ve got rid of most of the holy Shia sites it wouldn’t surprise me if they’re behind this rumour....
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    Rectify reacted to starlight in Petra the actual Qibla?   
    Well, if there is one illegitimate birth anywhere in the bloodline it makes whole lineage following it fake. This could be something known to the people as in the case of some men born in Prophet Muhammad(saw)'s time or it could be a carefully guarded secret in a royal family.
    I am not saying this happened, I am just stating a possibility.
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    Rectify got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Petra the actual Qibla?   
    Two ahadith come to mind one being from Bihar al shear volume 52 where maula Sadiq (عليه السلام) said when Imam mehdi reappears he will restore the qibla of Hazrat Noah (عليه السلام) 
    Another Hadith from mafatih al jinan where Imam Baqir (عليه السلام) when instructing on how to recite a dua said go to the balcony of your house and face towards Karbala 
    So perhaps in some duas it’s better to face Karbala and not Mecca? 
    By the way the Qur'an mentions becca not Mecca. Becca means place of weeping. Perhaps for Imam Hussein (عليه السلام)? Interesting how Muslims started to change the qibla around 30-40 years after martyrdom of Imam Hussein (عليه السلام). First kill the grandson of rasulullah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) then change the qibla subhanallah 
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    Rectify got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Petra the actual Qibla?   
    I truly believe aside from books there are other sources of knowledge. Archaeology being one of them as well as independent sources (non Muslim) since both of these type of sources of knowledge are unbiased and in all honesty quite convincing. 
    My question is how can they all guess towards Petra? Another issue arises and that is Mecca is described as hilly with sheep’s. That could not be possible in Mecca as Mecca was barren and in fertile. Also, Mecca never existed as a place on the oldest maps. 
    The early mosques facing Petra and not even one mosque facing Mecca before 725 AD as well as Mecca being barren and infertile for sheep’s and hills as well as Mecca not existing on maps gives dan Gibson a strong case I’d say....
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    Rectify got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Petra the actual Qibla?   
    Well he relies heavily on archaeology. For example he says the following mosques which were the earliest Islamic mosques were built facing Petra not Mecca: 
    1) The grand mosque of sana in Yemen built in 705 AD facing Petra 
    2) Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem built in 709 AD facing Petra 
    3) Damascus mosque built in 709 AD facing Petra 
    4) Ribat Fortress Mosque in Tunisia built in 770 AD facing Petra 
    5) Grand mosque of Guangzhou in China built in 630 AD facing Petra 
    6) Mushata Mosque in Amman built in 743 AD still faces Petra 
    7) Humeima Mosque in southwestern Jordan faced Petra 
    8) The grand mosque of ba’albaek in Lebanon built facing Petra 
    Dan Gibson further goes on to say that Mecca has not been mentioned in the holy Qur'an instead “masjid al haram” has been mentioned which was in Petra. 
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    Rectify got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Petra the actual Qibla?   
    Salam 
    Has anyone heard of the actual qibla being Petra? Apparently according to historian dan Gibson all mosques for at least 125 years after the martyrdom of rasulullah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) pointed towards Petra and Abdullah ibn zubayr changed the qibla to Mecca in Saudi Arabia. It wasn’t until 822 AD the qibla direction was finalised towards Mecca?!?!
    Also dan Gibson argues that Mecca is described as fertile land in the Qur'an where camel and sheep can eat with hills and Mecca was barren and inhabitable land in the times of Hazrat ibrahim (عليه السلام) and in fact dan Gibson goes on to say Mecca never even existed in any of the old maps. 
    In regards to zamzam water he says the actual Zam-Zam is in Petra and the current Zam-Zam has been proven harmful to health and causes cancer. 
    What do you guys think? 
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    Rectify got a reaction from PureExistence1 in Sufyani will emerge soon after Assad?   
    The sign is an earthquake which will kill 100,000 people, land of harasta being swallowed, and then the sufyani rises according to Hadith of Imam (as) 
    lets hope Imam e zamanahs return is sooner rather than later....
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    Rectify got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Nawroz     
    Sanad is only relevant if you believe in rijjal. Happy belated nawroz to you as well  
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    Rectify got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Nawroz     
    Yes well rijjal isn't proven from hadiths of imams (as) as a verification concept. 
    Many hadiths exist on nawroz accept or reject them as you wish 
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