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PureExistence1 reacted to guest 2025 in Doubts over the story of Khidr and Musa
It's like the hypothetical question of "Would you kill hitler as a child?" In this case, Khidr did to prevent disaster. And look at it this way, the boy who would have grown up to be evil was cut short before he could commit a single sin. I view this as an incredible mercy for him because he gets to be resurrected on Judgement Day without an atom of a sin on his book, when if history took a slightly different turn, he would have been among the most wicked and in a very bad position. That boy was spared Hell.
I don't understand this point
He was not needed, but that was how it went down. It was also necessary for Prophet Moses s.a to witness so he may be tested.
It was not one specific incident, it was one part of about three incidents which were all connected. If we want to find meaning in one then we have to look at the entire thing. I interpret it as: You see one pixel, God sees the entire picture. Everything that Khidr did was objectionable on the surface, but once Prophet Moses s.a found out how this was going to affect the future, he realized that it was actually a mercy.
PureExistence1 reacted to skinee in Doubts over the story of Khidr and Musa
I always have doubts over these verses and questions that I haven't been able to answer.
"And as for the boy, his parents were believers, and we feared that he would overburden them by transgression and disbelief
So we intended that their Lord should substitute for them one better than him in purity and nearer to mercy."
1. Did Khidr kill a boy that had yet to commit a crime... "we feared"?
2. If Allah can make/substitute a better child, what does this imply about the first boy? Did Allah make him less pure? Surely if Allah can make the 2nd child more pure, than either He didn't make the first boy pure or made him less pure.
3. Why was Khidr needed to kill this boy? Allah could have taken his life in any number of ways.
4. What is the moral of this specific incident?
I don't understand how to interpret these verses... someone please help!
PureExistence1 reacted to hasanhh in Poor Jokes [OFFICIAL THREAD]
"AAhhhhhh . . . l do not believe it ! "
"Angry Dwarf is right . . . terrible."
"l am going to be sick over this oversight."
"Well here it is now. Dredged from the bowels of Shi'aChat."
Our annual, only once a year, Ramadhan joke:
Ramadhan is the only time l can get a date.
PureExistence1 reacted to Allah Seeker in Quran Notes
Interesting that some get jealous and frustrated at other people's riches; little do they know that this will be used to torture them some day.. And Allah orders us not to let it get to us that they got more physical stuff..
Let not their wealth nor their sons dazzle thee: in reality Allah's plan is to punish them with these things in this life, and that their souls may perish in their denial of Allah. Yusuf Ali
فَلَا تُعْجِبْكَ أَمْوَٰلُهُمْ وَلَآ أَوْلَـٰدُهُمْ ۚ إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ ٱللَّهُ لِيُعَذِّبَهُم بِهَا فِى ٱلْحَيَوٰةِ ٱلدُّنْيَا وَتَزْهَقَ أَنفُسُهُمْ وَهُمْ كَـٰفِرُونَ
PureExistence1 reacted to MartyS in How do you know god exists?
For me, this is a powerful statement. With my finite mind, I know I cannot prove this. But I am equally certain I cannot disprove it. I know that I exist--for 66 years now. From my own personal experience, this I know. And from a personal experience with "God" in 1976--44 years ago--that changed my very nature, from darkness to light, from spiritual death to spiritual life, I believe God exists. I have been exposed to the Bible for all of my conscious life. I have found it reliable because it begins, "In the beginning," with an account of the first created human beings and ends in the culmination of human history, and I have never found anything false within it, I have chosen it as my source of truth. In the Bible, which I believe is God's revelation of Himself to humankind, He actually states why we should believe He exists and the penalty for not believing:
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth.
19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.
20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools,
23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves,
25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;
27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.
29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips,
30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents,
31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them. - Romans 1:18-32
PureExistence1 reacted to user5000 in How do you know god exists?
Hello, I hope you are well and in good health in these strange times. Im a young guy in his early 20’s who was raised in a (Shia) muslim family. For most of my life, I followed the religion to the T, never questioning anything nor having any doubts about it. It wasn’t until the past year or so that I did a complete 180 for reasons unknown, and found myself questioning and disagreeing with a lot, if not most, things. I still consider myself Muslim, and I guess you could best label me as a:
Agnostic Theist - DOES believe in gods and DOES NOT claim to know they exist. As opposed to what I would call the majority of muslims, or followers of abrahamic religions:
Gnostic Theists - DOES believe in gods and DOES claim to know that they exist Many may disagree with my stance, and some may outright declare me a kafir for it, as you apparently cannot be agnostic and muslim.
The purpose of this discussion is to lay out some ideas or thoughts that led me to taking this position, and literally, have you refute them, or at least tell me what you think, and get your ideas and thoughts on them. There have even been some posts I found interesting taken directly from here on shiachat and incorporated into the discussion.
In order to understand religion and god in the way a gnostic theist would, it seems that you have to know through your heart's certitude, the core center of your being, not through your thinking or rationalizing mind. You have to ask who you are. What is your awareness or consciousness? What is it? Is it some thing? What is aware of your consciousness or who is aware of it? I just don’t believe humans are smart enough to comprehend such questions, really.
For gnostic Theists, what happens if you're wrong and there is nothing?
From what I can understand, it is supposed to be easy. If you die and find out that there is no God, you don’t lose anything, because….. you're dead, obviously. Yes, you endure some hardships in life and have to resist some things, which some argue is not without worldly benefit, because it makes you a better person and a better contributor to the society you live in, something I can attest to as some of the finest people I know are those who are firm in their beliefs, regardless of the religion they follow. For example, by paying a small premium, you get an excellent insurance policy with tremendous benefits, if a god is there. Thus, being a Muslim, Christian, Jew ect. is apparently a win-win situation. In either case, you are supposed to be better off than the others. This isnt always the case however, as we have clearly seen what extremism and exploitation in any religion leads to.
In abrahamic religions, people are told that when this temporary life is over, God will raise everyone for an eternal life wherein he will immensely reward all those who pursued personal and collective excellence through religion; and He will imprison in Hell those who misused their free will, rebelled against Him and adopted un-religous ways of life that caused injustices, corruptions, ecological disasters and other imbalances in the world.
BUT WHY? What's the point?
Steve: “Is God merciful, compassionate, and just?”
Bob: “Yes, absolutely,”
Steve: “Is there an eternal Hell?”
Bob: “Yes, absolutely,”
Steve: “So why would a merciful, compassionate, and just God create a FINITE creature with FINITE knowledge of sins, only to later send it to infinite damnation and hellfire? Does that make sense to you?”
I'm not sure how I feel about a God who wants to condemn most of the planet to a fiery hell, an aspect that seems prevalent again, amongst abrahamic religions. What type of loving, sensitive, omnipresent, omnipotent being wants to condemn his beautiful creation to a fiery hell at the end of it all? Why create them in the first place if you knew they were to later be cast into hell?
This is important as it also brings into question the notion of "God is good", and the existence of Evil in the world. Assuming there is a god, why does evil seem to prevail? One way to look at the issue is to recognize evil merely as the lack or absence of good, leaving you only with good and the absence of good. Since evil then becomes the absence of something, it cannot be something that can be placed on the account of god. This claim does not argue that evil exists; it merely rejects the "reality of evil."
So, either a God is responsible for the evil and suffering and cannot be considered "good", or you can argue that evil and suffering subsist despite God because he cannot, or will not eliminate them.
But, this is conflicting, as God is often defined as omniscient, meaning literally all-knowing or often all-wise. Fully understood, God's omniscience places every element of life in divine hands. The rock claim goes hand in hand with this, the omnipotent being (god) can not construct a stone that it cannot raise. The omnipotent being is not able to produce such a stone because its power is equal to itself — thus eliminating the omnipotence, because only one omnipotent being may exist.
Religion seems to keep people afloat, making them feel like there’s something better on the other side.
Amongst the major abrahamic religions, it seems to be set up binary, it’s us and them, saved and unsaved, heaven and hell, enlightened and heathen, mumineen and kafir, holy and righteous … that makes a lot of people feel better about themselves.
Furthermore, it seems to impose a Rule of Law, which acts to keep people on the right track. What happens when you don’t have the order that religion brings?
You have the order of MIGHT, like in China for example. The religion is the state.
Now of course they do have religion(s) in China, but the reality is, what’s running China is a dictatorship, and the king is the ruler. This is what they look towards. This brings us to:
ARGUMENT 1.) Moral laws require a lawmaker. The argument that subjective morality is unacceptable because it has, and will, differ from person to person and two contradictory statements (let alone millions) can not be true at the same time, as per the second fundamental law of logic. So the lawmaker can not be a human being. Believers in abrahmic religions are compelled to believe then, that only God can provide true objective moral boundaries as the creator who is all-knowing. If there are no clear guidelines set by an all-knowing god, and there are no guaranteed consequences for our actions, then life is ultimately nothing but a large hedonistic doghouse, and nobody can prove otherwise.
RESPONSE- This does not take into account the notion of a secular government with secular laws. We do not need religion to dictate our morality and we as humans have the intelligence to discern all that we need to live moral lives. We live in a completely different world now than those before us because of the interconnectedness we have today, which did not exist before. Today we have access to so much information and to the vast body of work that people have written about philosophy, ethics, and morals. We can understand why it’s good to be a good person without having to invoke a higher power, or some divine spiritual entity that’s watching over everything. Before, that wasn’t the case, we were establishing civilization, moving from primitive groups that lived in tribes, which we all came from. People need to take into consideration that we are here because our ancestors were better at violence than others. We are a warlike species of beings that have consistently throughout history conquered each other, doing awful things to each other (taking over land, cities, people), and religion is what we needed then, to get people to act in a moral and more ethical way, to get people to stop from raping and pilliging their way across the world. Some argue that religion is in many ways a sort of a natural creation of the human mind and the human psyche to try and move us past our primitive tribal tendencies, towards a more cooperative way of existing.
ARGUMENT 2.) The argument of causation. Everything has a cause and an effect. Your jacket is an effect, and the clothing factory is the cause. This world must be effective, right? So it needs a cause. What if it existed by itself. That would mean itself is the cause. Well, then what made itself exist? What proportioned the necessary atoms and particles to form a universe? For Theists, this must mean, in conclusion, that there was a Supreme power involved. An infinite regress of causation with regards to natural phenomena is impossible, thus proving the necessity of a first cause/creator of all-natural phenomena who itself is not bound by anything. Inconceivable and necessary, God.
BUT Why does it have to be a god (and more specifically a god found in a particular revelation or revelations?) Why does it have to be a god at all? Why can't this cause less cause be some unknown aspect of this universe that is beyond our scope of comprehension? Or is it simply called "god" merely because we just don't know enough about this first cause? What if there is a domain within our existence where things don't operate by cause and effect. Secondly, is God at the beginning of this causal chain? Is he "before" all other effects? That is already a limitation on god. The universe may be more than matter a spacetime and maybe even more than what our thoughts could conjure. The known or visible universe might work through what we would call causality but maybe the unknown part of the universe (before the Big Bang) might have a whole different structure that escapes our feeble imaginations and our limited ideas or thoughts. Have you ever thought about this? Why does that "unknown" always have to be a god by default? In contrast to a gnostic theist who his firm in their religious beliefs, scientists acknowledge that we don’t have all the answers, we don’t really know where the laws of nature came from, nor do we know why the universe began in the way it did (if it even did have a beginning)
For example, we understand nuclear physics and we can build nuclear reactors from it. We understand the physics of stars, and understand that they built carbon and oxygen, and we know how they did it. We can see it. When you look far out into the universe, you are essentially looking back in time, and as you’re looking back in time you see less carbon and less oxygen. PRESTO, direct observation that in the earliest universe there wasn’t any.
We don't have anything to justify that the laws of nature originated themselves spontaneously out of nothing, nor do we have anything to justify that it was created by a divine architecture.
All these systems, their state of the art designs, the laws by which they exist could be mere accidents or chance, or they could not be. We just don't know……
PureExistence1 reacted to 313_Waiter in Did Iblees commit shirk by refusing to bow to Adam (عليه السلام)? What is the deeper meaning of shirk?
Why is shirk unforgivable (video)?
PureExistence1 reacted to Dave follower of The Way in What, in your belief, is the nature of God?
God is all powerful and created the universe from nothing by his powerful word. His word brought everything into existance and gives life to living beings.
The first verse of the Torah (Genisis 1:1) says
In the begining God created the heavens and the earth.
So God was there before the begining when nothing had been created and he brought it into existance.
It is interesting that the Injil John 1:1-5 reflects this creation narrative with the words
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
PureExistence1 reacted to realizm in Breaking the fast early or after maghrib?
Most Sunnis get almost mad when you tell them you wait a bit just to make sure, and insist that you get that date, you end up praying with a date in your pocket. On the other hand Shias make you break your fast almost an hour after maghrib and you're like please no more du`as between maghribain.
Ah, I miss the good old mosques days...
PureExistence1 reacted to Abu Hadi in Breaking the fast early or after maghrib?
Here is a Q and A on this from the website of the late Sayyid Fadlallah((رضي الله عنه))
Q: At what exact time of sunset can one break his fast?
A: Sunset takes place as soon as the disk of the sun disappears and there is no need to wait for the disappearance of the eastern redness, knowing that waiting for the disappearance of the eastern redness is a recommended precaution; thus, one can break his fast when the disk of the sun disappears in the horizon.
So he says that it is permissible to break your fast once the disk of the sun has gone below the horizon, but out of precaution, you should wait till the Eastern Redness has disappeared, which takes approximately 7 minutes, depending on altitude and latitude.
The difference between that and what Sunni ulema say, is quite obvious. According to them, it is wajib to break your fast as soon as the sun sets. This is not what Sayyid Fadlallah says. He says it is mustahab to wait, but if you need to you can break your fast at sunset.
BTW, there is a very cool website.What I like about this is the 'Sun Altitude' read time calculator which shows you the altitude of the sun, and it refreshes every second automatically.
Obviously this is the time for Livonia, Michigan, USA, but you can put in your own city. If you look for the heading 'Sun Altitude', that tells you the distance of the sun from the horizon. Going from day to night, once that hits 0 degrees, you can break your fast, or you can start calculating your ihtiyat.
The site also has the time for fajr. It is the beginning time for Astronomical Twilight:
PureExistence1 got a reaction from Dave follower of The Way in What, in your belief, is the nature of God?
Thanks for the tag.. what I know, I only know from something I learned a long time ago, and I can't give you an exact source for it. I know this is a very poor answer!
Anyway, what I had learned at some point either from a lecture, or conversation with my mentor sister, cant remember which, is that these things that are "najis" for us, are of no consequence to Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), as He is above and beyond these kind of things, but for the health and spiritual advancement and whatnot of humans, Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) has made these things najis for us. For Him, it's neither here nor there, if you get what I'm saying. In regards to Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), its not relevant.
Its kind of like how ingesting excrement is forbidden for us, but it has been made the method of nourishment for plants and even for some animals. Its not relevant or najis or forbidden for them, but for us it is.
(Not sure how good of an example that is:/ )
Sorry, I'm in a big hurry right now. I'm very pressed for time, but I didn't want to let this tag slip by me like I have in the past with some other tags.
PureExistence1 reacted to Syed.Dynasty in Preparing for the imam The Esoterics
I have a few ideas on this a couple friends of mine and myself are looking at places in Canada that have natural underground reservoirs decently far away from the cities. Canada is good for this cuz we have the most fresh water reserves in the world. I remember reading about a company who can provide a house with a generator that doesn’t run of hydro electric power, they claim a sort of Tesla like technology, and all it is a one time fee for installation (the fee might be really high tho). There are other places I’ve thought about as well, but cannot go into too much detail on a public forum. Many ppl believe that non Adamite races went underground to survive and accounts of indigenous peoples, that claim to have been to these underground cities, mention they have technologies that can help grow vegetation and provide healthy breathing air. Not saying that’s what I’ll do but all options are on the table.
Listen ma the most important is a good spouse, who can help raise your kids and understands how to bring them close to Allah. Remember the wives of the men made them abandon hazrat Muslim before he even finished the congregational prayer. Our love for ppl can either take us toward Allah and our Imam like Hurrs love for his mother made him join the 72 in Karbala. Or it can take us into an eternity of hellfire like the woman that ibn muljim fell in love with.
If you must sign a deed on these stolen lands make sure you at least make the intention of taqiyya or receive some sort of written permission from the descendants of those whose land was stolen. Also the entire country isn’t under heavy surveillance constantly on the cities. This isn’t to say that they can’t use satellites to see you anywhere you go, but your every move is less likely to be watched .
PureExistence1 reacted to lissenma in Preparing for the imam The Esoterics
Yes, accordingly the flouride in toothpaste, food and water calcifies your pineal gland. For those wondering, flouride is toxic waste. The excuse for this toxic waste in our water, food and toothpaste is that it prevents cavities........
Couldn't they have come up with something better to prevent cavities instead of adding toxic waste? Perhaps a higher tax on soda....
PureExistence1 reacted to lissenma in Is Dajjal a person or System or organization
I don't have much knowledge of hadith or studied much hadith.
But you don't need a person in human form with supernatural powers for the above mentioned.
Bringing the dead to life? maybe it's about human cloning.
abundance of crops and rain? artificial or gmo food and cloud seeding?
There are probably more explaining.