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  1. Hamza! You started with this question: "I am interested in creating a HEALTHY debate about whether or not Baha'u'llah and the Bab are truly prophets." Now that you are doubting your beliefs, do contemplate seeking help from God. Even I have been following this discussion keenly and this has further strengthened my belief in Shiaism. May Allah guide you to the religion which is near to Him so that you may save yourself from eternal condemnation.
  2. Hamza if you really are a simpleton as you are now projecting yourself (Initially you were projecting the image of a hardcore Baha'i), then this discussion must have made it clear to you that since no Prophet is to come after Muhammad(saw), so Bahaullah was a bogus propelled by the then czarist regime for creating disturbances in the then Persian empire and this same movement is now in the service of Zionism. Following or not following a false prophet is of no consequence at all. A person will physically suffer in hell. Until of course he remains true to his intention of independent investigation and returns to the real last message of Allah (Islam).
  3. Well, Can you please elaborate on what wrong claims were made about Baha'is? As for the question in this discussion which you had raised previously about Bab and Baha truly being Prophets or not, you have not concluded it. Perhaps your inability to answer has made you to change the discussion. Even if you want to discuss Shia belief, let's discuss Khatemiyat as it is one of the core Shia beliefs.
  4. Well any true investigation of truth is always welcome if when the truth becomes evident the person accepts it and does not run away from acceptance. Rejecting the Islamic belief of Khatamiyat is very important for the Baha'i cult as the foundation of this cult is based on the rejection of this truth. Mr.Hamza should reply to the following: What is the reason for considering the Bab and Baha as prophets on the basis of his argument while at the same time rejecting Mirza Gulam Ahmed Qadiani and many others who have claimed to be Prophets.
  5. @Aidan - I have already mentioned the fact in the below post. Al-Baqara : 6 - إِنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا سَوَآءٌ عَلَيْهِمْ ءَأَنذَرْتَهُمْ أَمْ لَمْ تُنذِرْهُمْ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe Al-Baqara : 7 - خَتَمَ اللَّهُ عَلٰى قُلُوبِهِمْ وَعَلٰى سَمْعِهِمْ ۖ وَعَلٰىٓ أَبْصٰرِهِمْ غِشٰوَةٌ ۖ وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌ Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. And for them is a great punishment. When Quran says some people will not be convinced.They will not be convinced and keep on demanding proof however much evident the matter is.
  6. Bahaism is unislamic. It's based in Haifa from where it can do propaganda all over the world against Islamic ideology but cannot speak a word against Judaism!!! Yet the blind demand proof. One can demand proof about the presence of sugar in chocolate to prove it's sweetness. But one cannot demand proof of the fact that sugar is sweet.
  7. Only a blind would be feign ignorance and demand proof for the comradeship of Jews and bahais which is as evident as sunlight. Also, is not the presence of pro bahai and pro jewish elements on Shia chat forums itself an evidence?
  8. Well for any casual reader of Islamic History the mischief of Jews against Muslims are evident. And even today the Jews using Bahaism against Muslims does not generate any sympathy either for them or their bahai slaves.
  9. Conspiracy theories are theories-they maybe true or false. But bahaism today itself is a conspiracy against Islam as a whole with the active support of Jews. This is not a theory but an undeniable and well established fact.
  10. Salam Brother Abbas I would agree with what Sister Hameedeh has mentioned. In addition I would also request you to please read the following article which I found at http://www.thebahaitruth.com/node/4 , which clearly shows that Bahaiism has nothing to do with divine religions and is purely a man-made religion. Bahai Faith is man-made I present this article to evidence that the Bahai Faith has got nothing to do with guidance of mankind. An honest study unveils that unlike divine religions it was changed and modified to adept itself to the changing situations only underlining that it’s not a revealed religion. In order not to make this article exceedingly long, I have largely linked it to various articles on this site for a detailed elucidation of the account. At the first instance, the Bahai teachings look attractive. But beneath this good looking form is a deceptive approach to harm humankind. I repeat, the focus of Bahai Faith is not to spread the message from God, but is to attack Islam. The 12 principles are the focal points of the Bahai teachings. However, when one objectively delves into them, he realizes that the Bahai Faith has got nothing to do with them. The teachings are mere lip service. The crimes and bloodshed by the early age Bahais and Babis are well-recorded in history and are a living testament to counter its claim of having the religion as a source of unity. In fact, it only highlights the Bahai hypocrisy about World Peace. Importantly, Bahai leadership has been involved in anti-national and anti-social activities. In fact, the restrictions on the Bahais in Muslim countries, is a consequence of their dark violent history. Interestingly, the Bahais cry themselves hoarse when restrictions are imposed on them, but when Muslims are persecuted world over, the Bahais silent spectators. This only reflects they do not have any global message but are there only to further their personal interests. Also, these principles are the foundation of the Bahai faith, but the leaders failed to provide any information. There will be world peace (yes we know there will be), give us some signs? Bahai Faith has no answer. The Bahai teachings call upon people to undertake an independent investigation of truth. They ask us to be open-minded. But is a Bahai allowed to seek answers from the Bahai Administration? Any inquiry which questions the Administration, causes the adherent to be labeled a covenant breaker. The Bahai Faith would go extinct, if its members independently investigated the Faith. To foster unity among the people the Bahais seek a universal language. Great! But which is that language? Bahaullah suggested Arabic, Abdul Baha wanted Esperanto, while the Universal House of Justice calls for English as the universal language. When Bahaullah’s calls for unity are shouted from rooftops, there is no unity in explaining the principles. What a paradox! Bahais fail to understand that the Bahai religion is based on these 12 principles. None of these principles have been explained unblemishedly till date. If the bringer, or the interpreter or the Guardian (the official authorities) in Bahai Faith could not provide a explanation, how can we rely on ordinary Bahais to explain them for us? It would be interesting to note, that when the Bahai administration is questioned why has none of these principles been fulfilled. Everything is left for the future. Bahaullah spoke of world peace, when will it happen? Later. Why are women forbidden from joining the Universal House of Justice? That will be explained later. When will all religions unite? Later. When will we know the alphabets of the universal language? Later. When will the extremes of poverty be eliminated? Later. If all teachings were to be fulfilled later, then why did he Bahaullah not come later? If he himself was at a loss to explain, how can we rely on his followers who neither know the teachings nor the Bahai history. Did Abdul Baha not foretell there would be 24 Guardians. But what happened we all know. Shoghi died without any heir. Bahai Faith was proven wrong in no time. Then what happened we all know. The House of Justice abrogated the words of its leaders and announced that the Faith would now function without a Guardian. How conveniently the Bahai Faith has been changing. Can this be from God? The reality is that the Bahai Faith is manmade. Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy. (Holy Quran: Surah Nisa: Verse No. 82)
  11. "Seeking knowledge is an obligation in all conditions." Imam Sadiq (a.s.) Basaer al Darajaat vol. 1 pg. 3
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