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  1. An angel through the eyes of a shiite is a murderous demon in the eyes of truth.
  2. Most people would agree that a man who murders his own people right and left should not be in power, surprisingly enough
  3. Leave it to a shi3i to believe in crazy conspiracy theory
  4. Abu Jafar Seems you have a problem with reading. The Question was What evidence do you have that a Tablighi Prophet can bring new laws and the Imam cannot? The Question was not what Jaafar said about the Imam. I again ask you to bring evidence that a Tablighi Prophet can bring New Laws and bring me evidence that a Tablighi Prophet can abrogate the Law and give examples were a Tablighi Prophet brought new laws and abrogated earlier ones. If you are unable to do this then you have no choice but to admit the Imam and the Tablighi Prophet are identical. Of course you are finished here. The burden of proof is upon you not me habibi. Let me rephrase the question What is the difference between a Prophet who brought no new laws and did not see any angel and the Imam? Seeing as you have no evidence that a Tablighi Prophet can bring new laws and the question is focused around one who did not bring any new law, you really have no answer. This Prophet would basically have been just an Imam with the title of Prophet. I think people can see from the weakness of Abu Jafr reply that the Shia 12ers do not believe in the finality of Prophethood. He also did not answer the following questions I also predict that Abu Jafr will be unable to really give an answer instead he will resort to shifting the burden and making claims he cannot back from neither Quran nor Narrations instead of admiting the truth that shia do not believe in the finality of prophethood.
  5. Seems you Shia did not take this well. :lol:
  6. It seems this topic has reached an end and its the same one we reached earlier as our friend skamran brought nothing new .
  7. The first quote simply says in his book. It does not quote what he said and therfore does not show he is in agreement with the Shia. So go ahead and bring the quote from his book and show me how he is in agreement with the Shia. Same as above Same as above Same as above Go ahead and bring me the quote from his book and show me where he asserts the Imama Ibn Arabi was considered a Shi3i by many and held many weird views and this is what the scholars of Islam say about him. ibn Hajar said:Some confusing words of Ibn ‘Arabi were mentioned to our master Shaykh al-Islam Siraaj al-Deen al-Balqeeni, and he was asked about Ibn ‘Arabi. Our Shaykh al-Balqeeni said: he is a kaafir. Ibn Khaldoon said:Among these Sufis are: Ibn ‘Arabi, Ibn Saba’een, Ibn Barrajaan and their followers who follow their path and their religion. They have many books in circulation that are filled with blatant kufr and repugnant bid’ahs, trying to interpret clear texts in very far-fetched and repugnant ways, such that the reader is astounded that anyone could attribute such things to Islam. Al-Subki said: These later Sufis, such as Ibn ‘Arabi and his followers, are misguided and ignorant and beyond the pale of Islam; those among them who have knowledge are even worse. Please quote from his book and show were he is in agreement with the Shia. Tell me what madhab Abdullah Sharani belonged to, provide evidence that he was a sunni and mention who from the Sunni scholars spoke of him. The same for the second guy who claimed Sharani met the 12th Mahdi, and the third guy who was the suppose teacher of sharani. Go ahead and bring me the quote from his book that he is in agreement with the shia. Same as above If he narrates the statement of Hakima he is quoting from Shia books, the existence of Hakima herself is disputed(see video) Bring the Page from his book were he says this and show me where Dayar Bakri, Mulla ‘Ali Qari, Abdul Haqq Dehlawi made the claim this his book is realible Go ahead and bring me the quote from his book that he is in agreement with the shia. Tell me what madhab Abdullah Sharani belonged to, provide evidence that he was a sunni and mention who from the Sunni scholars spoke of him. Then Quote from his book and show me where he wrote what al-islam claimed he wrote. Same as above. Since he is "Well known" this shouldnt be a problem Where did Nasr say this? Please bring a refrence. 1. Mulla Ali Qari ÑÍãå Çááøå mentioned the 12 Khalifs as such Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali ,Mu'awiya, Yazeed ,Abdul Malik bin Marwan ,Walid bin Abdul Malik bin Marwan ,Sulayman bin Abdul Malik bin Marwan ,Umar bin Abdul Aziz ,Yazeed bin Abdul Malik bin Marwan Hasham bin Abdul Malik bin Marwan. References: Sharah Fiqah Akbar, by Mulla Ali Qari, p 176 (publishers Muhammad Saeed and son, Qur'an Muhalla. Sharah Fiqha Akbar, by Mulla Ali Qari, page 70 (published by Qadeemy Kutub Khana, Aram Bagh, Karachi) This is what he wrote in Mirqat The Shia refer the twelve Caliph as the continuous khalifas of the prophet’s Ahlebayt, the first is Ali ibn Abi Talib, Hasan bin Ali, Husayn bin Ali, Zain Al-Abdeen, Muhammad Al-Baqir, Jafar Al-Sadiq, Musa Al-Kadhem, Ali Al-Ridha, Muhammad Al-Taqi, Ali Al-Naqi, Hasan Al-Askari, Muhammad Al-Mahdi He is simply writing about what the Twelver believe in, he is not agreeing with the shia as per your lie. Tell me which madhab he belonged to, provide evidence that he was a sunni, provide me evidence that he was a scholar and mention who from the Sunni scholars spoke of him. Sibt was a shi3i and not a Sunni. He converted from sunni hanafism to shiism as Dhaahbi mentioned
  8. http://www.al-islam.org/shiite-encyclopedia-ahlul-bayt-dilp-team/special-specifications-imam-al-mahdi In a discussion with a shiite he copy/pasted the part claiming that many Sunni scholars affirmed the existence of the 12th Imam and affirmed that he was Mahdi thus agreeing with the 12er shiite view. Here is my reply to this nonsense. The first quote simply says in his book. It does not quote what he said and therfore does not show he is in agreement with the Shia. So go ahead and bring the quote from his book and show me how he is in agreement with the Shia. Same as above Same as above Same as above Go ahead and bring me the quote from his book and show me where he asserts the Imama Ibn Arabi was considered a Shi3i by many and held many weird views and this is what the scholars of Islam say about him. ibn Hajar said:Some confusing words of Ibn ‘Arabi were mentioned to our master Shaykh al-Islam Siraaj al-Deen al-Balqeeni, and he was asked about Ibn ‘Arabi. Our Shaykh al-Balqeeni said: he is a kaafir. Ibn Khaldoon said:Among these Sufis are: Ibn ‘Arabi, Ibn Saba’een, Ibn Barrajaan and their followers who follow their path and their religion. They have many books in circulation that are filled with blatant kufr and repugnant bid’ahs, trying to interpret clear texts in very far-fetched and repugnant ways, such that the reader is astounded that anyone could attribute such things to Islam. Al-Subki said: These later Sufis, such as Ibn ‘Arabi and his followers, are misguided and ignorant and beyond the pale of Islam; those among them who have knowledge are even worse. Please quote from his book and show were he is in agreement with the Shia. Tell me what madhab Abdullah Sharani belonged to, provide evidence that he was a sunni and mention who from the Sunni scholars spoke of him. The same for the second guy who claimed Sharani met the 12th Mahdi, and the third guy who was the suppose teacher of sharani. Go ahead and bring me the quote from his book that he is in agreement with the shia. Same as above If he narrates the statement of Hakima he is quoting from Shia books, the existence of Hakima herself is disputed(see video) Bring the Page from his book were he says this and show me where Dayar Bakri, Mulla ‘Ali Qari, Abdul Haqq Dehlawi made the claim this his book is realible Go ahead and bring me the quote from his book that he is in agreement with the shia. Tell me what madhab Abdullah Sharani belonged to, provide evidence that he was a sunni and mention who from the Sunni scholars spoke of him. Then Quote from his book and show me where he wrote what al-islam claimed he wrote. Same as above. Since he is "Well known" this shouldnt be a problem Where did Nasr say this? Please bring a refrence. 1. Mulla Ali Qari ÑÍãå Çááøå mentioned the 12 Khalifs as such Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali ,Mu'awiya, Yazeed ,Abdul Malik bin Marwan ,Walid bin Abdul Malik bin Marwan ,Sulayman bin Abdul Malik bin Marwan ,Umar bin Abdul Aziz ,Yazeed bin Abdul Malik bin Marwan Hasham bin Abdul Malik bin Marwan. References: Sharah Fiqah Akbar, by Mulla Ali Qari, p 176 (publishers Muhammad Saeed and son, Qur'an Muhalla. Sharah Fiqha Akbar, by Mulla Ali Qari, page 70 (published by Qadeemy Kutub Khana, Aram Bagh, Karachi) This is what he wrote in Mirqat The Shia refer the twelve Caliph as the continuous khalifas of the prophet’s Ahlebayt, the first is Ali ibn Abi Talib, Hasan bin Ali, Husayn bin Ali, Zain Al-Abdeen, Muhammad Al-Baqir, Jafar Al-Sadiq, Musa Al-Kadhem, Ali Al-Ridha, Muhammad Al-Taqi, Ali Al-Naqi, Hasan Al-Askari, Muhammad Al-Mahdi He is simply writing about what the Twelver believe in, he is not agreeing with the shia as per your lie. Tell me which madhab he belonged to, provide evidence that he was a sunni, provide me evidence that he was a scholar and mention who from the Sunni scholars spoke of him. Sibt was a shi3i and not a Sunni. He converted from sunni hanafism to shiism as Dhaahbi mentioned
  9. Provide evidence from the Quran that "his successor has to understand the entire Quran, meanings, its interpretations, the time, place and reason of revelation of its verses and last but not least be a living example of the Quran. " The Prophet didnt appoint anyone however this topic is not relevant to this thread so go open your own thread and discuss this. You said Prophet and Kings in the Quran. However from those you mentioned please bring me evidence from the Quran that Talut was infallible. Seems like my part 1 post was deleted Part 1 No its means that we are not going to change the topic and talk about me instead of your Mahdi You cleary dont read my posts instead you just keep repeating the things you said earlier which we already replied to. The hadith of the 12 khalifs was adressed in post #68 The Sunni hadith of 12 Khalifs talks about rulling Khalifs and only 2 of your Imam fulfill the criteria of being a caliph I heard the Messenger of Allah say: The affairs of the people will continue to be conducted (well) as long as they are governed by twelve men. Then the Holy Prophet said words which were obscure to me. I asked my father: What did the Messenger of Allah say? He said: All of the (twelve men) will be from the Quraysh. Sahih Muslim, Book 20 Hadith #4478 I dont see your Mahdi governing anybody therfore this hadith has nothing to do with him This was also adressed in post #68 The burden of proof is upon you to prove that the 12 khalif hadith is about your 12 Imams not for me to prove its not. But since i know its impossible for you to prove this i will be nice enough to disprove it 1. The 12 khalifs in the hadith will be rulers who govern, this can only be said for 2 of your 12 Imams, i also dont see your hiding Mahdi governing 2. The names of who the 12 khalifs are is mentioned in sunni books. Uqbah bin Aws al Sadusi narrated: Ibn Umar RA said: In this nation there shall be twelve Caliphs, Abu Bakr Al-Siddiq, you got his name right, Omar Al-Farouq as an iron horn you got his name right, Othman who is Zhu Nourain (the one with two lights) has been given two portions of mercy for he was innocently killed, you got his name right Takhreej Kitab al Sunnah 1154 Hadith Sahih
  10. Part 2 Speaking of " blind fellow." If you want to quote a bunch of quotes from http://www.al-islam.org/shiite-encyclopedia-ahlul-bayt-dilp-team/special-specifications-imam-al-mahdimake sure you read what you quote before you quote it. You must only have read the first part " The following are the name of some Sunni scholars who wrote that Imam al-Mahdi has already been born" and got all excited. These scholars are not in agreement with the Shia The first quote simply says in his book. It does not quote what he said and therfore does not show he is in agreement with the Shia. So go ahead and bring the quote from his book and show me how he is in agreement with the Shia. Same as above Same as above Same as above Go ahead and bring me the quote from his book and show me where he asserts the Imama Ibn Arabi was considered a Shi3i by many and held many weird views and this is what the scholars of Islam say about him. ibn Hajar said:Some confusing words of Ibn ‘Arabi were mentioned to our master Shaykh al-Islam Siraaj al-Deen al-Balqeeni, and he was asked about Ibn ‘Arabi. Our Shaykh al-Balqeeni said: he is a kaafir. Ibn Khaldoon said:Among these Sufis are: Ibn ‘Arabi, Ibn Saba’een, Ibn Barrajaan and their followers who follow their path and their religion. They have many books in circulation that are filled with blatant kufr and repugnant bid’ahs, trying to interpret clear texts in very far-fetched and repugnant ways, such that the reader is astounded that anyone could attribute such things to Islam. Al-Subki said: These later Sufis, such as Ibn ‘Arabi and his followers, are misguided and ignorant and beyond the pale of Islam; those among them who have knowledge are even worse. Please quote from his book and show were he is in agreement with the Shia. Tell me what madhab Abdullah Sharani belonged to, provide evidence that he was a sunni and mention who from the Sunni scholars spoke of him. The same for the second guy who claimed Sharani met the 12th Mahdi, and the third guy who was the suppose teacher of sharani. Go ahead and bring me the quote from his book that he is in agreement with the shia. Same as above If he narrates the statement of Hakima he is quoting from Shia books, the existence of Hakima herself is disputed(see video) Bring the Page from his book were he says this and show me where Dayar Bakri, Mulla ‘Ali Qari, Abdul Haqq Dehlawi made the claim this his book is realible Go ahead and bring me the quote from his book that he is in agreement with the shia. Tell me what madhab Abdullah Sharani belonged to, provide evidence that he was a sunni and mention who from the Sunni scholars spoke of him. Then Quote from his book and show me where he wrote what al-islam claimed he wrote. Same as above. Since he is "Well known" this shouldnt be a problem Where did Nasr say this? Please bring a refrence. 1. Mulla Ali Qari ÑÍãå Çááøå mentioned the 12 Khalifs as such Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali ,Mu'awiya, Yazeed ,Abdul Malik bin Marwan ,Walid bin Abdul Malik bin Marwan ,Sulayman bin Abdul Malik bin Marwan ,Umar bin Abdul Aziz ,Yazeed bin Abdul Malik bin MarwanHasham bin Abdul Malik bin Marwan. References: Sharah Fiqah Akbar, by Mulla Ali Qari, p 176 (publishers Muhammad Saeed and son, Qur'an Muhalla. Sharah Fiqha Akbar, by Mulla Ali Qari, page 70 (published by Qadeemy Kutub Khana, Aram Bagh, Karachi) This is what he wrote in Mirqat The Shia refer the twelve Caliph as the continuous khalifas of the prophet’s Ahlebayt, the first is Ali ibn Abi Talib, Hasan bin Ali, Husayn bin Ali, Zain Al-Abdeen, Muhammad Al-Baqir, Jafar Al-Sadiq, Musa Al-Kadhem, Ali Al-Ridha, Muhammad Al-Taqi, Ali Al-Naqi, Hasan Al-Askari, Muhammad Al-Mahdi He is simply writing about what the Twelver believe in, he is not agreeing with the shia as per your lie. Tell me which madhab he belonged to, provide evidence that he was a sunni, provide me evidence that he was a scholar and mention who from the Sunni scholars spoke of him. Sibt was a shi3i and not a Sunni. He converted from sunni hanafism to shiism as Dhaahbi mentioned Hopefully you wont just repeat what you wrote earlier which we now have addressed twice or thrice, rather you will reply to that which we have adressed.own has nothing to do with your Mahdi.
  11. None of those ahadith really answers anything we have been talking about so far. Instead of doing a mass copy/paste why dont you read through all the posts and reply to them. Dont forget to add Infallibility to the mix
  12. Those questions are not related to the topic. The topic is about the 12th shi3i mahdi and what evidence they have for his existence and not about my understand. I have replied to all your posts and replied to anything you claimed as evidence, so far you have provided no evidence. So far you have claimed 13:7 and 2:3 as evidence for your Mahdi. And this has been replied to here You seem to have a problem understand the topic. This is talking about the Sunni Mahdi who will be born near the end of times. Its not talking about your 1000 year old hiding Mahdi Quoting a bunch of names of people you claim are Sunni Scholars that mention that the Mahdi has already been born is not evidence for your 12th Mahdi. 1. What evidence did these sunni scholars bring that the mahdi has been born. 2. Are these sunnis talking about your Mahdi the son of Hasan al askari. If not then its irrelevant.
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