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  1. Yes, Of course such gatherings are recommended
  2. Come on brother, be fair. I never claimed that it is forbidden. When I said Imams did not make it permissible, it does not Imams made it impermissible / forbidden. It means there are no narrations that explicitly encourage that this type of matam / latm....as it was developed later. My original question was about narration regarding Matam. Obviously by Matam I meant, the Matam which is performed in the present times. And this phrase "latm in an organized and rhythmic manner to the meter of a poem being sung" is best explanation to this term Matam which is done today everywhere. Both are same. So, there was no change of question. Infact, I never asked a second question. Well, frankly brother @Ibn Al-Ja'abi understood my question properly and gave an insight answer. You also gave good information, but I did not find it relevant to my question, that's the reason I did not react to it at first. Yet, I am thankful to you and others who responded. Wassalam.
  3. You are getting it wrong brother. I am not saying that its not permissible. It might be permissible jurisprudentially or even mustahab. I am saying that it was not made permissible by the Imams (peace be upon them). Because this issue was not there at that time, as you can see below that this type of system of latm was developed later. That's a smart way of arguing and dictating terms.
  4. @Ibn Al-Ja'abi Thanks for such a precise and insightful information. Jazakallah brother. I understood that latm/matam are a type of expression of Jaz. And every type jaz is allowed for Imam Husain (a.s) as mentioned in the narrations which I suppose are sahih. As you said that the intention of the narrations was to make permissible the act of Jaz and it seems that's the reason why marja's have given the permission of latm including tatbir based on jaz. Now Jaz as per narration includes slapping oneself in severe grief and having surrendered to one's emotions (or absence of patience) in the moment of grief at the time of latm/matam. So it is quite clear that the narrations did not give permission to latm in an organized and rhythmic manner to the meter of a poem being sung.
  5. Salaam, Is there any narration by Masumeen (peace be upon them) about matam? I mean using this word Matam. Please do not fill this thread by trying to justify Azadari / mourning / grieving / crying. I understand that it is a well established fact in Islam that these actions are highly recommended. Also, please remember, the question is not about TATBIR, so don't discuss tatbir here. My question is specifically about MATAM, how does that become part of Azadari. Is there any realiable hadith in which we are instructed to perform Matam, identical to those narrations where we are instructed to perform AZA?
  6. What is the shia view on ghusl and shroud for someone who attains martyrdom for the sake of Islam?
  7. With due respect I don't agree with this. I don't know about rest of the world but in India we have Ahle sunnat masjids praying azaan all 5 times through loudspeakers and yet shias don't separate their prayers.
  8. Okay. But Holy Prophet(pbuh) prayed separately oftentimes and combined very few times (with or without reason). Should we also call this sunnah and follow it??
  9. So I conclude that combination, with reason is fine, but doing that every day WITHOUT ANY REASON is not allowed. But then this puts entire shia world in a huge problem because most of the people combine without any genuine reason.
  10. But I don't understand if it is most recommendable to pray at different times, then why the entire Shia world combines the prayers? I can understand people who are busy in earning and working they can combine. But why everyone? Are we not taking undue advantage of facility provided to us?
  11. 1. Is there only one such incident or many where the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him and his progeny) combined his prayers?? 2. Is this hadith reliable? 3. What about our Imams, how did they pray? Any hadiths or literature. Please share?
  12. But I asked a hadith in support of combination from SHIA BOOKS. Because we must have a proper evidence for such a widely practiced sunnah. Every time we cannot use Sunni books for our conclusion. We know that shias have their own books and don't need to refer sunni sources except when there is some debate with them.
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