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In the Name of God بسم الله


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  1. Too much of anything is bad my friend.....drink too much water in a day it will cause bad effects on your body....you cant blame music for that
  2. to get 'angry' is a reactive attribute and i dont think god reacts to anything like we humans do....because he has it planned everything from day one:)......he knows what you gonna write next too:P
  3. i did read your complete post, but the reason i only qouted last part was because that was your conclusion. To my undersatnding non of those ayaats say anything about music specifically...all they say is that the 'worldy life' is nothing but amusement. Worldly can be eveything that we have here in this world. and what religious obligations are you talking about? how is it related to music? to me, to make somthing out of nothing is a quality or a gift of god to mankind. Music is eveywhere in nature if we pay attention....if it was something useless god would have never created it and he would have never given us the quality to express and be creative in the first place....by making music i feel we just try to imitate god himself and that way you feel closer to god not far from him.
  4. i make music and non of this is true......most of the people who blame music to be haram is because of its poetry and not because of its sound part. poetry and music are two different things. i dont see any reason for it to be haram. so you are sayting that you dont spend time enjoying and asmusing at all? you dont play?you dont watch tv? you dont spend time with family and friends talking? you dont go out to have some good enjoyable time at all? really?.....but when it comes to music its haram...it all makes sense right?
  5. Logic should be seen as a system to solve philosophical and mathematical problems, but the problem is that it has its own limits. We think logic and philosophy can solve all the problems in this universe and explain eveything....but they can not. I have suggested a link in my previous post to study the work of KURT GODEL who is considered to be the most influential logician and mathematician of 21st century and he explains in his theorem and acutually proves it how its impossible to solve problems like these or the problems of infinity. You should also look up for the 'liers paradox'....it explains the problem of logic the part of your question that your mind accepts that everything is either created or has a creator.....yes you can think that way but what your mind says can not be proven in universal sense and you will never be able to support it by a valid precedence or an valid analogy(what i meant by valid is that an analogy which can be proven either by experiment or such an event has happend in the past and people can agree on it as an axiom) Quran even says that the knowledge of 'Gaib' invisibile is only limited to Allah himself then i dont understand why people come up with their own incomplete logic. i believe there is a creator but i have no logic to prove it.....its just instinctive
  6. This kind of logic simply cannot work for a problem like this.....as i said earlier the system of logic on which we rely on only works in a closed system of variables which are known to us. Anything outside this system is beyond our reach. You may want to think its 'logic' but its not.
  7. its relative to what you believe in.....but yes for a muslim salat should be more peacefull and spritual. to be spritual or a state of peacefullnes is a feeling, and one can find different paths to get there. Muslims do it with salat, a buddist with meditation, a hindu with his puja and a musician may be through his music. So it simply depends on a person and his believes.
  8. its an extreamly important question. It raises question about the perfection and scaredness of Quran. People like me need clear answers. Ulemas should not take issues like this lightly because there are so many other people, for them issues like these can become reason to raise question on religion and a point to start getting away from religion. specialy when people like Pureethics come here and try to pretend champions of islam and come up with their nonsence logic and try to win the arguments for no reason.....do you want young generation to raise questions like these and give them a reason to get away from islam?
  9. yes truth feels rude to people who lie......why dont you show me the source of your words and shut me up?.....dont run away like that SOURCE? SOURCE? SOURCE? just one question
  10. i am not accusing you acutaly lied to all of us.....yes i asked you how you see that verse in quran but that does not mean somone can makeup a fake story and relate it to a quranic verse and try to defend his openions......if you dont have an answer you dont need to speak......that is absolutely pathethic on every level tell me honestly you made that story yourself or not? simple question? or tell me the source if you found it somewhere in hadith?
  11. you made this up for your convenience and you lied to all of us....and you are here telling us about morals and rule of god i dont know why am i even answering to your lame self made distorted answers
  12. i was talking about this.....you made this up on your own? what does that even mean? how old are you really?
  13. So you turned that quranic verse into somthing of your own and pretended that you had a good proof to shut me up and may be win this argument....how pathethic is that.....its not about wining the argument....we are searching for true answer
  14. Lets start from here Surah Saad 38:71/72 {And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: ‘I am going to create a human (Adam) from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud. So when I have fashioned him and breathed into him (his) soul created by Me, then you fall down prostrate to him.} you can clearly see that there were no humanly creatures before Adam....so all the ideas about other humans existing before adam who could have married adams sons and daugthers are false now Surah Nisa 4:1 {O mankind, fear your Lord, who created you from one soul(Adam) and created from it its mate(hawwa) and dispersed from both of them many men and women. And fear Allah , through whom you ask one another, and the wombs. Indeed Allah is ever, over you, an Observer.} Quran is clearly mentioning it was Adam Hawwa and their childern who populated earth. So the concept of humans mating with jins and hoors is also falsified and incest did take place then we have this verse which clearly says how incest is forbidden with its details.....contradiction or not? Surah Nisa 4:23 {Prohibited to you [for marriage] are your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your father's sisters, your mother's sisters, your brother's daughters, your sister's daughters, your [milk] mothers who nursed you, your sisters through nursing, your wives' mothers, and your step-daughters under your guardianship [born] of your wives unto whom you have gone in. But if you have not gone in unto them, there is no sin upon you. And [also prohibited are] the wives of your sons who are from your [own] loins, and that you take [in marriage] two sisters simultaneously, except for what has already occurred. Indeed, Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful}
  15. i seek absolute perfection if its word of god....leaving out information for us doesnt make any sense......and i am not talking about eveyrhing. I am only talking about the contradiction its creating when the information is left out and where is the hadith?... your brother didnt give any source for the hadith either...SOURCE PLEASE?
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