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  1. So all the companions were the closest companion of Prophet?That make thousands of closest companions! Ibn 'Abbas related that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, 'O Allah, strengthen Islam by 'Umar ibn al-Khattab especially.' This has been narrated in hadith of Abu Bakr as-Siddiq and Thawban. Al-Fadl ibn 'Abbas said: The Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, 'The truth, after me, is with 'Umar wherever he is.' Ibn 'Umar and Abu Hurairah, may Allah be pleased with both of them, said: The Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, 'While I was asleep I saw myself at a well upon which was a bucket, so I drew from it as long as Allah willed. Then later Abu Bakr took it and drew a full bucket or two, and in his drawing there was some weakness, and Allah will forgive him. Then 'Umar ibn al-Khattab came and drew water and it became transformed in his hand into a large bucket, and I have not seen a chief of the people do wonderful deeds such as he did, until the people had satisfied their thirst and settled down (there by the water).' An-Nawawi said in his Tahdhib: The men of knowledge say, 'This points to the khilafahs of Abu Bakr and 'Umar, and to the great number of conquests and the victory of Islam in the time of 'Umar.' Sadisah said: The Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, 'The shaytan has not met 'Umar since he accepted Islam but that he fell upon his face.' This hadith has been narrated also by Sadisah from Hafsah. As for Ali choosen by Allah.Is anything not chosen by Allah?Everything runs by his plans.So if you sat the three khalifs were choosen by Allah to create fitna,the greatest fitna occured in the khilafat of Ali with 100000 Muslims killed by Muslims and Ummah divided forever. Yes he wanted to divide the human worshipers stupid shias from the main body of sunni Islam,who worshiped one God.
  2. So the Prophet (pbuh) made a mistake in selecting his closest companions?Because not every companion was the closest to Prophet.If he made a mistake in choosing his companions and wives,how could he be right in choosing his successor? :D
  3. Maybe we should see a good optometrist and get some glasses. :)
  4. I always feel that only salafis convert to shiaism and vice versa.Both are extremist sects of human worship.Salafi the khalifs,shia the Imams.So that is natural that they only interchange idols. You will only rarely see a sunni convert to shiaism.Because only Sunnis follow the right Islam,as preached by Muhammad (pbuh) ) and taught by Ali.Islam that was only created to worship Allah. Every sect consider the other blind.But the only thing that matters is what was the sect of Prophet?New Muslims are never happy at being a Muslims,but must join a sect.So they become shia,sunni,salafis,wahabis but not Muslims.
  5. (salam) Zayd ibn Thabit Although Zayd was keen to participate in battles, it is not as a warrior that he is remembered. After his rejection for the Badr campaign, he accepted the fact then that he was too young to fight in major battles. His alert mind turned to other fields of service, which had no connection with age and which could bring him closer to the Prophet, peace be on him. He considered the field of knowledge and in particular of memorizing the Quran. He mentioned the idea to his mother. She was delighted and immediately made attempts to have his ambition realized. An-Nuwar spoke to some men of the Ansar about the youth's desire and they in turn broached the matter with the Prophet, saying: "O Messenger of Allah, our son Zayd ibn Thabit has memorized seventeen surahs of the Book of Allah and recites them as correctly as they were revealed to you. In addition to that he is good at reading and writing. It is in this field of service that he desires to be close to you. Listen to him if you will." The Prophet, peace be on him, listened to Zayd reciting some surahs he had memorized. His recitation was clear and beautiful and his stops and pauses indicated clearly that he understood well what he recited. The Prophet was pleased. Indeed he found that Zayd's ability exceeded the commendation he had been given by his relatives. The Prophet then set him a task which required intelligence, skill and persistence. "Zayd, learn the writing of the Jews for me," instructed the Prophet. "At your command, Messenger of Allah," replied Zayd who set about learning Hebrew with enthusiasm. He became quite proficient in the language and wrote it for the Prophet when he wanted to communicate with the Jews. Zayd also read and translated from Hebrew when the Jews wrote to the Prophet. The Prophet instructed him to learn Syriac also and this he did. Zayd thus came to perform the important function of an interpreter for the Prophet in his dealings with non-Arabic speaking peoples. Zayd's enthusiasm and skill were obvious. When the Prophet felt confident of his faithfulness in the discharge of duties and the care, precision and understanding with which he carried out tasks, he entrusted Zayd with the weighty responsibility of recording the Divine revelation. When any part of the Quran was revealed to the Prophet, he often sent for Zayd and instructed him to bring the writing materials, "the parchment, the ink-pot and the scapula", and write the revelation. Zayd was not the only one who acted as a scribe for the Prophet. One source has listed forty-eight persons who used to write for him. Zayd was very prominent among them. He did not only write but during the Prophet's time he collected portions of the Quran that were written down by others and arranged these under the supervision of the Prophet. He is reported to have said: "We used to compile the Quran from small manuscripts in the presence of the Prophet." In this way, Zayd experienced the Quran directly from the Prophet himself. It could be said that he grew up with the verses of the Quran, understanding well the circumstances surrounding each revelation. He thus became well-versed in the secrets of the Shariah and at an early age gained the well-deserved reputation as a leading scholar among the companions of the Prophet. After the death of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, the task fell on this fortunate young man who specialized in the Quran to authenticate the first and most important reference for the ummah of Muhammad. This became an urgent task after the wars of apostasy and the Battle of Yamamah in particular in which a large number of those who had committed the Quran to memory perished. Umar convinced the Khalifah Abu Bakr that unless the Quran was collected in one manuscript, a large part of it was in danger of being lost. Abu Bakr summoned Zayd ibn Thabit and said to him: "You are an intelligent young man and we do not suspect you (of telling lies or of forgetfulness) and you used to write the Divine revelation for Allah's Messenger. Therefore look for (all parts of) the Quran and collect it in one manuscript." Zayd was immediately aware of the weighty responsibility. He later said: "By Allah, if he (Abu Bakr) had ordered me to shift one of the mountains from its place, it would not have been harder for me than what he had ordered me concerning the collection of the Quran." Zayd finally accepted the task and, according to him, "started locating the Quranic material and collecting it from parchments, scapula, leafstalks of date palms and from the memories of men (who knew it by heart)". It was a painstaking task and Zayd was careful that not a single error, however slight or unintentional, should creep into the work. When Zayd had completed his task, he left the prepared suhuf or sheets with Abu Bakr. Before he died, Abu Bakr left the suhuf with Umar who in turn left it with his daughter Hafsah. Hafsah, Umm Salamah and Aishah were wives of the Prophet, may Allah be pleased with them, who memorized the Quran. During the time of Uthman, by which time Islam had spread far and wide, differences in reading the Quran became obvious. A group of companions of the Prophet, headed by Hudhayfah ibn al-Yaman, who was then stationed in Iraq, came to Uthman and urged him to "save the Muslim ummah before they differ about the Quran". Uthman obtained the manuscript of the Quran from Hafsah and again summoned the leading authority, Zayd ibn Thabit, and some other competent companions to make accurate copies of it. Zayd was put in charge of the operation. He completed the task with the same meticulousness with which he compiled the original suhuf during the time of Abu Bakr. Zayd and his assistants wrote many copies. One of these Uthman sent to every Muslim province with the order that all other Quranic materials whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies be burnt. This was important in order to eliminate any variations or differences from the standard text of the Quran. Uthman kept a copy for himself and returned the original manuscript to Hafsah. Zayd ibn Thabit thus became one of the foremost authorities on the Quran. Umar ibn al-Khattab once addressed the Muslims and said: "O people, whoever wants to ask about the Quran, let him go to Zayd ibn Thabit." And so it was that seekers of knowledge from among the companions of the Prophet and the generation who succeeded them, known as the "Tabiun", came from far and wide to benefit from his knowledge. When Zayd died, Abu Hurayrah said: "Today, the scholar of this ummah has died." When a Muslim holds the Quran and reads it or hears it being recited, surah after surah, ayah after ayah, he should know that he owes a tremendous debt of gratitude and recognition to a truly great companion of the Prophet, Zayd ibn Thabit, for helping to preserve for all time to come the Book of Eternal Wisdom. Truly did Allah, the Blessed and Exalted, say: "Surely We have revealed the Book of Remembrance and We shall certainly preserve it." (The Quran, Surah al-Hijr, 15:9) http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Article..._ibn_thabit.htm
  6. Great point raised by sister Capricorn. When imams are greater than Prophets,how can you not believe in the right one and still be a Muslim?When not believing in any Prophets makes you nonmuslim? I think because shia are in minority,they don't want to further diminish their quantity by declaring Fiver and Sevene as non Shia.But it is alright to state that Sunnis will not get into heaven. :) There are clear and ambiguous verses in Quran.Sects like shia cannot change the clear verses so the interpret ambiguous verses in their favor. But if there was a list of name of twelve Imams,it would fall under clear verse.Because how can you interpret a list of names? Every western author, of whom Aliya is a great fan,agree that the hadeeth of twelve Imams was a later creation.Otherwise some companion of Imams died without knowing the name of next Imam.
  7. I asked you 1)Does any Sahih Hadeeth prohibits praying on clothes? 2)If shia think praying on earth is so important,why do you get the floors of your mosque cemented? You answer by showing that people prayed on clothes when it was hot.You INTERPRET from this that it was prohibited to pray on cloth when it was cold.So I also interpret that companions did that to save clothes from being damaged by pebbles and getting dirty.Do you suppose they had Brite to wash clothes? Are you sure turbah is not another shia way to commit shirk by prostrating on mud from karbela?
  8. What the poster wants to know is that if there was a list of twelve Imams to come,how can fake Imams claim Imamat for themselves?And how can there be fiver and sevener shias? What I want to know is that Zayd and Nafs bin zakaria were strong candidate for Imamat against Imam Jaffer,whose Imamat was only saved when he produced a new theory of Imamat based on Nas and Ilm.Because no previous Imam ever mentioned this or infallibility and neither is it mentioned in Nehjal Belagha or Shafi e Kamala. If twelvers think that Imam Jaffer was the correct Imam,then the others were hypocrites trying to steal Imamat.Can a brave shia rise and say that they were hypocrites or do they reserve this term only for sunni elders? :D
  9. What you have got to realize is that before industrial revolution,cloth was a precious thing.Many sahabis used to pray with bare shoulders because they only own one pice of cloth.That was not a time when women discarded clothes simply because they were out of fashion. :) The clothes were so precious that the Prophet (pbuh) had no coffin but was shrouded in the linen from his bed. So to protect clothes they used to pray on earth. This hadeeth is another one. It is quite a novelty that shia prostrate on turbah from the mazar e Hussein.Why not pray on earth?Specially the earth where dung of animals is mixed with 'pure'earth. If anything not done by the Prophet is bidah then what about praying in Air Conditioned mosques and using loud speakers?
  10. Is there any sahih Hadeeth of Prophet that forbids praying on cloth? Praying on a small mat 374. It is related that Maymuna said, "The Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, used to pray on a small mat." : Praying on a bed Anas prayed on his bed. Anas said, "We used to pray with the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and some of us would prostrate on our clothes."
  11. PeerApr 9 2003, 11:35 AM QUOTE (Dhulfiqar @ Apr 9 2003, 03:57 PM) ShiaNews.com is infected with akhbar thoughts--ie the debate on Taqleed. Wa Salaam, Dhulfiqar Actually No. Many normal shias donot believe in Taqleed, I myself didn't believe in it ( i started doing it just 1-2 months ago) I know loads who donot believe in it, infact I think the majority of Pakistani Shias donot do anyone's taqleed, they all were in the taqleed of Sayyid Khui' and their concept died with his death. The ShiaNews guys are actually influenced by the mystic thoughts (the Pakistani sufism, not the one in which Sayyid Khomeini, Mutahiri etc believed).. You know what I mean Ali786: Thanks for the clarification.. ma'salama Talib-e-IlmApr 9 2003, 12:15 PM QUOTE infact I think the majority of Pakistani Shias donot do anyone's taqleed, they all were in the taqleed of Sayyid Khui' and their concept died with his death. You're right that many Pakistanis and Indians don't do taqleed but I think that is due to ignorance about the concept of taqleed and of religion in general. It wasn't until the Islamic revolution in Iran that we gained awareness of religion. Prior to that many hadn't event heard of things like Dua-e-Kumayl. A scholar was once telling us that Ayatollah Baqir Sadr (sa) used to tell his Pakistani/Indian students that your people have more love for Ahlul-Bayt than even us Arabs but yet they are so ignorant about religious matters that they can't perform basic things like wuzoo properly. This is why you see so many cult groups spring up amongst Shi'ahs in Pakistan. The akhbaris are a good example of this.
  12. http://www.shiachat.com/forum/lofiversion/....php/t7852.html Post by Peer,who is now a moderator.
  13. (salam) I am a sunni.I recently read something intresting that only Irani Shia Do Taqlid of a Marja.People of Iraq respect Sistani but are not Mudlids of him.Pakistani and Indians shia followed Al Khoei but after his death only a small number do Taqlid. What is your experience?
  14. What I was interested was the way Ali's name is involved in the whole business.Shia should refute or accept this whole episode.Qadyani Quran doesn't contain verses9:128-129,but shia Quran does contain them. *9:1 & *9:127 This is the only sura that is not prefixed with the Basmalah. This phenomenon has puzzled the students of the Quran for 14 centuries, and many theories were advanced to explain it. Now we realize that the conspicuous absence of the Basmalah serves three purposes: (1) It represents an advance divine proclamation that the idol worshipers were destined to tamper with the Quran by adding 2 false verses (9:128-129). (2) It demonstrates one of the functions of God's mathematical code in the Quran, namely, to guard the Quran against any alteration. (3) It provides additional miraculous features of the Quran's code. http://www.submission.org/tampering.html http://www.submission.org/suras/app29.html
  15. (salam) What do both Sunnis and shia think of this claim by Qadyanis?The verses in question are. 009.128 YUSUFALI: Now hath come unto you a Messenger from amongst yourselves: it grieves him that ye should perish: ardently anxious is he over you: to the Believers is he most kind and merciful. 009.129 YUSUFALI: But if they turn away, Say: "Allah sufficeth me: there is no god but He: On Him is my trust,- He the Lord of the Throne (of Glory) Supreme!" http://www.rashadkhalifa.org/proclamation.html
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