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  1. No they're not, we're not takfiri.
  2. No, I never praised him. Didn't even put ® next to his name. I said I don't want to sound too controversial on the thread. He murdered Sayyidina Fatima (AS), and stole Fadak. Of course. But there isn't denying he was a good administrator. That wasn't the point of the thread though. This article explains the point of this thread, read carefully. There are quite a few subtle but extremely pertinent points that I hope you don't miss out: Analysis: The Fifth Caliph And ISIS: Looking To History To Understand The PresentCould ISIS be the carriers of black flags and people with “hearts of iron” Muslims were warned about centuries ago? History may provide more insight than the talking heads who seem bewildered by ISIS’ bloody campaign of terror. The world continues to look on as the Middle East descends further into the abyss of war, ravaged by a terror seemingly animated only by blood and violence. Few seem able to comprehend what’s unfolding, but one political science professor says he’s found the the key to understanding the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria and unlocking its inner workings. Speaking to Marwa Osman on the Iraqi TV network Aletejah, Dr. Akl Kairouz noted that the wave of terror confronting the Arab world since 2011, this almost religious philosophy of war to which countries like Syria and Iraq have fallen victim to, is rooted in Middle Eastern history during a fight between what has been described as “good vs. evil.” The professor compared ISIS’ advances in the greater Levant to that of Muawiyah’s campaigns – the founder of the Umayyad dynasty – in the 7th century. It is important to note that from an Islamic standpoint, Muawiyah’s actions contradict the spirit of Islam, not only legally but religiously. “Looking at ISIS and how its leadership envisions war as a base upon which its ideology will be disseminated to the region and ultimately the world, it is clear that the group has drawn its inspiration from Muawiyah … the same patterns of violence, the same blind desire to impose one’s faith over unwitting communities, the same exclusive ideology and ascetic interpretation of the Islamic Scriptures, the same hegemonic ambitions,” he said. Kairouz added that ISIS is even geographically mapping its military advances based upon Muawiyah’s past campaigns. “Only by understanding the roots and inner motivations of ISIS will we be able to defeat this evil. What we need is historical peripheral vision,” he urged. Good versus evilCommenting on Kairouz’s historical analogy, political analyst and Islamic history buff Dr. Mohsen Ammanpour told MintPress News, “Indeed, too little importance is given to history and what lessons should be drawn from our past when dealing with our present.” “There is an undeniable parallel in between Muawiyah’s past crusades and how ISIS has conducted as well as organized its conquest of the Middle East,” Ammanpour added. Pushing the analogy onto more religious grounds, he stressed: “There is an important aspect of ISIS which we too often bypass as inherent to the group’s radical nature — its hatred of Shia Islam. This hatred is actually core to ISIS’ paradigm, its entire philosophy revolves around the idea that it is the true keeper of Islamic tradition and that the sword is the only mean to promote its faith. Islam’s break occurred under Muawiyah, when he chose to defy Imam Ali and proclaim himself heir to the throne of Islam. It is his rebellion which has fuelled sectarian violence across the ages. Today we are witnessing the unravelling of centuries of bad blood and religious distortion.” Muawiyah: the power hungry dissidentThe second son of Abu Sufyan ibn Harb and Hind bint Utbah – the most virulent detractors and enemies of the Prophet Muhammad – Muawiyah converted to Islam two years before the prophet’s death. He quickly rose to prominence after demonstrating excellent military and administrative skills under the leadership of Omar and Uthman – the second and third caliphs of Islam. A controversial figure, both Sunni and Shiite Muslims have a wildly different perspectives when it comes to Muawiyah and the subsequent rise of the Umayyad dynasty over Ahl al-Bayt — the House of the Prophet. Muawiyah was denounced by Shiite Islam, for he dared not only to defy the order of Imam Ali, the appointed caliph during this time, but to cross swords against his brothers in religion, even though such an act had been condemned and branded an act of apostasy by Prophet Muhammad himself. He is very much understood as an impostor, a tyrant and an evildoer of the highest degree because he willfully chose to misinterpret Islamic scripture to serve his hegemonic ambitions, using religion and faith to support his conquests and justify bloodshed. Speaking to MintPress, Sarah Anderson, an Islamic history researcher, explained that scholars have often argued that it was under Muawiyah’s influence that Muslims abandoned the spirit of the Constitution of Medina, a text written by Prophet Mohammed that served as a basis of the Islamic state (not to be confused here with ISIS). Under the Constitution of Medina, religious freedom was guaranteed, women were not to be harmed, enslaved or otherwise abused, civilians’ rights were guaranteed, and non-Muslims were given equal rights to Muslims as long as they agreed to pay taxes and did not disrupt the new social order. Islam’s crusaders are not Islamic“Over a thousand years have passed and Muslims are still arguing over the same religious and judicial principles – the sanctity of a Muslim life, what constitutes apostasy, one’s right to attack civilian population and religious freedom,” Anderson told MintPress. “If one was to make a historical analogy, Muawiyah’s military campaigns and his hegemonic vision could be compared to that of the [Catholic] Church during the Crusades. What we are seeing today in the Middle East is the resurgence of such philosophy, that one needs to assert one’s beliefs by the sword and annihilate all other religions.” In “The Heirs of the Prophet Muhammad” (2006), Barnaby Rogerson likens Muawiyah to Julius Caesar, stressing that his prowess as a military strategist and his thirst for conquest were quite similar to that of the Roman emperor. “Looking back at Muawiyah’s reign and the manner in which he rationalized what Shia scholars understand as his heresy against Islam, it is difficult not to see striking parallels with ISIS today,” explained Dr. Ammanpour. “The battle of Siffin, which saw Imam Ali’s troops pitted against Muawiyah’s men, is where Raqqa stands today. Is it a coincidence ISIS chose to establish its capital on this very ground? Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t, but such signs should stand as a reminder of ISIS’ motivations and what model it seeks to replicate.” Islam’s first civil war was fought on the banks of the Euphrates in 657. Though centuries have passed, the old religious argument, this claim of sanctity and righteousness over the spirit of Islam, rages on. Born out of fanaticism and extremism, ISIS has been dubbed by many in the Islamic world as Islam’s Second Fitna (civil strife), in direct reference to the First Fitna, the Battle of Siffin, which saw Islam splinter into two factions: the people of Ali — the Shiites — and those who chose to bow to the Umayyad — the Sunnis. ISIS’ actions today are very much understood as an attempt to settle an old feud with Shiite Islam — a feud which started under Muawiyah’s influence. The closing of a circleAs politicians and analysts debate on how best to eradicate ISIS and the terror it has brought in its wake, Muslim scholars see in the radical phenomenon that is ISIS the closing of a cycle. Yussef Safwan told MintPress that, as a Muslim scholar, the most interesting part is that “[t]his war we are seeing unfold has been foretold … whether one believes in Islam is in some ways irrelevant, since ISIS believes that its army is fulfilling an Islamic prophecy. Belief and faith have precedent over politics and even realities.” “Just as Christians and Jews have their own understanding of the apocalypse, Muslims have been taught in great detail what chain of events will lead to the end times. ISIS’ ideology is tied to this prophecy. Its militants have been taught they are the instruments of God’s will and that under their impetus Mahdi [islamic savior] will come forth,” explained Safwan. “But if ISIS believes its goals will be sanctified, others believe the black army is the very evil our Prophet warned us against in his hadiths [islamic prophetic traditions].” In Kitab Al Fitan – a compilation of hadiths relating to the end of times assembled by prominent scholar Nuyam bin Hammad in Islamic calendar year 229 – Imam Ali bin Abu Talib reportedly said: “If you see the black flags, then hold your ground and do not move your hands or your feet. A people will come forth who are weak and have no capability, their hearts are like blocks of iron. They are the people of the State (literally the people of Al Dawla), they do not keep a promise or a treaty. They call to the truth but they are not its people. Their names are (nicknames like Abu Mohammed) and their last names (are the names of town and cities, like Al Halabi) and their hair is loose like women’s hair. (Leave them) until they fight among themselves, then Allah [God] will bring the truth from whoever He wills.” The question remains: Could ISIS be the violent, deviant black army that the Prophet Muhammad and Imam Ali warned Muslims about hundreds of years ago? http://www.mintpressnews.com/analysis-fifth-caliph-isis-looking-history-understand-present/197829/
  3. I am Shia. Why? Because of my username? Shias keep the name Bilal as well you know, Bilal (RA) was a sahabi
  4. This is an extremely important topic, and I don't want to be controversial; but it is important to discuss in my opinion, and the reasons why we are seeing a plague in Muslim societies today. I won't go into the specifics of what happened right after the death of the Prophet(S) to avoid sounding controversial. Let us say that Hazrat Umar was a good administrator of the Islamic empire, and kept a tight lid/control over affairs. The empire grew very rapidly after the death of Prophet(S), in fact, too rapidly, which caused a lot of problems. However, after the death of Hazrat Umar, rifts based on tribal affiliations and families started taking place within the Muslim community. The Ummayads started to influence matters, and challenged the writ of the state. I would say that the problem with the Muslim community even during the time of Prophet(S) was that the people that had directly fought Muslims in the Battles of Badr and Uhad, people/munafiqs such as Abu Sufyan and Khalid bin Waleed, started gaining prominence in the Muslim Ummah once they entered the realm of Islam, and after the life of the Prophet(S) during the caliph's times. It were these people, and their progeny (Muawiya was the son of Abu Sufyan, Yazid was the son of Muawiya) that caused the destruction of Muslim society, and caused tremendous pain and suffering to the family of the Prophet(S). It was clear from the death of Hazrat Umar, that the Muslim community started disintegrating rapidly, with the Ummayads (and Abbasids later on) trying to grab power at the expense of the state. Imam Ali (AS) saw Muawiya responsible for the first great fitna, and in-fighting between Muslims in the Battle of Jamal and Siffin. Imam Hasan (AS) had to settle with Muawiya through a peace treaty, and was then poisoned to death. It was abundantly clear that under Yazid, and bloodthirsty, power grabbing people; Islam would have gone undergone total destruction, and Imam Hussain (AS) made the ultimate sacrifice in Karbala. However, with the rise of ISIS and other militant groups throughout the world, we can see all this emanated after the life of Prophet(S), with the gradual disintegration of the Muslim Ummah. Green - Region under the control of Imam Ali (AS) Red - Region under the control of Muawiya Blue - Region under the control of Amr bin Aas It absolutely boggles me how anyone can call the progeny of Abu Sufyan (Muawiya, Yazid), and Abu Sufyan companions of the Prophet(S), when they were responsible for creating fitna in the Muslim society for their thirst for power; and are the reason why we see the plague in the Muslim world today. There are more and more Wahabi and Deobandi scholars coming out today, praising Yazid (calling him Yazeed ® nauzibillah) and claiming Imam Hussain (AS) was wrong. Calling Yazid the rightful caliph, and Imam Hussain (AS) a rebel. This is the reason why the Muslim world, and especially the Arab world, has its plague.
  5. What is the current situation in Baghdad, Najaf and Karbala right now?
  6. Al-Saud regime reportedly executed a prominent Shia cleric. However, the report was not confirmed, and was believed to be planted on a fake duplicate “look-alike” international website of world media, ostensibly to check reactions and play havoc within ranks of his loyalists. Shia leaders had warned Saudi Arabia will pay a heavy price if its crucifixion death sentence was carried out against Shaikh Nimr. BEIRUT, 20 Oct: A series of suspected ISIS bombings killed around 43 Shias in a Baghdad mosque, blasted four car bombs in holy Karbala city, and captured two districts of Nineveh province in Iraq on Monday. Meanwhile, in Syria, Kurd defenders defeated ISIS invaders in Kobani (Kobane) near Turkish border, which was relatively calmer today, after dozens of ISIS militants were killed. In Yemen, al-Qaeda blew 30 Zaidi Houthis dead in Rad’a city and captured another Al-Adeen town. A suicidal attacker blew up his explosives among worshippers leaving a Shia mosque in a commercial area in the center of Baghdad following midday prayers on Monday. Iraqi officials who spoke on condition of anonymity said at least 17 people lost their lives and 28 others were injured. Hours later, three separate car bombs went off simultaneously near government offices in the Shia holy city of Karbala, killing at least 16 people and injuring 40 others. The attack occurred during the noon prayers when a suicide bomber detonated an explosive vest inside al-Khairat Shia mosque at a commercial district in downtown Baghdad. The attack apparently was part of a series of deadly attacks during the past few days that targeted the predominantly Shia districts in Baghdad, killing and wounding dozens of Iraqis. It was the second such attack in the capital in 24 hours, officials said. ”It was a suicide attack that targeted people who were just leaving Husseiniyat al-Khayrat” after midday prayers in the Sinak area, a police colonel said. At least 26 more people were wounded, according to the officer and a medical official. The attack comes less than a day after a suicide bomber attacked another Shiite mosque in central Baghdad, killing at least 22 people and wounding at least 36. Baghdad has in recent days seen a rise in the number of bomb attacks, several of which have been claimed by the Islamic State militant group. IRAQ: 1,110 KILLED IN SEPT: According to the United Nations, at least 1,110 people were killed in acts of violence across Iraq in September. There has been a rise in bomb attacks by the ISIS militant group in Iraq during the last week, claiming scores of lives in each of those bomb attacks and blasts. Before Monday’s hit on mosque in Baghdad, a bomb explosion outside a Shia Muslim mosque in western Baghdad left 17 worshipers dead and dozens wounded on Monday. The overall security situation in Iraq has worsened over the past months after the ISIS terrorists, of whom many are foreign militants, took control of parts of the country’s northern and western regions. ANTI-SHIA TERROR DURING MUHARRAM MOURNING EACH YEAR: The spate of bombings has raised fears that the extremist group would seek to attack large gatherings of Shiite worshippers during the month of Muharram, which starts at the end of the week. The second-holiest month in the Islamic calendar after Ramadan includes the Ashura commemorations, during which hundreds of thousands of Shiite faithful converge on the holy city of Karbala on foot. The event has been marred by devastating bombings in past years and on Monday militants signalled they were able to strike the city, which lies about 80 kilometres (50 miles) south of Baghdad. The faithful who want to march to Karbala from Baghdad have to walk through an area which has been known as the “triangle of death” and where almost daily attacks are carried out. The procession will pass close to Jurf al-Sakhr, a farmland area southwest of the capital which has been one of the deadliest frontlines in Iraq since the Islamic State group’s June offensive, which saw the militants seize large areas. Iraqi government forces, backed by US-led air strikes, have strived to pin back the militants there, partly in a bid to secure the area ahead of the Ashura mourning rituals. FOTO: The ISIS terrorists have been committing heinous crimes in the captured areas, including mass executions and beheading of people. They have threatened all communities, including Shias, Sunnis, Kurds, Christians and Izadi Kurds. 30 ZAIDI HOUTHIS KILLED IN BLAST AT CHECKPOINT: An explosion near a checkpoint manned by Ansarullah fighters in northern Yemen has claimed the lives of at least 30 people, while injuring others. The explosion took place in the city of Rada’a in al-Bayda Province when a bomber set off his explosive-laden vehicle near the checkpoint. The Houthi movement’s Ansarullah fighters have been engaged in clashes with militants in the city. Some other parts of the country have witnessed similar clashes in the past days. The Houthis are trying to drive out the militants to secure various areas of the country. They have been making advances in Yemen’s restive south, taking control of the towns of Yarim and Rada’a. Al-Qaeda-linked militants controlled the towns for nearly two years. The Ansarullah fighters have been sending reinforcements to the south, near the al-Qaeda strongholds, in an attempt to drive the terrorists out of the area. In September, Ansarullah revolutionary fighters gained control over the capital Sana’a following a four-day battle with army forces loyal to General Ali Mohsen al-Ahmar, the half-brother of former dictator, Ali Abdullah Saleh. AL-QAEDA TAKES AL-ADEEN TOWN IN YEMEN: Al-Qaeda-linked militants have captured a town in Yemen’s southern province of Ibb amid fierce battles with Shia Houthi Ansarullah fighters in the area, Yemeni security officials say. The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said al-Qaeda-linked militants captured al-Adeen town 200 kilometers (125 miles) south of capital Sana’a on Monday, but refused to provide further details. The al-Qaeda militants stormed the local security headquarters of al-Adeen last week and captured it for several hours before being forced to retreat from the area. Meanwhile, fierce fighting continued between Ansarullah fighters and al-Qaeda militants in Rada’ area in Bayda Province south of Sanaa, killing 20 Houthis and 15 militants. Also on Monday, the governor of Sana’a, Abdul-Ghani Jameel, resigned days after the Ansarullah movement accused him of corruption. Ansarullah fighters have been making advances in Yemen’s restive south, taking control of the towns of Yarim and Rada’. Al-Qaeda-linked militants were controlling the towns for nearly two years. In September, Ansarullah revolutionary fighters gained control over the capital, following a four-day battle with army forces loyal to General Ali Mohsen al-Ahmar, the half-brother of former dictator, Ali Abdullah Saleh. Ansarullah fighters control the cities of Sana’a, Ibb, Dhamar and the major port city of Hodeidah. They also secured their presence in Tawwal border crossing and Wagha region in Hajjah Province on Saturday. The Ansarullah movement played a major role in the popular uprising that forced Saleh to step down after more than 33 years in power. Yemen has been facing threats from al-Qaeda-linked militants, as well as a separatist movement in the country’s southern region. TERRORISTS A THREAT AGAINST HUMANITY: ROUHANI Iran’s President Hassan Rouhani has described terrorism as a threat against humanity and called for collective effort to eliminate the scourge. “Terrorists are fighting against civilizations and humanity; and murdering either Christians or Muslims makes no difference for them,” Rouhani said at a Monday meeting with Armenian Prime Minister Hovik Abrahamyan in Tehran. The remarks come as ISIS terrorists have been wreaking havoc in the Middle East in recent months. The ISIS terrorists, initially trained and sponsored by some regional and extra-regional countries to destabilize the Syrian government, control large parts of Syria’s northern territory. SAUDIS BEHIND 60% OF BOMBINGS IN IRAQ: SAUDI’S AL-HAYAT NEWSPAPER Saudi nationals have orchestrated and carried out the majority of bombing attacks in neighboring Iraq, a Saudi newspaper reveals. According to the Saudi-based newspaper al-Hayat, Saudi militants belonging to the ISIL Takfiri group have been behind 60 percent of the bomb attacks in Iraq during September and early October this year. At least 21 bomb attacks were reportedly recorded in that time span. The destabilizing acts mostly targeted military bases and checkpoints in different Iraqi provinces, resulting in the deaths of scores of Iraqi civilians. Some political analysts have also confirmed Saudi Arabia is one of the main training centers and logistic supporters of these terrorists in the region. Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi spoke openly about the countries that support the ISIS terrorists, referring to Saudi Arabia and some Persian Gulf Arab states. ”Many provocateurs exist inside Saudi Arabia and some of the Persian Gulf regions and they embrace the same Takfiri discourse as ISIL,” the Iraqi premier said in an interview with al-Hurra, a US-based Arabic-language satellite TV channel. “ISIL is now posing a threat to several countries such as Saudi Arabia and Turkey,” he said, adding, “They knew that well, but they imagined that they could use them to pressure their enemies and their rivals in the region.” The Iraqi prime minister called on the Saudi government to move “in proportion to the needs of the time, so as for us to open a new and positive page with everyone.” Former Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki said in March that Saudi Arabia and Qatar are openly declaring war on Iraq by supporting the militants in the crisis-hit country. The ex-Iraqi prime minister slammed “the dangerous Saudi stance of supporting terrorism in the world – it supports it in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Egypt and Libya and even in countries outside the Arab world.” The ISIS terrorists, who currently control parts of Syria and Iraq, have committed widespread acts of violence, including mass executions, abductions, torture and forcing women into slavery in the areas they have seized in the two countries. ABADI MEETS SISTANI: Meanwhile, Iraq’s most revered Shia cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, Monday met Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi and expressed his support to Abadi’s new government and its fighting against the extremist Islamic State (IS) militant group. “Sistani welcomed and blessed the formation of the new government and stressed on the necessity for me to be open to other Iraqi factions to preserve the country’s national unity,” Abadi told reporters after the meeting with Sistani in the holy Shia city of Najaf, some 160 km south of Baghdad. Abadi said that the Grand Ayatollah supported Abadi’s stance to reject foreign ground troops on Iraqi soil, Xinhua reported. ”We can liberate our territories by ourselves because there is no state in the world ready to fight instead of you and give you the land. We have to work hand in hand to liberate our territories, ” Abadi said. Abadi’s meeting with Sistani is widely seen as gaining symbolic significance. The top Shia cleric has refused to receive all politicians during the past four years as a signal of discontent toward the way they run the country. http://dailymessenger.com.pk/world/2014/10/21/anti-shia-war-saudi-executes-ayatollah-4-bombs-blast-karbala-suicide-hit-kills-namazi-prayers-in-baghdad-mosque/
  7. No, we do not do takfir. It is unfortunate that the takfiris give majority of the Sunni Muslims, who are peaceful and peace loving, a bad name.
  8. It is extremely frustrating to watch ISIS make gains in Iraq everyday. I fear for that country, I think Iran and Hezbollah should play a more active role in defeating ISIS in Iraq. It is extremely distressing to see the land of Imam Hussain (AS) so divided, having so much local support for Khawarij like ISIS.
  9. I have never had too many Shia friends in my life, in Pakistan or in the US, so I also joined this community to make more Shia friends here.
  10. No, I am a practicing Shia, pretty well read in both Shia and Sunni literature. I reject Takfirism, but I have some objections with political Islam everywhere. I am currently in the taqleed of Grand Ayatollah Sistani (HA), but I am looking to change to Grand Ayatollah Saanei (HA).
  11. Salam everyone on Shiachat! I have been following certain topics of shiachat.com for a long time, but I never registered. I have registered today. My name is Bilal Haider (my full name is Syed Bilal Haider Naqvi), and I am Shia from Pakistan; but living in the US. I am a moderate Shia (in terms of religious/political leanings), but am a firm believer in Shia-Sunni unity. I am pretty well read in Shia and Sunni literature, and I joined this forum so I could have good discussions with members here on interesting, theological subjects.
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