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  1. as salam alaykum my dear brothers and sisters. Shias and Sunnis. Indeed I spend good time talking with you at this forum. I met some good personalities like brother Abbas, sister hameedeh and many others. But unfortunately, like everywhere in the life. Here also we see some crazy fanatics, lunatics, animals. And they deserve to be treated like animals. I don't think so. In contrast to you, I know who is my father.
  2. Thanks bro. My new keypad is awesome. Now c/p is much easier than before. Sorry I forgot to invent something new by myself, and used materials from my brothers. Other forms of Ijtihad? I posted those 3 examples from many more, to show that in accordance to you guys, man can do taqiyyah (not telling truth) even when there is no fear for his life. I don't think you guys are so insane that you believe that your Imam would be crucified in case of he wouldn't say: Yahya (alaihi salam) was the son of Mariam’s Aunt (from her Mother’s side)”. ! You can't be shia till such level, that you believe caliphs would catch them only due to this. Besides, I love how you and your scholars like to play the role of victims. "OMG we been oppressed! OMG we been imprisoned!". -Abu Hanifah al Nu’uman was tortured until it was said that he was killed in the prison of al Mansour because he supported the revolutions of several from AhlulBayt like Muhammad and his brother Ibrahim the children of al Hassan (r.a). And he supported the revolution of Zaid bin Ali ZainulAbedeen on the Umayyads. He had said when Zaid revolted: “His Khourouj is equal to the Khourouj of the Prophet (sallalahu alaihi wa ala alihi wa sallam) on the day of badr”. He gave Imam Zaid 30,000 Dirhams to fund his revolution. Then in 145 h, He supported the revolution of Muhammad known as al Nafs al Zakkiyah who was from alulbayt . Then Abu Hanifa made a fatwa on the permissibility of joining his army and he gave him 4,000 dirhams then told him that he had nothing else left to give. -Imam Malik also was hit with whips until his shoulder was dislocated as he was of the same opinion of Abu Hanifa. When he was asked “Is it permissible to fight those who make Khourouj against the Caliph?” He said: “It’s permissible if they make Khourouj on the likes of Umar bin Abdul Aziz”, that’s mean it’s allowed to make Khourouj on all other caliphs. Then they asked him and in the case of it not being Ibn Abdul Aziz? He replied: “Then let them, and let Allah take his revenge from the oppressors with the oppressors”. So he forbade anyone from defending the caliphs and so he was tortured. More than this, He encouraged going against the caliph Abu Ja’afar publicly during Al Nafs al Zakiyyah’s revolution. The Muslims of Madinah came to him and told him that they can’t join because they have pledged allegiance to the abbasi Caliph so he told them: “You made this Allegiance while you were Mukraheen (oppressed and forced to do so) and the Mukrah does not need to keep his promise (allegiance)”. So the people hurriedly joined the army of Muhammad. -Then the famous hardships which Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal had to face in the days of Al Ma’amoun and Al Mutawakkil in the issues of “the creation of the Quran” . Many others died as a result like Muhammad bin Nooh who accompanied Ibn Hanbal and the Faqih and Muhaddith Na’eem bin Hamad and Yusuf bin Yahya al Bouti al Masri the companion of Imam al Shafi’i and his successor. These scholars died in prison. Then you have the grand scholar Ahmad bin Nasr al Khuza’ee who was killed by the Caliph al Wathiq himself with the sword. -The Imam al Shafi’i who (as it was reported) was killed by some of the extremist Mouqallids of Imam Malik in Egypt… Narrating the stories and hardships and the oppression of the scholars of ahlul Sunnah is a giant task which needs separate books. It’s totally unacceptable and unfair that the Shia scholars trick the laymen and followers by telling them this or that narration is a taqqiyah by the Imam because they were the only victims, and that the caliphs had nothing better to do than to spy on them and hear their news and spread webs of spies to track down their hidden Mahdi. It was narrated in elevated form... I do assume that it means this report has NO chain. And no matter what, you still use it. Good for you. Basically this report is a green light for making religion based on one's own opinion. if you see two contradicting reports, take whatever you want and leave the other. That is the way your scholars do their ijtihad?
  3. So now, you are following only living scholars? Why then you do follow passed Imams? And Khoei was from 20th century.
  4. Another shia giant, great scholar, virtous Imam, better known as Mufid, said in his "Awail al-Maqalat" (Farsi edition, bab 16): Translation: 16 – Speech about Innovators and the titles and the rules they deserve. Imamiyah agree that all innovators are Kafir. It is necessary for the Imam, when in power, to make them do repentance, after inviting(dawah) them(to reject biddah) and reasoning with them and providing them evidence. If they repent and return to the straight path, they will be freed, otherwise, on the ground of turning back from the faith, they will be killed. And if anyone of them dies in a state of innovation is from the people of hell. The Mutazilite did Ijmah opposite that (above rule). They thought that most of the innovators are Fasiq not Kafir. Among the Islamic sects, there are groups who neither consider the innovator a Fasiq nor out of the fold of Islam like the friends of Ibn Shabib from Murjia, and Batriya sect from Zaydia, who share the same Usool (doctrine) with Ibn Shabib. Though, they disagree with him on the attributes of Imam. Try to spot the difference between this standpoint and standpoint of ISIS. I couldn't.
  5. Just another example how shia scholars behaved with ahlesunnah. First let me introduce the hero of this post. "Mawlana Haydar Ali ibn Al-Mawla Mirza [Muhammad] Al-Shirwani, he was Revered Noble, and a Grand Scholar" this his description from the book of Muhadith Noori. Book entitled "Fayd Al-Qudsi fee Tarjamat Al-‘Alamah Al-Majlisi " (p 251), and Noori said regarding this Shirwani: “And it has been verified about him that he used to invite Ahl Al-Sunnah to his house, and remains patient with them until he gets an opportunity and is able to accomplish what he wants, so he takes a knife/blade with his shivering hands, since he had passed his 90th year [at the time], and places it in the throat of one of them killing him in the utmost viciousness”. “And the Haydariya [group] attributed to him used to fast, and when they wish to break their fast with something Halal,they walk to the stores of Ahl Al-Sunnah or their homes and steal something [from there] and break their fast with it, …” “And he has a treatise establishing the Filthiness (Najasah) of non Imamies (non-Twelver Shiahs) and that they have left Islam, and Al-Mawla Zayn Al-Deen Al-Khawansari has a treatise in which he replies on him”. I just wonder, how many modern shias would follow the path of this scholar with great joy?
  6. as salam alaykum. Really? Really my brother? 1) كان يحيى عليه السلام إبن خالة مريم، قال المجلسي: لعل الخبر محمول على التقية.[83] وفي بعض الروايات أن مريم كانت أخت أم يحيى ، ولعل أحدهما محمول على التقية. “Al Baqir (r) said: Yahya (alaihi salam) was the son of Mariam’s Aunt (from her Mother’s side)”. Majlisi said: Maybe this is Taqqiyah. Source: Bihar al Anwar 14/202. 2) يوم عاشوراء هو اليوم الذي ولد فيه عيسى بن مريم عليه السلام، قال المجلسي: لعل الخبر محمول على التقية Al Baqir (r) said: The Day of Ashoura is the day when Isa bin Mariam (alaihi salam) was born. Al Majlisi: This can be taqqiyah. Source: “Bihar al Anwar” 14/215. 3) Ali (alaihi salam) was asked about the days and what actions are permitted in each one, he said: يوم السبت يوم مكر وخديعة ويوم الأحد يوم غرس وبناء ويوم الإثنين يوم سفر وطلب، قال المجلسي: يمكن حمل ما ورد في الإثنين على التقية، وكذا قال العاملي “Saturday is a day of scheming and trickery, sunday is a day of planting and building, monday is a day of traveling and seeking”. Al Majlisi said: We can consider what came on monday as taqqiyah and this is the opinion of sheikh al Amili. Source: “Bihar al Anwar” 59/23. Just 3 examples from many. Could you please explain me how Imam could be hurt if he would not say these words? Actually not me, you supposed to be worried about rulings of your scholars that permitted to lie upon opponents. How can you trust them, when they are saying anything against us, if they permitted to lie upon us?
  7. What is so funny my brother? Your scholars? Your preachers? O yeah. Indeed they are funny. Funny that someone trusting his religion and hereafter to such people.
  8. Could you consider yourself becoming adult one day? Or at least teenager?
  9. I don't think that you need to make an attempts to object my words with such silly question.I know that in accordance to you guys, whoever is not shia he is from people of innovation. So yes, IN YOUR view, we are people of innovation. Problem for you are: 1) In the fatwa talk is about a moment of argumentation. And I don't think ISIS will bother themselves in the argumentation or debates with such people like we. They simply will shot you. Question : Is lying to an innovator or a promoter of deviance permissible during the time of argumentation against him? If that lie was used to refute his proof and it nullifies his false claims? [Answer by] al-Khū’ī: If the reply to him stops his falsehood,it is permissible. 2) There is no single hint in this fatwa, that talk is about moments of fear. But anyway nice try my brother. See answer above. Talk is about argumentation. And no indication of fear.
  10. as salam alaykum wa rahmatullah my dear friend. I have been graded as nasibi, wahabi and etc. People mocked and abused me here. But such good people like you helps us to continue our debates in the civil form.
  11. Honestly speaking my friend. Shias have no merits in my stance on Yazid. I came to conclusion by reading the books of our own classical scholars.
  12. as salam alaykum to all. I didn't manage to answer all people in this thread. Praise to Allah, I have some free time to answer notes of my brothers. You can't even imagine my friend how "much" I care if someone from 12-ers would proclaim me his enemy. Yes, MAY Allah BE PLEASED with Muawiyah! And let you blood continue to boil due to this.
  13. I asked for his own words, words where he rejected Islam. Not opinion of others on his intentions.
  14. as Salam Alaykum. Could you please be so kind to share with your thoughts on this incident? https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2016/10/28/yemeni-rebel-rocket-shot-down-near-mecca
  15. When we are trying to give a ruling on someone's Islam, we have to be 101% sure. Please don't forward me to secondary sources. Quote report with full chain of narrators till the eye witness of incident, where Yazid uttered words that put him out from the Islam. After please provide proofs from Quran and Sunnah that owner of such words would not be a Muslim.
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