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In the Name of God بسم الله

salamtek

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  1. Hi Chaotic! I can tell you right now that we follow both Peter and Paul, which are the leaders of the Roman church. Peter visited modern day Iraq and gave his blessing to the churches. 1 Peter 5:13 The Pesheta is a Nestorian text, and many churches in Sham and the Arabian Peninsula were Nestorian or part of the Western (Catholic and Orthodox) Church. The Nestorian church stretched from Syria to Japan, so it covers a lot of ground. The earliest versions of the Pesheta (khubarus codex) we have already has Paul in it. If you follow the link you'll see on Romans 1:1 The Church of the East's
  2. Jesus references the Psalm, he's saying it so that they could know that he is the messiah. Many Christian bibles only come with the word, there is no tafsir anywhere. Luckily, I have a Catholic Bible, and they're known for including tafsirs in most of their Bibles. If by corresponds you mean reference, it is here.
  3. Depending on the Jew, they do. Many Jews don't even study Jerusalem Talmud, and the ones that do complain that it's too hard to understand (which I can attest to, past 3 words I have difficulty). Even Christians to some extent, there is a conversation that takes place between Satan and God, when he exalts Job in front of Satan in Job 1:8. There is a meeting. We don't know when it is...but according to Jewish tradition, Job's suffering began after rosh hashannah, and ended that year the evening before rosh hashannah, so around 353 days. fromyomkippur-rosh hashannah is one option (probably an o
  4. It's through discussion we understand differences and similarities, through transfer of one message to another. I would not know that Islam is split into Sunni and Shia if it wasn't through discussion, and many would think that all Muslims are terrorists if it wasn't for discussion. There is a place for it; can you think of a better place than a interfaith dialogue board? I believe that something can't be a curse and a blessing. If something is both, then it just is. What you do with it depends on your desires, it's a neutral medium: neither a curse nor blessing. The only non-trinitaria
  5. Then the Word is eternal, and by default is God. Jesus' body is not of issue until the resurrection, in which case, he already achieved everlasting life via the body. You've probably made up your mind on Jesus' split natures, so any amount of convincing is probably beyond my reach. I suppose we must agree to disagree.
  6. Could you explain what you mean? Because God gave him rights to said authority. Not only that, but his lineage will in fact have the throne of Israel, as from his lineage, the Messiah will come. God is not inferior to David. God's "lineage" is so because we anthropomorphize God. God isn't a human to have a "lineage", not a human to have a wife...Jesus is his "son" because humans cannot comprehend the holiness of God, nor his plan, so he gives them in simple terms so that it's easier to understand: we call that a Mystery. It's the same with a trinity, we cannot comprehend it, it's divinity i
  7. a) Since Jesus was legally Joseph's son in the kingly line, Jesus was and is legally entitled to the throne of David. b] Not only that, but Mary is Joseph's far relative, so the kingly line would still be in Jesus' lineage. c) King Jeconiah (from Joseph's side) would invalidate his right to rule.
  8. There's no guarantee Jesus was the angel in the burning bush. Where do you find your sources that the Logos was speaking? The torah says Moses was too afraid to look into the fire, and that YHVH spoke. Jesus was God on earth, not human turned into God. He is also descended of King David, so is called "King of the Jews". During his crucifixion it was written atop him "Jesus the Nazarene, King of the Jews". So he was a king, so you can't say in the next breathe "the government is not on his shoulders". If you accept Jesus as your savior, how are you reconciling this with Isaiah 43:11,
  9. I know that in Jewish lore, the messiah needs to be born from the house of David...and he is part of something called the 36 Secret Righteous ones. There will come a time when the messiah is destined to arrive, and this specific person (1 out of the 36), will be formed by God into the messiah after his birth, hence the "disappearing from sight" because the messiah will be so much more divine than a human will be. (There's a story about one of the Jewish sages going into a cave and he became so holy, so he went back into the cave for a month to de-holify...this is only a fraction of the messiah
  10. Technically, there are 36 (lamadvavniks) possible candidates for a messiah in each generation. They are also the reason God keeps the world from destruction. Most Jewish commentators believe that these are 3 separate children...Rashi believes that they are 1 child and 1 like-son (Shear-Yashuv). You're also forgoing the fact that the Septuagint translated it as parthenos, and 70 Jewish religious leaders translated it as this. As I've said, in double prophecy, it's not contingent solely on the Hebrew, as it might have used documents that are now lost to time. It could have very well meant alma
  11. That's not to say I believe in their interpretation. It's just that its been answered by Christian mystics, which answers 2 questions N had.
  12. There was this one..I can't remember exactly the quote, but it was something along the lines of "You don't know you're going to die in the same land you were born" or something to that effect. If you can help me find the quote (English/Arabic), I'd appreciate it!
  13. Again, its a mystic thing and how I've heard their argument explained. I'm not sure if it was changed by God in the "imprint" stage. This argument was given by people who obviously knew Kabbalah so I can't say I'm 100% sure I even have the explanation right...but there were early Christian mystics that were Jewish because Christianity and Judaism were the same religion until around 400.
  14. Since you say first, etc, I'll address them as points: 1) Why would God break his own law? For us, it a law. We've interpreted it as a law. We understand God through anthropomorphisms. He's not a human that he should follow them. In the way we understand "the Son of God" is also an anthropomorphism, as is the mystery of the Trinity. 2) There's an answer for this done by Christian mystics. When Jesus was to be born, an angel took the semen of Joseph, presented it before God, and this is where God blessed it and said "you will be Jesus, the Messiah and Son." He had an angel announce it to he
  15. Yes, it's an attack to the person instead of the argument, which is what you did. No, I said that Jesus said it on the cross and listed the correct interpretation of it. I claimed Jesus said this, and was referring to Psalm 22. He did not say it independently, I said this constantly while I was talking with CM. x (Protestant) x (Catholic) x (Orthodox) I'm saying the same thing they're saying. Don't call me buddy, I have better things to be called then by a person with poor manners "buddy". Because this is what the Church has taught since Christ's time. When Muslims interpret it
  16. You're wrong because I'm showing how ridiculous the argument that Muslims have been given against Christianity. I haven't met a Christian who didn't know what Jesus meant that God has left him. In which case, the Arian and the Nestorian argument could still apply and Jesus would still be God. You didn't even read anything I posted and decided to comment (otherwise you wouldn't have wrote this), because I didn't deny Jesus said anything, nor did I deny anything historic. Either you're lying, or you're ignorant. They've already been "posted", this is the position of the Catholic and Orthodox c
  17. concerning?? To have a first try is to lose virginity. He will be called Immanuel as a title. Jesus is the son of God. God is with us. No, Jewish sources state that the prophecy was supposed to be about Hezekiah, but then the prophecy changed. How is it that rashi said "Should the one who stripped the doors of the Temple and sent them to the king of Assyria, be made Messiah?". So we learn 2 things from this line; Hezekiah was supposed to be the Messiah, born of a woman who was young. It did not mean virgin until the prophecy was interpreted to mean virgin by the Jews, as evidenced in t
  18. Separating the two natures of Christ is blasphemy. Hezekiah is out of the question for this verse, even Rashi says so. He can't be the savior of Israel when he himself became a vessel to Assyria. Are you denying Jesus is the King of the Jews? My point with the third temple is that Jews add to prophecy. The Second temple existed 40 years after Jesus and then was destroyed. Jesus predicts the third temples destruction, and his death, another example of a double prophecy. Not only that, but it took 50 days (pentekosti -50) for the holy spirit to come down, it was not 3. I'm not sur
  19. The only thing I hoped to point out is why when Muslims give this argument they sound ignorant.
  20. And he will be called (by the people: ܘܢܩܪܘܢ from [ܢܩܪ] yeqar (read) and the ending [ܘܢ]-en (they)) by the name "God is with us" in Matthew 1:23. Peter and the apostles (in different places) Mary etc.. even gentiles calls him the son of God (Mat. 27.54). Since God has a son, that son is also God, but that's not because a human became man...but God became flesh. They only read Hebrew, they didn't speak it amongst themselves. For proof of this, the Talmud has conversations by the Rabbi's in Aramaic, not Hebrew.. Jesus would speak a language the Jews only knew to read and write? Even when th
  21. In Isaiah 9:6, the savior in 7:14 is said to have the following qualities (again, Qaraa shimo, not qara at shimo) so we have El Gibor being translated as Mighty God. Judaism already gives God the time of "El Shaddai". El Gibor is a new construct, if it is even a name of God. However, to my knowledge, I've never heard a Jewish prayer use this as a title of God. El Shaddai is the most common name of God after YHWH, evidenced by the fact that mezuzot have the letter "Sh" for Shaddai on them. Gibor actually means 2 things, valiant and man. The root of the word valiant is the same for man, that
  22. Like I said, Parthenou means virgin. 70 Jewish scholars translated it as virgin instead of young woman. The prophecy was that it would be a virgin, that's why it was translated as virgin from almah. Jews tend to refine meanings of obscure words in their translations using prophecy. Unless those mothers were virgins... What's funny is we hold it as a dual prophecy...Until today the Jews don't know which young lady it was. Some assume it's King Ahaz's wife. But of course rabbi's disagree and say it was a relative. They don't know who it was? The birth that signals the victory of Israel and t
  23. Immanuel means "God is with us", from the letters A'-m (in Arabic , meaning with مع)، enu- (suffix 1st person plural; like Arabic نا), and El, meaning God(like Arabic يل in إسماعيل ) يعني الله هو السميع Jesus is the fulfillment of that title. We say he is "with us" whenever we say Jesus, the Son of God. You';re reading his prophecy that he will be named, not that he will be called. It's qarat shimo (called the name) not qarat AT-shimo (have the name).
  24. He says it because that's the prophecy he fulfills in the Psalm. He's calling attention the fact that huwa 7qaqaha, not that God forsook him. He's saying it and meaning "look at this Psalm (I am your messiah)," not "Why have you abandoned me?." You're assuming Jesus speaks in basic meaning. In reality, he doesn't. He speaks in parables, (مثلا). Jesus even calls his apostles out because they didn't understand him at one point when he told one of his stories. I think this is maybe why you have trouble understanding, because I've said this now (maybe?) 7 times, and you've actively chose to ignore
  25. Not necessarily: Almah just means young woman, she could be married, unmarried, widowed, etc and still be an "almah". The prophecy states he will be called Immanuel, not that his name will directly be Immanuel. In Jesus' case, the name Imamnuel does not directly refer to his name actual, but something he will be called. (I know you don't read Hebrew, but for anyone that comes across this in the future, I can just direct them here). Compare Isaiah 7:10 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel. and then G
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