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ChristianVisitor

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  1. It was not a sin for Hosea to marry Gomer. They didn't have sex before the wedding. He was commanded to marry Gomer not have premarital sex.
  2. Conservative Bible-believing Christians agree with mainstream Muslims on many things regarding modesty and purity: we abhor fornication, adultery, incest, etc. We believe that sexual unions should only take place between a husband and wife. We also believe that Christian women should dress modestly with decent clothes and not showing too much skin. We abhor the secular view of how everything should be flaunted and anything pretty much goes at the whim of oneself. There many things that conservative Christians and conservative Muslims believe about modesty and ethics (regardless of denomination). We both abhor how secular culture has hyper-sexualized everything and created a society of moral chaos and anarchy.
  3. From a Christian theological point of view, it means that humans have certain attributes of God (non-divine, of course): like having a will and consciousness. It never means anything physical (since God is pure spirit). Only Mormons take the image (image Dei) to be a physical thing (but then again, they are not Christian from an orthodox stance).
  4. Disagree. If you mean by "genocide" the systematic killing of Christians by a government. However, persecution is on the rise against Christians but not by Muslims but secular people. There is no systematic persecution of Christians in Muslim-dominated countries. Iran, Oman, Lebanon, etc. do not have Christians living in oppression. In fact, Christians have rights and protections in those countries. Even in Wahhabi dominated Arab countries (like KSA or Qatar) Christians are not persecuted. Only in those places where extremist Salafism is practiced are Christians persecuted and even killed off...but then again in those places even non-Salafi Muslims and other religious people are killed off for not submitting to Salafi doctrine.
  5. Yes, some "Christians" believe that but that is not the view of mainstream Christians. Catholics believe one must do various deeds and penance to go to heaven. Many Protestants, especially those who are Methodist or Pentecostal, believe that sinning can cut you off from the grace of God and send you to hell (unless you sincerely repent of that sin and do the right things again). Calvinists, who believe in predestination, say that a truly redeemed person will not go on sinning with impunity. There are some fringe groups, especially among the fundamentalists, that say that one can just say a prayer to Jesus and he will give them a free ticket to heaven while they can go on sinning without any eternal consequences. But then again, those are minority in Christianity.
  6. I like the Book of Hebrews. It talks about the importance of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of our sins. I also really like the Psalms and Proverbs. They give excellent comfort and advice for those struggling with walking the Christian path.
  7. Just to clarify, the term "evangelical" is a broad term and is not restricted to a particular sect or denomination within Christianity. It is anyone who believes in the doctrines of the Protestant Reformation and believe that the gospel of Jesus Christ must be preached to all nations for the forgiveness of sins and salvation of souls. One can be an Anglican, Presbyterian, Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, Pentecostal, a non-denominational, etc. and be evangelical. Even some Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Christians label themselves as "evangelical" even though the term is normally restricted to Protestant Christians. What is described by some of our Muslim friends above are not evangelical Christians but fundamentalist Christians. Those two are very different things even though they can overlap at times. Fundies tend to be focused a lot on eschatology (especially espousing the rapture of the church and imminent coming of Jesus Christ to Earth), legalism in ethics, being pro-Israel in the Middle East conflicts, being ultra-conservative in politics, etc. I think we need to clarify some terms before some people start making unwarranted judgments about this issue.
  8. Does anyone know of the doctrinal backgrounds about these "Islamist" terrorists? I would be curious what sect these murderers are associated with. I highly doubt they are Shia, Ibadi, Sufi, or any one of the mainstream Sunni sects.
  9. Okay, I didn't want this thread to turn into a theological debate about the deity of Christ. I just wanted to know how a Trinitarian Christian like me (who willingly and knowingly accepts the doctrine of the Trinity) will be treated under a Shia rulership. Will I still be treated with full respect and dignity as a human being as long as I don't do anything criminal or disturb the peace?
  10. I'm asking because Oman seems to have less animosity towards Iran compared to the other Arabian Gulf states.
  11. I actually understand the concept of the tax imposed upon Jews and Christians. Muslims pay their own taxes and Jews and Christians pay their own. Taxation is a rule of life no matter what country you live in, and no country can function without revenue from its citizens. My primary intent of the question is how will Trinitarian Christians be treated under a true Islamic state. Is there a difference between a Shia ruled state and a Wahhabi/Salafi ruled state. Many in the West when they hear "Islamic Caliphate" they immediately think of Wahhabi/Salafi ruled states and brings much fear in their minds. I know that the Ibadis of Oman are very tolerant of non-Muslims and treat non-Muslims with full respect and dignity. They don't persecute or marginalize Christians there (even if they have beliefs contrary to Islam). In fact, neutral observers say that Oman is one of the most non-persecuting countries in the Middle East. If that is the case, shouldn't I want to live under an Ibadi rulership than an orthodox Shia rulership?
  12. How would I be treated then under an Islamic caliphate or rulership? Even if I mind my own business, live peaceably, don't do criminal acts, etc. would I still be treated like a pagan if I refuse to convert to a non-Trinitarian belief in God? What if I remain steadfast in my beliefs, how will I be treated even if I live a respectable and peaceful life?
  13. The Quran states that Jews and Christians are a "People of the Book." Yet, traditional Christian theology ascribes divinity to Jesus Christ. I believe in the traditional Christian view of Jesus Christ as the Son of God, with full deity as a human being. I'm sure Muhammad knew very well what Christians believed during his time about God and Jesus and yet he calls them "People of the Book." Unitarians and Arians were a very small minority during his time and most Christians believed in the doctrine of the Trinity. Thus, does that make me a Mushrikeen by Shia Muslims? Just an honest question.
  14. Those are fundamentalists. Some evangelicals can be fundamentalist too, but not most. I think too many Muslims confuse evangelical fundamentalists with Reformation Protestants. They have many beliefs in common but they are not the same. I've never tried to convert or demean a Muslim in my life. Most interactions I've had with Muslims were amicable and respectful.
  15. Huh? With all due respect brother Jesus did preach the gospel of his Kingdom to the Jews and Gentiles (John 3:1-15; 4:1-42). He did not merely feed and heal people but also preached the gospel message.
  16. You cannot prove God's existence with these rationalistic arguments. Many Protestant scholars reject rationalistic proofs for the existence of God. I think in Islam there are also many scholars who reject rationalistic arguments for monotheism.
  17. Christians in general do not attempt to force religion upon those of non-Christian convictions. Aside from fundamentalists in some English-speaking countries, Christians overall have left Muslims to practice their own faith without interference and harrassment. The only time Christians will share about their faith is when a Muslim asks them initially. Thus, do Shias also have the same mentality towards Christians? If a Christian peacefully and respectfully declines to become a Muslim do Shias allow that Christian to remain and practice their Christian faith without interference and harassment? This is an honest question. (I heard that the Ibadis in Oman are the most tolerant Muslims out of all the sects. More so than Twelvers in Iran.)
  18. There is a difference between evangelical fundamentalist ideology so pervasive in the USA and true historic Protestant Christianity that has roots in the Reformation. You will find that the true Protestant theologians of the earlier times in Europe used exegetical, dogmatic, and philosophical methods similar to famous Shia scholars of the past. The modern-day phenomenon of American "evangelicalism" is merely an ideology that has significantly swerved away from genuine Protestant roots.
  19. Not to put a damper on the festive season but Jesus' actual birthday was somewhere in September. Don't ask me how December 25 got consigned as his birthday.
  20. A lot of non-JW mainstream evangelical Christians don't celebrate Christmas either. I'm not one of them but I do know quite a few. Have you guys heard of Saturnalia? A lot of evangelicals believe that Christmas is actually a pagan holiday disguised as a Christian holiday.
  21. Fair enough. But there a lot of non-Muslims in the West who see Muslims from other denominations not taking bold enough steps to stop these radical Salafis. Most of the non-Muslim populace in the West are skeptical because of almost a too passive (and even permissive) approach by other Muslim sects to do something about this nuisance. I know Shias and other sects are fighting these terrorists in the Middle East valiantly but it doesn't seem to sway non-Muslims in the West just how committed Shias and other denominations are in getting rid of these guys.
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