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  1. Allah swt critisized the prophet Muhammad pbuh[he did not sins,i dont believe prophet Muhammad pbuh can do sins]in surah Abasa and concering what to do with prisoners.

    If you were talking about the frowing ayah.. Zulfiqar posted a reply for that

    This does not make prophet Muhammad pbuh imperfect.He is perfect in conceiving the Deen,teaching Al Hikmah but like i said before he pbuh can make mistakes because he pbuh was a man.

    What ill is to do/say is: 'look see,the prophet made mistakes so he is not better than us'

    Or say: 'see,some females amongst ummul Mu'mineen made mistakes so we are better than her'.

    We can never be better than the Tabi'en,not even to talk about Ummul Mu'mineen!

    SM4L.. I can also phrase that bolded part as.. Whats ill about making a list of faults of ones parents and posting it online?.. and what ill is there for me to use it and say publicly that these parents are not the 'ideal parents'?.. Whats wrong with someone denying things to their parents when they are lying on their deathbed.. and saying that they have 'lost it'?.. can you really say that the person who does this to his parents have committed a 'mistake'?.. I hope I am not disrespecting you.. cuz like the way you conduct your dialogues :D.. wassalaamun alaikum

  2. ^I know eh.. tell me about it :S


    Now since you are against speaking ill of your parents are you also against speaking ill of those whom the Quran calls Mothers of the Believers? If not then you are being hypocritical and to continue further would be a waste of time. If you are against it then we can continue and have a beneficial dialect inshallah.


    Oh.. its not me.. its Allah(swt) who critisizes some of these 'mothers of believers'.. so its possible to critisize THOSE 'mothers of believer' if they do wrong.. but Allah(swt) never critisized the Prophet(saww).. so why did people point out the 'faults' in him?.. wassalaamun alaikum

  3. (salam)

    So.. I was thinking (which I don't do often).. that would I EVER publicise imperfections in the character of my parents.. and I came to the conclusion that no matter what I think of what my parents do... I can never publicise my parent's mistakes.. I just can't.. that would just show my parents in a bad light.. now.. would any of you like to make a list of things that you think is wrong with your parent's personality and POST IT on this board?.. or any other public board?.. think about this for a second.. (thats it.. stop thinking :D).. if yes.. I mean you can make a list like this and post it online.. then I can't relate to your experience.. but if you can't make a list like that.. you are kinda like me.. now.. if you are in the second catagory.. explain to me the character of people who publicly narrated the 'imperfections' of the Prophet(saww) since all of us can agree that the Prophet(saww) deserves greater respect and love from us than our parents.. wassalaamun alaikum

  4. .....

    If a mother kills her children, do you think any surviving children will continue to love her and respect her? If you are human you will agree that those children will want nothing to do with that mother, they will do tabarra from her, and will never again know her as a mother. They will also not forget it.

    The very fact that she was supposed to be our mother is the reason why we do so much tabarra from her.

    This is the real meaning in the real world of what the mother is.


    BANG ON.. nicely put Abbas.. honestly.. it must boil the blood of those muslim families who lost loved ones in the battle of Jamal

    If something is of paramount importance and very serious, Allah (swt) never leaves it unexplained or open to disagreement and endless debates. He (swt) would make it explicit and clear crystal!

    True.. like instead of saying 'mother of believers' to indicate respect.. there should be something like...


    YUSUFALI: O ye of Faith! Say not (to the Messenger) words of ambiguous import, but words of respect; and hearken (to him): To those without Faith is a grievous punishment.

    .. something like that... but for the wives.. but.. THERE ISN'T ANYTHING LIKE THIS FOR THE WIVES :S... wassalaamun alaikum

  5. What is better than the best and purest human have and will ever be created and the last prophet sent be Allah SWT to humans. Just be open and explain your main purpose of this debate. There is no question about how all muslims respect and love the prophet Mohammed PBUH and will do anything for anybody who may disrespect him in any way and I think Muslims all over the world have prooved their love and respect for the Prophet Mohammed PBUH.

    Allah SWT says:

    [Yusufali 2:18] Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path).

    My point.. my little brother.. is that if respect was what this title of 'mother of believers' indicated.. then the Prophet(saww) would have gotten a similar title.. but he didn't.. even though he deserves the greatest respect :D.. therefore.. the title.. 'mother of believers'.. doesn't mean compulsory respect.. it means something else :D.. wassalaamun alaikum

  6. He is our Master (saw). We were created because of him (saw)!

    Our mothers, our fathers, our children, and our souls would all be sacrificed not only for Him (saw) but for his (saw) slave and his slaves slave and so on...

    There is no disrespect at all.

    Wassalaam wr wb

    Ofcourse Aashiq.. I agree with that.. but if you give the title of a 'mother' to someone.. not metaphorically... but rather without choice.. then respect is compulsory.. and by not calling the Prophet(saww) 'Father of the believers'.. he is not getting similar respect.. moreover.. there is a chance that he could be disrespected by a muslim and this muslim can escape punishment... wassalaamun alaikum

  7. I am sorry but are 100% wrong, there were no groups of muslims during the prophet PBUH time. there was only one MUSLIM GROUP and after the Hijrah, the first thing the Prophet PBUH did was to establish the brotherhood between the Ansaar and Al-Muhajireen and united them under the name of Allah SWT and Islam and they become brothers and sisters in Islam which is stronger than blood brotherhood and he successfully did that. I challenge anybody who can prove that they different groups of muslims during the Prophet PBUH time.


    Volume 8, Book 82, Number 817:

    Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

    ...And no doubt after the death of the Prophet we were informed that the Ansar disagreed with US and gathered in the shed of Bani Sa'da. 'Ali and Zubair and whoever was with them, opposed us, while the emigrants gathered with Abu Bakr. I said to Abu Bakr, 'Let's go to these Ansari brothers of ours.' So we set out seeking them, and when we approached them, two pious men of theirs met us and informed us of the final decision of the Ansar, and said, 'O group of Muhajirin (emigrants) ! Where are you going?' We replied, 'We are going to these Ansari brothers of ours.' They said to us, 'You shouldn't go near them. Carry out whatever we have already decided.' I said, 'By Allah, we will go to them.' And so we proceeded until we reached them at the shed of Bani Sa'da. Behold! There was a man sitting amongst them and wrapped in something. I asked, 'Who is that man?' They said, 'He is Sa'd bin 'Ubada.' I asked, 'What is wrong with him?' They said, 'He is sick.' After we sat for a while, the Ansar's speaker said, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' and praising Allah as He deserved, he added, 'To proceed, we are Allah's Ansar (helpers) and the majority of the Muslim army, while you, the emigrants, are a small group and some people among you came with the intention of preventing us from practicing this matter (of caliphate) and depriving us of it.'

    After a pause [Abu Bakr] said, 'O Ansar! You deserve all (the qualities that you have attributed to yourselves, but this question (of Caliphate) is only for the Quraish as they are the best of the Arabs as regards descent and home, ...

    As for the Ahlul Bait(as).. you may recall a certain event where Ansars and Muhajirs were fighting over which group Salmaan Farsi(ra) belongs to.. the Prophet(saww) said 'Salmaan belongs to neither.. he belongs to the Ahlul Bait'.

    Seems to me that the distinction was quite clear :D.. wassalaamun alaikum

  8. As one of the members posted you should have stayed there and finish your prayer that would have been a lot better for you.

    About how Shia Khutba was talking about unity. I disagree with you, the truth is when you are calling musilms with different names and only praying in Shia Mosques, this is not unity. This is the total opposite of unity? we should stop calling ourselves and other muslims names such as Shia, Sunni, Suffi, Wahabi, etc. and call ourselves muslims and that is the real unity. That how our prophet PBUH tought to act and practice Islam.

    During the time of the Prophet(saww) there were three groups of muslims... the Muhajirs.. the Ansaars and the Ahlul Bait(as).. even though they had different titles.. they were all muslims.. and the Prophet(saww) tried his best to keep them all united... wassalaamun alaikum

  9. Statue of Mother in Islam is very important.Our mothers deserve our respect so in this way the wivs or Rasullah P.B.U.H are our sympolic mothers which means we cannot marry them and they deserve our respect.

    A man asked the Prophet (pbuh), "Who is most worthy of my love and respect?" The Prophet (PBUH)replied, "Your mother." The man asked, "And then who?" The Prophet (pbuh) again answered, "Your mother." The man asked one more time and received the same answer. When the man asked the question a fourth time, the Prophet (pbuh) answered, "Your father."

    Wives of Rasullah s.a.w are mothers of believers so the believers should respect them and not marry them.

    So why isn't the Prophet(saww) called the "Father of the believers"?.. Does he not deserve respect as well?.. wassalaamun alaikum

  10. (salam)

    I was thinking.. if Prophet(saww)'s wives are mother of believers.. why isn't the Prophet(saww) himself the 'Father of believers'?.. I heard once by a sunni bro that the title 'mother of believers' was given to indicate that the personality bearing this title deserves obligatory respect.. so why was the Prophet(saww) devoid of such respect?.. wassalaamun alaikum

  11. Bro Ibn Muljim (LA) had no connection to the Prophet (Saww). I fear this part that i might err so i dont curse her.

    Right.. but I was pointing out the flaw in the logic that since Hadrat Ali(as) didn't curse someone, we shouldn't do it as well :).. there are other factors involved when commenting on this issue.. (try praying for the ppl of taif like the Prophet[saww] did).. as for Aisha.. she could have done better :S

    Affiliation has nothing to do with me liking or disliking a character.. I like Abdullah bin AbuBakr and the son of Yazid because they were good people and I don't like Aisha because she inflicted misery upon the Prophet(saww) and the Ahlul Bait(as).. wassalaamun alaikum :)

  12. (salam)




    Imam Ali(as) didn't curse ibn muljim(la) either.. wassalaamun alaikum

  13. This hadeeth mentioning Ahlul Bayt and Quran as inseparable is very significant and has been narrated by 35 Sahaba and is given in the Sahihs of Ahlu Sunnah and the many books of their scholars.

    This is absolutely false, the hadith is NOT mutawatir nor narrated by anywhere near even 10 Sahaba.

    I would like to ask: Why do the preachers of Ahlu Sunnah promote the weak hadeeth (mentioning Quran and Sunnah as the two weighty things) which is narrated by only one source (in Muwata' of Malik, who hated Ali ibn abi Talib and favoured his enemies - hence he did not list in his Muwata' one hadeeth through Ali) and YET they ignore the mutawatir (extremely prevalent) true hadeeth.

    Four crass lies in one breath? One, the hadith in question is not weak (see below). Two, there are anywhere between 10 and 15 narrations from `Ali in the Muwatta'. Three, the other hadith is not mutawatir as I already said. Four, Imam Malik was so respectful of Ahl al-Bayt that he forgave the governor of Madina who had him leashed and had his shoulder dislocated only because that governor was from Ahl al-Bayt.

    The hadith of the Thaqalayn being the Qur'an and the Sunna is narrated from (1) Ibn `Abbas by al-Bayhaqi in al-Sunan al-Kubra (10:114 #20108) and - as part of a longer hadith - by al-Hakim (1:93=1990 ed. 1:171) who declared it sahih and - without chain - by Malik in his Muwatta' and Ibn `Abd al-Barr in al-Tamhid (24:331) and from (2) Abu Hurayra by al-Hakim (1:93=1990 ed. 1:172), al-Bayhaqi in al-Sunan al-Kubra (10:114 #20109), al-Daraqutni in his Sunan (4:245 #149), al-Lalika'i in Sharh Usul I`tiqad Ahl al-Sunna (1:80), al-Khatib, al-Jami` li Akhlaq al-Rawi (1983 ed. 1:111=1991 ed. 2:165-166 #89), Ibn `Abd al-Barr in al-Tamhid (24:331), and Ibn Hazm who declared it sahih in al-Ihkam (6:243) while al-Suyuti declared it hasan in al-Jami` al-Saghir (#3923).

    May Allah have mercy on the Ahl al-Bayt and clear them from any association with corpse-eaters and other defamators on the Day of Judgment.

    Hajj Gibril

    Really deathpasser?.. corpse eaters eh.. heheh.. how in the world can you believe him? :)

    Plus sahih muslim has more authority than Imam Malik's book.. thats the concensus


    They were consulted except in the first instance (and later they were given the chance to voice their opinions as Abu Bakr was ready to set aside his title for a better candidate) because:

    (1) Hazrat Ali (ra) had to be left behind per the hadith of Sunan Abi Dawud where the family of the deceased must remain for burial rites.

    (2) Abu Bakr wasn't aware of what was about to unfold, he was convinced to come by Umar who wanted to stop the Ansar from electing 'Saad Bin Ubaadah' as the man was being elected by a very small group of people and Umar/Ibn Jarrah and others feared that the new ruler of the Ansar would be rebeled against (as so few people were at the saqifah) causing a civil war.

    Okay.. the Ahlul Bayt(as) were held up.. why didn't these ppl consult the Quran to decide upon a caliph?.. wassalaamun alaikum

  14. Salaamun Alaikum

    I came upon this hadith a while ago but I didn't realize its true potential until i'd been through a couple of lectures.. the hadith is like so..

    Sahih Muslim (031.5920)

    "....One day Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) stood up to deliver sermon at a watering place known as Khumm situated between Mecca and Medina. He praised Allah, extolled Him and delivered the sermon and. exhorted (us) and said: Now to our purpose. O people, I am a human being. I am about to receive a messenger (the angel of death) from my Lord and I, in response to Allah's call, (would bid good-bye to you), but I am leaving among you two weighty things: the one being the Book of Allah in which there is right guidance and light, so hold fast to the Book of Allah and adhere to it. He exhorted (us) (to hold fast) to the Book of Allah and then said: The second are the members of my household I remind you (of your duties) to the members of my family...."


    Where do the ashaab fit in these two categories of guidance?

    What were the 'duties' that the Prophet(saww) was refering to at the end?

    Lastly.. why is it that neither the Quran nor the household of the Prophet(saww) was consulted when the issue of caliphate was raised?

    Sincere and to-the-point answers please :)

    Assalaam Alaikum

  15. thank you for you replies, I do find them very helpfull. I tried to simple discussions such as Imam Mahdi but her question was were in Koran did Allah name the 12 imams? I tried explaing about them ...but we just hit a brick wall,,,,tell me if I am wrong how can I as a muslim shia,,convince a Muslim sunni of anything iof Ahel el biet if they our brothers and sisters DO not belive in their Issma ( can never commit any wrong),,and how do I convince them of 12 imams issmaa,,if we disagreed on the major one,,,,,,,,,,the Profet's issma...so here I add a quesion to all sunni's PLEASE DEFINE ISSMAA TO ME ? and how does it apply to the profet and we take it from there.

    Ask them if Prophet(saww) didn't appoint a leader.. and if Allah(swt) didn't command the muslims to appoint a leader.. then why did the people appoint a leader?

  16. (salam)

    Eid Mubarak to all the mu'mineen :)

    Its been a while since I posted; but nevertheless, the one question that comes to mind.

    O Messenger! deliver what bas been revealed to you from your Lord; and if you do it not, then you have not delivered His message, and Allah will protect you from the people; surely Allah will not guide the unbelieving people.-Surah Mai'dah, aya 67

    Two things are quite crucial here:

    1) What is this important message, without which twenty three years of hardship is nothing?

    2) Note that Allah uses the term, "people" ( ÇáäøóÇÓö) - yet these were Muslims, Sahaba and Hajjis - why didn't Allah choose to use these more honourable titles?

    Thanks :)

    Yup.. Eid Mubarak to you too Ali

    Don't the sunnies believe that this verse was revealed at the very begining of Islam.. I think I should look up some sunni commentry.. or NOT... hopefully someone else can shed more light :).. wassalaamun alaikum

  17. A Sunni wrote once a articel about rejecting Imamat of Sahaba, here some quotes:
    It is said by Shaykh Barjandi in Sharah Niqaayah: "He who refuses to accept the Imamah of Hadrat Abu Bakr as-Siddiq RaDiyallahu 'Anhu is a Kafir. Some opine that he is a Mubtadiy (a heretic) and not a Kafir but the truth of the matter is (As-SaH) that he is a Kafir. And so also is the case of he who refuses to accept the Khilafah of Hadrat Umar RaDiyallahu 'Anhu. And this is the most correct ruling."

    It is stated in Bahr ar-Raayiq (page.131) : "It is the most correct ruling (in this matter; As-SaH) that it is KUFR to refuse to accept/deny the Imamah of Hadrat Abu Bakr RaDiyallahu 'Anhu and so also is the case in the refusal (of the Khilafah) of Hadrat Umar RaDiyallahu 'Anhu"

    It is stated in Majma' al-Anhur: "The RafiDi if he just holds Hadrat Ali RaDiyallahu 'Anhu superior to Hadrat Abu Bakr (FaDDala) RaDiyallahu 'Anhu, he is a heretic; and if he denies / refuses the Khilafah of Hadrat Siddiq RaDiyallahu 'Anhu, he is a Kafir"

    Its true bro Ali.. but not all that a sunni aalim say is followed by sunnis.. so its better not to generalize.. there are vast differences of opinions in different schools of thought :)

    I would very much like to see what led this aalim to believe that denying the first three is an act of kufr.. wassalaamun alaikum

  18. When I am silently working, for instance studying or doing something on computer, and someone sits somewhere around me not doing anything but staring at me, it makes me extremely angry. I lose all concentration and end up imagining holding an AK47 with villainous expression on my face :lol: I might beat up one of them weirdos someday, oh well..

    THAT.. we knew about you :P.. dangerous :D

    Best thing to do is to look at them and snicker and they would think that they have something on their face ;)

  19. What is something about you that everyone who knows you, even just casually, in real life already knows, but most of your online acquaintances would not know?

    I make cartoon noises to myself out loud. They sound the way the emoticons look like they would sound, I think. I've always done that, from when I was a little kid. Once, when I was 6-years-old, I beat up a little boy for making fun of my noises.

    OHH.. that was YOU???... I knew I would find you somewhere.. AND IT STILL HURTS :(.. heheh

    I was famous for buttoning my collar.. I don't do it anymore but ppl still remind me of it :wacko:

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