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    _twelver reacted to Abu Tufayl in 12Ers Believe Majority Ahle Bayt Were Misguided?   
    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
     
    The Ahl al-Bayt Khass are 14 عليهم أفضل الصلاة والسلام and we believe they were the epitome of guidance, thus the guides. If you mean by "Ahl al-Bayt" people related the Prophet [sawa] via blood, then why would that bother us? Islam is not tribalism and blood relations save no one. We hold that the majority of the Companions and the Umma at large deviated and are deviated. We believe Imam al-Sadiq عليه السلام's own son al-Aftah is an impostor and deserving of Hellfire. Why would it bother us to say most of Bani Hashim deviated?
     
    "Surely, the religion of Allah is not known (or judged) by the people, it is recognized by the sign of Truth. Know the Truth, and you shall know its people."
     
    في أمان الله
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    _twelver got a reaction from Abu Nur in Incomplete Imamah !   
    Seriously scratching my head over why this guy hasn't been banned yet
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    _twelver got a reaction from Al-Hassan in Incomplete Imamah !   
    Seriously scratching my head over why this guy hasn't been banned yet
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    _twelver got a reaction from Muslim2010 in Incomplete Imamah !   
    Seriously scratching my head over why this guy hasn't been banned yet
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    _twelver reacted to Abu'l Khattab in Wahdat-Al-Wujud   
    You're going to give Wahdat al-Wujood a chance but not "Ghuluww"? 
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    _twelver reacted to Cake in The Controversial Hadith Of Dawood Bin Sarhan   
    Can someone summarise what his main points are concerning this hadith, particularly what he considers to be the correct, or most correct, interpretation(s), and the incorrect ones?
    Credit to Nader for translating the hadith and providing numerous authentications of the hadith (link). The Habib guys seized upon this and popularised it, until it seems to have caused Qazwini to feel the need to reply to the use of it. I wonder if Qazwini made use of Nader's list of who authenticated it.
    Thanks, ws.
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    _twelver reacted to Qa'im in Muhammad B. Sinan   
    Here is the narration:
     
    وأما محمد بن سنان: فإنه روي عن علي بن الحسين بن داود قال: سمعت أبا جعفر الثاني عليه السلام يذكر محمد بن سنان بخير ويقول: رضي الله عنه برضائي عنه فما خالفني وما خالف أبي قط (7).
     
    Shaykh at-Tusi says: And as for Muhammad b. Sinan, `Ali b. al-Husayn b. Dawud narrated: I heard Abu Ja`far the Second (as) mention Muhammad b. Sinan, and he said: Allah is pleased with him because I am pleased with him. He did not oppose me, nor did he oppose my father, ever.
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    _twelver got a reaction from yam_110 in Incomplete Imamah !   
    Ive never understood why sunnis keep asking this question as though it is of any significance or that it somehow refutes the notion of imamah. Anyway the best answer I've seen in regards to this is found in i'lal al-Shara'i volume 1 chapter 155 hadith number 10
    ١٠ - حدثنا علي بن أحمد بن عبد الله البرقي عن أبيه عن جده عن أحمد ابن أبي عبد الله عن محمد بن عيسى عن محمد بن أبي يعقوب البلخي قال: سألت أبا الحسن الرضا " ع " قلت له لأي علة صارت الإمامة في ولد الحسين دون ولد الحسن عليهما السلام؟ قال: لان الله عز وجل جعلها في ولد الحسين ولم يجعلها في ولد الحسن والله لا يسأل عما يفعل
    Rough translation: From abi Yaqub al-Balkhi, "I asked abal Hassan Al-Reda (as): I said to him, for what reason did the imamah become in the children of Hussain (as) without the children of Hassan (as)?" He (as) said, "because Allah (awj) made it in the children of Hussain (as) and he did not make it in the children of Hassan (as), and Allah (swt) does not get asked about what he does."
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    _twelver got a reaction from Khayat in Incomplete Imamah !   
    Ive never understood why sunnis keep asking this question as though it is of any significance or that it somehow refutes the notion of imamah. Anyway the best answer I've seen in regards to this is found in i'lal al-Shara'i volume 1 chapter 155 hadith number 10
    ١٠ - حدثنا علي بن أحمد بن عبد الله البرقي عن أبيه عن جده عن أحمد ابن أبي عبد الله عن محمد بن عيسى عن محمد بن أبي يعقوب البلخي قال: سألت أبا الحسن الرضا " ع " قلت له لأي علة صارت الإمامة في ولد الحسين دون ولد الحسن عليهما السلام؟ قال: لان الله عز وجل جعلها في ولد الحسين ولم يجعلها في ولد الحسن والله لا يسأل عما يفعل
    Rough translation: From abi Yaqub al-Balkhi, "I asked abal Hassan Al-Reda (as): I said to him, for what reason did the imamah become in the children of Hussain (as) without the children of Hassan (as)?" He (as) said, "because Allah (awj) made it in the children of Hussain (as) and he did not make it in the children of Hassan (as), and Allah (swt) does not get asked about what he does."
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    _twelver reacted to power in Incomplete Imamah !   
    You are very confused individual. Anyway, this particular Ayat  was revealed for the wives, and not  for Ahlul Bayt (as) please check your sources before making such absurd comments.
     
    And by the way, Rasulillah had foretold the martyrdom  of Imam Hussein (as) at the plains of Karbala, therefore did Prophet Muhammad (pbuh&hf) contradict the Quran? Moreover, Sunni scholars from the past and present have not stated what you have mentioned?
     
    And if you get the chance to study the holy Quran, Allah swt has favored  many of his servants over others.
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    _twelver got a reaction from Muslim2010 in Incomplete Imamah !   
    Ive never understood why sunnis keep asking this question as though it is of any significance or that it somehow refutes the notion of imamah. Anyway the best answer I've seen in regards to this is found in i'lal al-Shara'i volume 1 chapter 155 hadith number 10
    ١٠ - حدثنا علي بن أحمد بن عبد الله البرقي عن أبيه عن جده عن أحمد ابن أبي عبد الله عن محمد بن عيسى عن محمد بن أبي يعقوب البلخي قال: سألت أبا الحسن الرضا " ع " قلت له لأي علة صارت الإمامة في ولد الحسين دون ولد الحسن عليهما السلام؟ قال: لان الله عز وجل جعلها في ولد الحسين ولم يجعلها في ولد الحسن والله لا يسأل عما يفعل
    Rough translation: From abi Yaqub al-Balkhi, "I asked abal Hassan Al-Reda (as): I said to him, for what reason did the imamah become in the children of Hussain (as) without the children of Hassan (as)?" He (as) said, "because Allah (awj) made it in the children of Hussain (as) and he did not make it in the children of Hassan (as), and Allah (swt) does not get asked about what he does."
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    _twelver got a reaction from Chaotic Muslem in Incomplete Imamah !   
    Ive never understood why sunnis keep asking this question as though it is of any significance or that it somehow refutes the notion of imamah. Anyway the best answer I've seen in regards to this is found in i'lal al-Shara'i volume 1 chapter 155 hadith number 10
    ١٠ - حدثنا علي بن أحمد بن عبد الله البرقي عن أبيه عن جده عن أحمد ابن أبي عبد الله عن محمد بن عيسى عن محمد بن أبي يعقوب البلخي قال: سألت أبا الحسن الرضا " ع " قلت له لأي علة صارت الإمامة في ولد الحسين دون ولد الحسن عليهما السلام؟ قال: لان الله عز وجل جعلها في ولد الحسين ولم يجعلها في ولد الحسن والله لا يسأل عما يفعل
    Rough translation: From abi Yaqub al-Balkhi, "I asked abal Hassan Al-Reda (as): I said to him, for what reason did the imamah become in the children of Hussain (as) without the children of Hassan (as)?" He (as) said, "because Allah (awj) made it in the children of Hussain (as) and he did not make it in the children of Hassan (as), and Allah (swt) does not get asked about what he does."
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    _twelver reacted to Qa'im in "the Worst Of The Jinn Are The Rafida"   
    “قال الإمام الشعبي – رحمه الله – كان لي صديق من الجن ويزورني فلا أراه، ويغيب في الجدار ويأتي من الجدار، وكان يأكل فاراه يرفع الطعام ولا أرى صورته، وكان يعجبه “الرز” فكنت أصنعه له”.
    وأضاف العريفي أن الإمام الشعبي سأل الجن :”هل عندكم مذاهب وفرق؟ وما أخبثها؟”، فأجابه نعم يوجد فرق وأخبثهم يطلق عليهم الرافضة، فرد عليه الإمام الشعبي قائلاً : فكذلك والله هم أخبثهم عندنا.
     
    Translation: Imam al-Sha`bi (tabi`i, faqih, and muhaddith) said: "I had a friend from the jinn who would visit me and I would not see him. He would disappear into the wall, and appear from the wall. He used to eat, and I would see him lift up the food, but I would not see his form. And he used to like rice, so I used to make it for him."
     
    Imam al-Sha`bi asked the jinn, "Do you [jinn] have schools and sects? And what is the filthiest of them?" So the jinn answered, "Yes, there are sects, and the filthiest is called the Rafida". So al-Sha`bi replied, "Yes, by Allah, they are the filthiest of us too."
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    _twelver got a reaction from Abu-Jafar Herz in Describe The Poster Above You   
    Like abu ezrael in his dp, a nightmare to his enemies lol
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    _twelver reacted to Shaykh Haydar in The Clear Refutation Of Fadak   
    It's hilarious that those who claim Allah has hands because that is what the verse says will analyze a hadith letter for letter, chain by chain, version by version and go as deep as the bottom of the ocean only to prove that something else was meant or not meant at all when in favor of Imam Ali a.s. or Lady Fatima a.s.

    You do as if they were all academics and Phd's when it came to communication or talk a language of angels that cannot be understood by laymen while they were just plain Arabs telling eachother in clear Arab what they had on their heart and in their mind. 

    And ofcourse the discussion is ever on-going while the choices are already made.
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    _twelver reacted to Chaotic Muslem in The Clear Refutation Of Fadak   
    Don't you think that that was exactly the argument of sayyida Fatimah? That she inherited her father ? Her father's knowledge and her father's rights in anfal.
    And she thought that Abu Bakr despite being on charge has no right to take care of anfal , which means she did not recognize him as rightful caliph.
    This also explains the answer of imam Musa when Haroon asked him to define fadak borders, imam drew the birders of the Islamic territories back then because that's what fadak represents.
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    _twelver reacted to Al-Hassan in Describe The Poster Above You   
    Usually fills their posts with too many question and explanation marks giving the impression that they are yelling at the person whom they're speaking to. Surprisingly, this is the first "relaxed" post I see the from them(lol).
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    _twelver reacted to Chaotic Muslem in Describe The Poster Above You   
    Lol the young man with lots of questions
    Why did you stop making many questions?
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    _twelver reacted to Sumerian in Nine People Sentenced To Death   
    According to the hadiths we have with us, and what our Fuqaha have stated, the punishment for blasphemy against Allah or his Prophet is death. This is the mainstream position of the Shi'a.
     
    As for Ahlul Sunnah wal Jama'ah, you can read their laws regarding this in the following link: http://islamqa.info/en/14305
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    _twelver reacted to Abu-Jafar Herz in The Clear Refutation Of Fadak   
    May Allah bless you and give you good understanding,yes he does indeed mentions Imam Ali a.s. first, but he isn't saying he just wants the nass of Imam Ali and then from there move on using tawatur and aql (a.s) for every imam stemming off Imam ali, he wants to discuss the nusus for every single one of them all together(including ali) without first accepting ghadeer and thinks the nusus for the other Imams isn't based upon naql but aql and ijithad and is circular. So my comment is essentially that we cannot even mention the names of the other Imams or talk about their nusus without him first believing and accepting ghadeer, talking about the nusus of other imams without first proving the first Imam (as) is pointless. He demonstrated the same tactic with a debate he had with another person on this forum, when he was presented with ghadeer he kept requesting nusus for the other imams which I found as a dishonest tactic that has no basis in this religion or it's sciences and this is why I said what I said. He has been on this forum making the same request for a week and everyone knows exactly what I'm talking about. So no I didn't misunderstand him, if you have any other questions you are welcomed to discuss with me dear brother.  
    Now you're just making things up, as it is clearly obvious from the hadith that Ali (a.s) is requesting the property of banu nadeer for his wife, and Fatima (as) requested no property from Umar and Abu bakr that belonged to banu nadeer except Fadak. So lets break down the hadith 
     
    This is the first part of the hadith, where it clearly says that Imam Ali (a.s.) came to Abu bakr requesting the property of Fatima Zahra and Abu bakr reciting the hadith that prophets do not leave inheritance
     
    1- Fatima never requested any land from banu nadeer except Fadak.
    2- Fatima and Ali requested from Abu bakr first with abu bakr reciting the hadith of inheritance.
     
    This is umar talking about when Ali requested Fadak from abu bakr.
     
     
     
     
    Now this is the second part of the hadith with Ali (as) again making the same request to umar this time.
     
     
     
    Walhamdulilah that the enemies of tashayyu can not even read their own hadith.
     
     
     
     
    First of all stop posting English references, post the Arabic text with the references.
     
    Secondly there are many chains for this hadith so you bringing me references that dispute one or two chains that has nothing to do with my chain that I posted is a mistake in your methodology, let us take a look at an example of how you failed, you posted a reference claiming that al hakim claimed the hadith was weak.
      Let us look at what Al Hakim actually says
     
     وروى الحاكم في المستدرك بسنده عن مجاهد عن ابن عباس قال : قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم : أنا مدينة العلم ، وعلي بابها ، فمن أراد العلم ، فليأت الباب - قال الحاكم : هذا حديث صحيح الإسناد ( "Abu yahya" took all these references from Sunniforum from here  >>> http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-30319.htmland he copy and pasted after asking Shaykh google.Half these references if not all are wrong and taken out of context because they are judging individual chains. In fact this hadith is mutawatir and in fact in the Sunni realm you can weaken or strengthen many times a hadith based upon certain opinions regarding certain narrates, let us look at this ikhtilaf in-depth so inshallah we can benefit. Al hakim says "sahih isnaad", Zahabi says no, it's weak, along with the other people he mentioned. However we go to shawkani and Ibn hajr who put this hadith into perspective for us 
     Ibn hajr then goes on to list his reasons for including it as hasan, firstly because yahya ibn maeen who is the king of rijal scholars said the narrators that were mentioned were thiqa, and secondly because the amount of chains this hadith has.  
     
    1- So ibn hajr considers it hasan 
    2- Yahya ibn maeen considers it sahih.
    3-Shawkani considers it sahih.
    4- Imam al suyuti considers it sahih.
    5-Al Hakim considers it sahih.
     
     
    No it doesn't, it's just a recycled boring English article with the same refuted arguments, if you want to play the copy and paste my shaykh game you'll lose habibi.
     
     
    Now moving on from all of this, the people responding to this thread have no been able to refute the first two points, so let us repeat them, and once you refute the first two points we can discuss the rest of the article that is.
     
    1- Ali is the best of judges, and the definition of a judge is a person who judges and makes a fatwa based upon the evidence he has.
     
    2- Ali requested Fadak from Abu bakr and umar. The rest of the hadith you posted about Ali accepting the hadith of Abu Bakr and Umar that they don't leave inheritance was already answered above, we don't care about that because we don't consider the hadith as a hujja upon us, what we care about are the points we can prove from your own sources. And Ali saying "yes" isn't a proof for anything as the hadith is acceptable and true, however abu bakr and umar used it out of context so Ali saying yes still doesn't prove your point.
     
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    _twelver reacted to Abu-Jafar Herz in The Clear Refutation Of Fadak   
    Why talk about the Nass of Hassan without you first accepting the nass of Imam Ali (as) ? How can have  a roof with no foundation? The nass of Imam al mahdi (as) relies upon his father, and the nass of Imam al hassan askari relies upon his father all the way to Imam Ali (as). If you deny the first all will fall with them, so when you accept the first we can speak Hassan (as), then hussein (as), then zayn al abideen, and I will show you why our nass is objective and not circular.
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    _twelver reacted to Abu-Jafar Herz in The Clear Refutation Of Fadak   
    عندي سؤال واحد فقط لك و للامثالك  , متى ستعلن تشيعك؟ 
     
     
    You have not addressed 95 percent of what I posted "Ibn yahya", and you misunderstood the remaining 5 percent.
     
    Unfortunately you have shown me that you are not well read on Fadak, for Banu nadir were the owners of Fadak and you have shot yourself in the foot by even mentioning their name.  You said that this hadith is not involving Fadak, you're wrong as it clearly is. As we can see from the part you quoted 
     
     
    Secondly go into fath al baari and take a look for yourself what this hadith is referring to, it is rather obvious and I'm kind of surprised you made such a comment. Your own Shaykh Ibn taymiyya also admits that Ali requested Fadak, this was also a forum topic on DD-sunnah forums where one of the "shaykhs" were asked.  http://www.dd-sunnah.net/forum/showthread.php?t=72080
     
    You can tell he is a nasibi the way he talks about Imam Ali (as) and Fatima.
     
     
     
    With all due respect you don't seem to know how to argue, I'm not quoting your hadith because I think they are true or because I feel they have hujjiya, rather I'm quoting them to provide proof for my titles that is "Ali is the best of judges". In terms of him being the most knowledgeable then this hadith is contracted by a stronger hadith for Ali is the most knowledgeable according to your books as well. You're like the Christian where when I show him that Muhammad (saw) is mentioned in the bible he says to me "ok muhammad is in the bible, then why don't you accept the whole bible"!? 
     
    You have completely misunderstood the point of this hadith and why I posted it, the point of me posting this hadith was to show that Ali (as) was noted as the best of judges according to the Prophet (as). You're argument is that being a "good judge" doesn't necessarily meaning you are the most knowledgeable. Unfortunately you have not thought slowly and took your time and responding to me, for he isn't a "good judge", he is the best of judges. If he is the best of judges then as you said he is the best at analyzing proofs and applying them, if this is the case then him return to Umar to request Fadak once again that he judged Abu Bakr's interpretation and lie as incorrect. Also I do not believe that Abu Bakr is the "most merciful" or that Umar is "the most steadfast" but rather this hadith is a hujjah upon you and thus you must take these "fahadail" along with the praise that Ali is the best of judges, thus you must admit that he is the best of judges. If he is the best of judges, and he had the same knowledge of these ahahdeeth and proofs as Umar and Abu Bakr did, yet judged Abu Bakr and Umar as being wrong, then what left do you have to say? :)
     
    Also you're wrong about him being the most knowledgeable as it is famously narrated that he is the a part of the "fuaqaha as-saba'" , the seven fuqaha of the companions, but I wont go into him being the most knowedgable if I wish to do this I could just bring hadith like this, but I don't want to sidetrack the topic.
     
    وروى الحاكم في المستدرك بسنده عن مجاهد عن ابن عباس قال : قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم : أنا مدينة العلم ، وعلي بابها ، فمن أراد العلم ، فليأت الباب - قال الحاكم : هذا حديث صحيح الإسناد (
     
    "The messaneger of Allah said, I am the city of knwowledge and Ali is it's gate, so whoever wishes for knowledge then let him come by the door". Hakim said, the hadith is Sahih. The hadith is also mutawatir and can be found in the the mu[Edited Out]ir compilations.
     
     
      
    Again, I could care less if your hadith said that the moon was made of cheese and Abu Bakr was the Khalifa on it, what we care about is the fact that we can prove to you that Ali (as) requested Fadak according to your belief, nothing more and nothing less.
     
    Regarding those narrations then many of them are fabricated anyways, let's take a look at one exmaple that "twelvershia.net" has posted
     
    Let's take a look
     
    But Mu`adh ibn Jabal said: “O Ameer al-Mu’mineen! You may have the authority to stone her but you do not have the authority to do the same for the child in her womb.” So he left her until she gave birth to a boy.
    The man saw in him great resemblance to himself, and shouted: “By the Lord of the Ka`bah he is my son!”
    `Umar then told Mu`adh: “Women have given up trying to give birth to anyone like Mu`adh, if it were not for Mu`adh then `Umar would perish.”
     
     
    So Ali returned them and he said to Umar: “Did you order this woman to be stoned?" He said “Yes, she admitted to adultery!" So Ali said to him “Yes this is your authority upon her, but what about your authority over the one in her stomach?" Then Ali said to him “Perhaps you would have rebuked her or lightened her punishment?" So Umar said “it would have been that." Then Ali responded “Or have you not heard the prophet (saw) say there is no punishment upon the admitter after tragedy/ misfortune/pain has fallen upon them, he who is chained or jailed or threatened then there is no admittance accepted from for him." So Umar opened the way for her and said “Women are not able to give birth to the likes of Ali, and if not for Ali Umar would have perished”.
     
    Hmm that's funny, I heard that companions were masum in your religion but I didn't know that they also had the ability to shapeshift. The hadith is an obvious fabrication to take away from the merits of Ali (as), thus is how your religion was structured.
     
     
    God help us.
     
    Thanks it refuted my entire post, I'll become Sunni later.
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    _twelver reacted to repenter-gone4awhile in Misrepresenting Karbala: A Response To Yasir Qadhi   
    Locking thread for now so i can read through it, don't tell me i didn't warn you guys about insulting eachother or the school of thoughts.
    And don't come crying to me if you can't log on after i'm done.
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    _twelver reacted to Ali_Hussain in Do Shia Give Divine Attributes To The Imams?   
    (bismillah)
     
    (salam)
     
    Not in every situation, for example, Allah is al-Khaaliq, from the Qur'an: 
     
    ثُمَّ خَلَقْنَا النُّطْفَةَ عَلَقَةً فَخَلَقْنَا الْعَلَقَةَ مُضْغَةً فَخَلَقْنَا الْمُضْغَةَ عِظَامًا فَكَسَوْنَا الْعِظَامَ لَحْمًا ثُمَّ أَنشَأْنَاهُ خَلْقًا آخَرَ‌ ۚ فَتَبَارَ‌كَ اللَّـهُ أَحْسَنُ الْخَالِقِينَ
     
    Then We made the seed a clot, then We made the clot a lump of flesh, then We made (in) the lump of flesh bones, then We clothed the bones with flesh, then We caused it to grow into another creation, so blessed be Allah, the best of the creators. (23:14)
     
    In another verse, Allah عز و جل says:
     
    وَرَ‌سُولًا إِلَىٰ بَنِي إِسْرَ‌ائِيلَ أَنِّي قَدْ جِئْتُكُم بِآيَةٍ مِّن رَّ‌بِّكُمْ ۖ أَنِّي أَخْلُقُ لَكُم مِّنَ الطِّينِ كَهَيْئَةِ الطَّيْرِ‌ فَأَنفُخُ فِيهِ فَيَكُونُ طَيْرً‌ا بِإِذْنِ اللَّـهِ ۖ وَأُبْرِ‌ئُ الْأَكْمَهَ وَالْأَبْرَ‌صَ وَأُحْيِي الْمَوْتَىٰ بِإِذْنِ اللَّـهِ ۖ وَأُنَبِّئُكُم بِمَا تَأْكُلُونَ وَمَا تَدَّخِرُ‌ونَ فِي بُيُوتِكُمْ ۚ إِنَّ فِي ذَٰلِكَ لَآيَةً لَّكُمْ إِن كُنتُم مُّؤْمِنِينَ
     
    to be a Messenger to the Children of Israel saying, "I have come to you with a sign from your Lord. I will create for you out of clay as the likeness of a bird; then I will breathe into it, and it will be a bird, by the leave of God. I will also heal the blind and the leper, and bring to life the dead, by the leave of God. I will inform you too of what things you eat, and what you treasure up in your houses. Surely in that is a sign for you, if you are believers. (3:49)
     
    The Tafsir of this that has reached us from the Ahl al-Bayt عليهم السلام is:
     
    في التوحيد عن الرضا عليه السلام إنه سئل وغير الخالق الجليل خالق قال إن الله تبارك وتعالى قال تبارك الله أحسن الخالقين وقد أخبر أن في عباده خالقين وغير خالقين منهم عيسى بن مريم خلق من الطين كهيئة الطير بإذن الله والسامري خلق لهم عجلا جسدا له خوار
     
    In al-Tawhid, from al-Ridha عليه السلام that he was asked, and other than the Sublime Creator created? He (al-Ridha) said that Allah تبارك وتعالى said: Blessed be Allah, the best of the creators and he had informed us that from his servants are creators and non-creators. From them, 'Isa bin Maryam created from clay, the likeness of a bird, by the will of Allah, and al-Samiri created for them a calf who's body bellowed.
     
    al-Kashani, Tafsir al-Safi (3:49)
     
     
    So whilst a lot of times, giving Imams divine attributes, with the sole excuse that "Allah can do it if he wants" with no clear proof, is  (more often than not) clear deviance, it isn't in every situation.
     
    (salam)
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    _twelver reacted to Abbas. in Why Is It So Hard To Understand?   
    Found a video of a sunni maulana on facebook using this same reference. It seems that none of the people who are quoting this reference have actually read the entire narration. I am attaching the full version of this riwayat for attention of urdu speaking community and would like to point out the following:
     
    1) The narration clearly says that the 'miserable of the miserables' lied to Bibi Fatima regarding the intention of Hazrat Ali marrying the daughter of Abu Jahl (this has conveniently been removed from your copy paste)
     
    2) The narration confirms that Hazrat Ali objected to that allegation
     
    3) It also uses the word 'ghayrah' for Bibi Fatima rather than 'jealousy'. Ghayrah is linked with being protective and wishing that someone does not get harmed.
     
    4) In the narration, the Prophet told Hazrat Ali that he spoke the truth by saying that he did not intend to marry Abu Jahl's daughter.
     
    5) The narration also says that the Prophet called Abu Bakr and Umar before asking Ali, "Have you not heard that who ever angers Fatima....".
     
    6) The narration continues on to explain how Bibi Fatima was displeased with the two caliphs and did not want them to enter the house at her death bed. She did not speak to them.
     
    7) The title of the narration in Sheikh Sadooq's Ilal Sharae' is "The reason why Bibi Fatima was buried at night and not in day light". 
     
    Salams

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