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    mutazili(wasil) got a reaction from Bima Bagus Pambudhi in Is Ahmadiyya A Branch Of Sunni Sect?   
    all muslim shahadah is : la ilaha illa Allah mohamed rasool Allah , be it shia or sunnis
     
    ali wali Allah is not part of the shahadah (refer to sheikh sadooq )
  2. Completely Agree
    mutazili(wasil) got a reaction from Ageng Bagus Bima Pambudhi in Is Ahmadiyya A Branch Of Sunni Sect?   
    all muslim shahadah is : la ilaha illa Allah mohamed rasool Allah , be it shia or sunnis
     
    ali wali Allah is not part of the shahadah (refer to sheikh sadooq )
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    mutazili(wasil) got a reaction from Panzerwaffe in What Is Walid (Wasil) Now?   
    yes, i studied under many shuyukh apart from my phylosophical backgroud(formal studywise) and i have a degree in law which requires great arabic knowledge. but about theology etc i educated myself mostly and i reached a conclusion that not a single sect has the complete truth so i stopped looking for truth and concentrated on getting closer to it as i can, whatever makes me feel closer to the subjective truth is my manhaj and belief.
    ws
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    mutazili(wasil) got a reaction from Panzerwaffe in What Is Walid (Wasil) Now?   
    i am a muslim mutazili twelver
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    mutazili(wasil) got a reaction from AhleSunnahWalJammah in Is Ahmadiyya A Branch Of Sunni Sect?   
    all muslim shahadah is : la ilaha illa Allah mohamed rasool Allah , be it shia or sunnis
     
    ali wali Allah is not part of the shahadah (refer to sheikh sadooq )
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    mutazili(wasil) got a reaction from Ali_Hussain in Abu Hurairah Versus Ibrahim Ibn Hashim(Ra)   
    Salam alaikom 
     
    The brothers on my forum ( a small forum nothing like shiachat ) asked me to clear the misconceptions regarding my debate with Farid on the infamous forum.
     
    First of all Farid didn't win the debate but lost big style , if anyone with some knowledge of hadith sciences have read the debate they would be able to judge for themselves. imagine i am a mumbling liar but read the debate for yourselves and see how the hadith of abu hurairah was shredded to pieces : from tadlees of abu hurairah (hearing a hadith from someone and attributing it to the prophet ) to taking his beliefs from the Israelites to inventing fairytales  and attributing them to the prophet (saww) etc etc ...
     
    To show you just what a strong adversary i was then the debate itself was not even fair but still i accepted it , i explain why the debate was unfair :
    -Abu hurairah is a companion of the prophet and from different layer to sheikh ibrahim ibn hashim (ra) 
    -more information are there about abu hurairah than about our sheikh(ra).
     
    so it's like Farid had an AK47 againt a knife i had and the beauty of it is that he lost despite this.
     
    after few first posts and as soon as we started discussing abu hurairah i wanted to stop the debate for 2 reasons:
    1- the first hadith i used to criticize abu hurairah was landsliding and i felt really sorry for the opponents because i have so many hadiths that would make abu hurairah look really bad and in a very bad light and wallahi i didn't want to do this because at that point i realized how bad it was to enter such debates where venered sunni personalities are brought down in such fashion, few members there asked me gently to not antagonize them through harsh criticism of abu hurairah and i felt guilty. Then my kindness was construed as weakness so i decided to carry on with the debate , i thought they would appreciate that i stop bringing down the narrations of abu hurairah but they took it the wrong way.
     
    i decided to withdraw while i was on top so how on earth is this weakness , here's the topic and the hadith i showed and see how hard i hit and why i wanted to stop there and judge for yourselves : start from post 56 ( before this you will see Farid trying to delay discussing abu hurairah the best he could ):
     
    [URL Edited]/index.php?showtopic=14843&st=40
     
    now the defence i did for sheikh ibn hashim (ra) was great alhamdulilleh because i defended him in a way that no other person did (maybe in history but correct me if i am wrong by showing me a single person that defended our sheikh the way i did )
     
    with the little information we have about him in our books then show me a single person who could have done better ! I am sorry but it's the truth.
     
    the only place where farid shook me a bit is about how to use the book "nawadir al-hikmah" to show the trustworthiness of a narrator , this was an uncharted territory and even some of our biggest scholars got it wrong there but i managed to reach the most scientific verdict alhamdulilleh .
     
    I don't think the debate is so difficult to read as i did a huge effort in translating terms that are technical etc ....
     
    read what you can and see for yourselves.
     
    and no i am not a sunni as such , if sunni means following the sunnah then we are sunnis, i explain something : I had a very severe reaction to a medication that gave me a condition called akathisia , this hellish illness gives you the worst symptoms a human being can experience , it's pure hell wallah . it was a stupid doctor's error and i sued him and i will win inshallah. it was the worst year of my life and to add to my misery i fell while playing football and injured my neck. i was suicidal and extremely miserable , one doctor said he never saw anything like it . alhamdulilleh it's gone bifadhlilleh. i was delirious and completely out of it . in brief i don't wish it for my worst enemy wallah.
     
    take care brothers and have fun 
     
    wasil 
     
     
     
     
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    mutazili(wasil) got a reaction from Safannah in Sunni Vs Shia   
    Absolute rubbish( with respect only to the verses posted).
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    mutazili(wasil) got a reaction from igotquestions in A Confused Shia - 2 Questions   
    what can i say?
    1- shia have what they need from tafseer of quran in the hadiths , tafseer is not about these so-called crimes of some sahabah, thousands of sahabah were good people and they were the guardians of the religion so please don't try to make us look bad.
    2- no book is 100% sahih doesn't mean it's 0%  sahih 
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    mutazili(wasil) got a reaction from igotquestions in Wilayat Al-Takwiniyyah   
    Reasonable and i add : even if it means mojizat (miracles) then it's wrong to name it wilayat takweenyyat because wilayat takweenyat is for Allah alone 
     
    ws
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    mutazili(wasil) got a reaction from Al-Hassan in "sahih" Al-Bukhari : How Sahih Is It Really?   
    Anyway i carry on with bukhari:
     
    حدثنا مسدد حدثنا يحيى بن سعيد عن شعبة عن أبي التياح عن أنس بن مالك رضي الله عنه قال قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم اسمعوا وأطيعوا وإن استعمل عليكم عبد حبشي كأن رأسه زبيبة
     
    http://library.islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php?flag=1&bk_no=52&ID=13069
     
    Allegedly the prophet(pbuh) said: heed and obey to anyone that appointed to rule over you "EVEN " if he was an Ethiopian slave with a head like a raisin.
     
    This hadith is no way a hadith said by the prophet (saww) , it seems to me like a joke by Hitler
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    mutazili(wasil) got a reaction from Ali-F in My Debate With Farid: Exposing The Lies   
    Ok i'll leave it 
     
    ws
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    mutazili(wasil) got a reaction from Modest Muslim in My Debate With Farid: Exposing The Lies   
    Salam alaykom 
     
    If the admin allows me then i will post everyday parts of this debate to show who really won the debate 
     
    I will start by the discussion regarding abu hurairah first and i will explain why afterwards inshallah.
     
    It's a great debate that Farid and his friends claim to have won but i will let you judge for yourselves:
     
    I start with my first post about abu hurairah :
     
    please discuss this in an other thread
     
    salam alaykom 

    I don't know what rule did you base your view upon whne you said it's easier for ibrahim ibn hashim to lie upon other people rather than masoomin (as)? any scientific proof? or is this just from "kees" (purse or wallet) of farid?  

    your other arguments are already answered in my previous post so here it it , no need for repetition:

    http://islamic-forum...indpost&p=97688

    as for ahmed ibn hanbal and his one million memorized hadith then it's relevant because you are amazed at 30 thousand answer (even though i know this is not your main argument but still it's in the topic)

    we know thatrasool Allah(saww) when he saw so many lies attributedto him he said : whoever lied upon me deliberately then let him book his chair in hell (rough translation) 

    it's time to start with abu hurairah now so i start with a small dose :

    in sahih muslim chapter of jumu'a-chapter of "fadhl" yawm al-jumu'a hadith number 854:

    854 وحدثنا قتيبة بن سعيد حدثنا المغيرة يعني الحزامي عن أبي الزناد عن الأعرج عن أبي هريرة أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال خير يوم طلعت عليه الشمس يوم الجمعة فيه خلق آدم وفيه أدخل الجنة وفيه أخرج منها ولا تقوم الساعة إلا في يوم الجمعة

    abu hurairah said : the prophet (saww) SAID : the best day in which the sun has risen is the Friday, in it Adam was created ...etc 

    but in sahih abi khuzaimah abu hurarah said :

    محمد بن يحيى ، حدثنا قال : نا محمد بن يوسف ، ثنا الأوزاعي ، عن يحيى ، عن أبي سلمة ، عن أبي هريرة : خير يوم طلعت فيه الشمس يوم الجمعة ، فيه خلق آدم ، وفيه أسكن الجنة ، وفيه أخرج منها ، وفيه تقوم الساعة ، قال : قلت له : أشيء سمعته من رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ؟ قال : بل شيء حدثناه كعب

    mohamed ibn yahya narrated mohamed ibn ussof narrated al-awza'i from yahya from abi salamah from abu hurairah he said : the best day in which the sun has risen is the Friday ... so i asked him( abu salamah asking abu hurairah) : did you hear this from rasool Allah ?? he ( abu hurairah) said :it's rather something Kaab(Kaab al-ahbar ) told me !!!

    here's the hadith from sahih ibn khuzaimah :

    محمد بن يحيى ، حدثنا قال : نا محمد بن يوسف ، ثنا الأوزاعي ، عن يحيى ، عن أبي سلمة ، عن أبي هريرة : خير يوم طلعت فيه الشمس يوم الجمعة ، فيه خلق آدم ، وفيه أسكن الجنة ، وفيه أخرج منها ، وفيه تقوم الساعة ، قال : قلت له : أشيء سمعته من رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ؟ قال : بل شيء حدثناه كعب

    so did abu hurairah hear this from the prophet or from Kaab and if it's from kaab how could he attribute it to rasool Allah (saww) ???

    but more confusion is coming from the book of malik : muwatta malik :

    243 وحدثني عن مالك عن يزيد بن عبد الله بن الهاد عن محمد بن إبراهيم بن الحارث التيمي عن أبي سلمة بن عبد الرحمن بن عوف عن أبي هريرة أنه قال خرجت إلى الطور فلقيت كعب الأحبار فجلست معه فحدثني عن التوراة وحدثته عن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فكان فيما حدثته أن قلت قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم خير يوم طلعت عليه الشمس يوم الجمعة فيه خلق آدم

    narrated malik from yazeed ibn abdilleh ibn alhaad from mohamed ibn ibrahim ibn alharith altaimi from abi salamah ibn abdirrahman ibn awf that abu hurairah said : i went out... so i met Kaab Al-Ahbar so i sat with him and he told me about tawraat (Torah) and i told him about rasool Allah , and amongst what i told him i said : the prophet (saww) said: the best day in which the son has risen is the The Friday ...the hadith 

    awaiting your comments farid 

    Farid answered 
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    mutazili(wasil) got a reaction from IbnSohan in My Debate With Farid: Exposing The Lies   
    Salam alaykom 
     
    If the admin allows me then i will post everyday parts of this debate to show who really won the debate 
     
    I will start by the discussion regarding abu hurairah first and i will explain why afterwards inshallah.
     
    It's a great debate that Farid and his friends claim to have won but i will let you judge for yourselves:
     
    I start with my first post about abu hurairah :
     
    please discuss this in an other thread
     
    salam alaykom 

    I don't know what rule did you base your view upon whne you said it's easier for ibrahim ibn hashim to lie upon other people rather than masoomin (as)? any scientific proof? or is this just from "kees" (purse or wallet) of farid?  

    your other arguments are already answered in my previous post so here it it , no need for repetition:

    http://islamic-forum...indpost&p=97688

    as for ahmed ibn hanbal and his one million memorized hadith then it's relevant because you are amazed at 30 thousand answer (even though i know this is not your main argument but still it's in the topic)

    we know thatrasool Allah(saww) when he saw so many lies attributedto him he said : whoever lied upon me deliberately then let him book his chair in hell (rough translation) 

    it's time to start with abu hurairah now so i start with a small dose :

    in sahih muslim chapter of jumu'a-chapter of "fadhl" yawm al-jumu'a hadith number 854:

    854 وحدثنا قتيبة بن سعيد حدثنا المغيرة يعني الحزامي عن أبي الزناد عن الأعرج عن أبي هريرة أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال خير يوم طلعت عليه الشمس يوم الجمعة فيه خلق آدم وفيه أدخل الجنة وفيه أخرج منها ولا تقوم الساعة إلا في يوم الجمعة

    abu hurairah said : the prophet (saww) SAID : the best day in which the sun has risen is the Friday, in it Adam was created ...etc 

    but in sahih abi khuzaimah abu hurarah said :

    محمد بن يحيى ، حدثنا قال : نا محمد بن يوسف ، ثنا الأوزاعي ، عن يحيى ، عن أبي سلمة ، عن أبي هريرة : خير يوم طلعت فيه الشمس يوم الجمعة ، فيه خلق آدم ، وفيه أسكن الجنة ، وفيه أخرج منها ، وفيه تقوم الساعة ، قال : قلت له : أشيء سمعته من رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ؟ قال : بل شيء حدثناه كعب

    mohamed ibn yahya narrated mohamed ibn ussof narrated al-awza'i from yahya from abi salamah from abu hurairah he said : the best day in which the sun has risen is the Friday ... so i asked him( abu salamah asking abu hurairah) : did you hear this from rasool Allah ?? he ( abu hurairah) said :it's rather something Kaab(Kaab al-ahbar ) told me !!!

    here's the hadith from sahih ibn khuzaimah :

    محمد بن يحيى ، حدثنا قال : نا محمد بن يوسف ، ثنا الأوزاعي ، عن يحيى ، عن أبي سلمة ، عن أبي هريرة : خير يوم طلعت فيه الشمس يوم الجمعة ، فيه خلق آدم ، وفيه أسكن الجنة ، وفيه أخرج منها ، وفيه تقوم الساعة ، قال : قلت له : أشيء سمعته من رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ؟ قال : بل شيء حدثناه كعب

    so did abu hurairah hear this from the prophet or from Kaab and if it's from kaab how could he attribute it to rasool Allah (saww) ???

    but more confusion is coming from the book of malik : muwatta malik :

    243 وحدثني عن مالك عن يزيد بن عبد الله بن الهاد عن محمد بن إبراهيم بن الحارث التيمي عن أبي سلمة بن عبد الرحمن بن عوف عن أبي هريرة أنه قال خرجت إلى الطور فلقيت كعب الأحبار فجلست معه فحدثني عن التوراة وحدثته عن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فكان فيما حدثته أن قلت قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم خير يوم طلعت عليه الشمس يوم الجمعة فيه خلق آدم

    narrated malik from yazeed ibn abdilleh ibn alhaad from mohamed ibn ibrahim ibn alharith altaimi from abi salamah ibn abdirrahman ibn awf that abu hurairah said : i went out... so i met Kaab Al-Ahbar so i sat with him and he told me about tawraat (Torah) and i told him about rasool Allah , and amongst what i told him i said : the prophet (saww) said: the best day in which the son has risen is the The Friday ...the hadith 

    awaiting your comments farid 

    Farid answered 
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    mutazili(wasil) got a reaction from PenOfTruth in Are There Any   
    Akhbari scholars like istrabadi etc ... 
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    mutazili(wasil) got a reaction from Haydar Husayn in May Imam Ali "protect You"?   
    Yes i was not born in the west  but i am sure everyone here understands what i'm saying including you .
     
    you are refusing to understand the difference between the two forms of asking help, i tried to make it easier for you but you started telling me about the linguistic meaning of the word dua even though it's clear i was talking about the religious meaning of it.
     
    You are confusing shafaa which is the great intercession that happens in the day of judgement not the intercession we are on about here. U accused me of rejecting tawassol even though i am pro-tawassol but with great care and special conditions that dont lead to shirk.
     
    I gave you two hadiths explaining how intercession is done.
     
    Still you are not trying to understand and you are trying to use weak and contradictory arguments.
     
    I explain more : when you are ill you resort to a doctor who is able to prescribe some meds that can help you heal, when you are drowning (god forbid) you ask the people on a boat nearby to help you, many example of the seeking-of-help based on Causality , "asbaab" that are there that can help you , ali(as) is not from 
     
    these "asbab" because it's silly to ask the imam (as) to help you being cured or help you save yourself from drowning , there's direct "asbab" that are there to provide help. And even these "asbab" are created by Allah so Allah created the power "to do" in everything capable of doing , still it's silly to believe that  a believer who doesn't know how to swim.has a bigger chance of being saved from drowning than a  kaffir who knows how to swim
     
    that's all understood but the other form of seeking help is the form that's based on delegation and complete submission to Allah through asking him alone directly or through intercession and this one is for Allah alone , like when someone has cancer and asks Allah to cure him , when a man has a problem that only Allah can solve, then nobody but Allah must be asked 
     
    Anyway this has become a futile discussion so I pray that Allah guides you and me and protect us from shirk 
     
    ws
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    mutazili(wasil) got a reaction from Haydar Husayn in May Imam Ali "protect You"?   
    It's the same point , whatever negates this negates the other , look! you failed to realize something : there's two kinds of seeking help 
     
    1-seeking help in the sense of complete reliance and submission and or more accurately delegation and this is only from Allah 
     
    2- seeking help in the sense of causality which can be from anybody or actions like when Allah says : "rely on prayer and fasting " , here we can ask for help times and times again everyday from other people.
     
    Now what explains this more is just the example you gave which led us to differentiation between the help sought from Allah and should never be sought from anyone else and the help that we seek everyday from others. you used the help required in the sense of causality to prove an other kind of help that can only be sought from Allah and this is a problem in methodology.
     
    I believe you speak arabic so read what sayed al-khoei says here (read from page 478: only couple of pages ) 
     
    http://rafed.net/booklib/view.php?type=c_fbook&b_id=691&page=478
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    mutazili(wasil) got a reaction from Abul Hussain Hassani in May Imam Ali "protect You"?   
    Twassol is something and saying : ya ali(as) help me or give me health etc is something else.
     
    please avoid calling upon other than Allah for help  as i don't want you to bear this great sin 
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    mutazili(wasil) got a reaction from Haydar Husayn in May Imam Ali "protect You"?   
    Twassol is something and saying : ya ali(as) help me or give me health etc is something else.
     
    please avoid calling upon other than Allah for help  as i don't want you to bear this great sin 
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    mutazili(wasil) got a reaction from PenOfTruth in Are We True Shia   
    First step would be : leaving all ghulu and giving more importance to tawheed Allah and avoid any shirk be it small or big 
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    mutazili(wasil) got a reaction from PenOfTruth in Absurdities In Hadis   
    The (op) is right and this hadith is weak sanadan and very absurd matnan :
     
    the hadith was narrated by mohamed ibn al-ees( correct name mohamed ibn al-fadhl) and "tareeq" sheikh sadooq to him is weak because of inconsistencies in the"tareeq" , al-khoei considered mohamed ibn al-ees majhool. he also weakened the sanad for different reasons to mine. Still I agree with sayed alkhoei that thishadith is weak sanadan 
     
    As for the hadith posted by brother ibn al-ja'abi then it is also weak , i mean this one :
     
      
    ws

    This is the kind of ridiculous Hadiths that were dumped into shia books and they don't make any sense.
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    mutazili(wasil) got a reaction from Ali_Hussain in Book: Demolishing The Creed Of The Shiah   
    It depends which shi'ism 
     
    if it's the black shi'ism then that's easy but if it's the red shi'ism then the authors of this book can dream but they can never extinguish the light 
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    mutazili(wasil) got a reaction from Robin Hood in May Imam Ali "protect You"?   
    May ali(as) protect you is not a right form of tawassol and it should not be said . My opinion again take it or leave it 
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    mutazili(wasil) got a reaction from Zaynab McCabe in What Does Islam Say About Free Will   
    Free will is a a gift Allah gave to man but with it comes a lot of responsibilities. In shi'ism there's free will but there's also fate or what imam ali(as) calls a status a matter between two matters meaning there's free will but there's also fate
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    mutazili(wasil) got a reaction from TheIslamHistory in "sahih" Al-Bukhari : How Sahih Is It Really?   
    Anyway i carry on with bukhari:
     
    حدثنا مسدد حدثنا يحيى بن سعيد عن شعبة عن أبي التياح عن أنس بن مالك رضي الله عنه قال قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم اسمعوا وأطيعوا وإن استعمل عليكم عبد حبشي كأن رأسه زبيبة
     
    http://library.islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php?flag=1&bk_no=52&ID=13069
     
    Allegedly the prophet(pbuh) said: heed and obey to anyone that appointed to rule over you "EVEN " if he was an Ethiopian slave with a head like a raisin.
     
    This hadith is no way a hadith said by the prophet (saww) , it seems to me like a joke by Hitler
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    mutazili(wasil) got a reaction from TheIslamHistory in Shia Shahadah?   
    This is absolute rubbish:
     
    Thee Shia shahadat is :
     
    I bear witness that there's no deity but Allah and that Mohamed is the messenger of Allah
     
    yes we believe Ali (AS) to be "wali Allah" but it's not part of shahadat
     
    ws
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