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mutazili(wasil)

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  1. Akhi i had enough I am being called a nasibi and fake shia and was told that the debate is staged even by people who didn't read it . I am out of here now i was picked on by a salafi mujassim and a man thinking he is the mahdi(as) i am out of here akhi ws ps: i lost my temper and i abused everyone in the chat room . I am going to be banned anyway good luck akhi
  2. Salam alaykom If the admin allows me then i will post everyday parts of this debate to show who really won the debate I will start by the discussion regarding abu hurairah first and i will explain why afterwards inshallah. It's a great debate that Farid and his friends claim to have won but i will let you judge for yourselves: I start with my first post about abu hurairah : please discuss this in an other thread salam alaykom I don't know what rule did you base your view upon whne you said it's easier for ibrahim ibn hashim to lie upon other people rather than masoomin (as)? an
  3. Yes such hadiths are narrated in the shia books but they make no sense at all and i find them unreliable , Majlissi felt this so he interpreted these hadith in a way by saying : what was meant is the narration of the opponents in general and not every narration , anyway here's a few compiled by majlissi in bihar al-anwar : :18 - وعنه بإسناده عن الصدوق، عن ابن المتوكل، عن السعد آبادي، عن البرقي، عن ابن فضال، عن الحسن بن جهم قال: قلت للعبد الصالح عليه السلام: هل يسعنا فيما يرد علينا منكم إلا التسليم لكم؟ فقال عليه السلام: لا والله لا يسعكم إلا التسليم لنا. قلت: فيروى عن أبي عبد الله عليه ا
  4. Akhbari scholars like istrabadi etc ...
  5. it's ok akhi , my bad first hadith about omar: can be classed hasan by sunni standards second hadith about abu bakr is weak by sunni standards third hadith is also weak by sunni standards ws
  6. No i didn't memorize it but hadiths about fadhail are well known to most people familiar with hadiths and bukhari doesn't contain this hadith , if you think it does then please present it from a link to al-bukhari . all i'm saying is that you need to check your sources a bit more that's all
  7. Yes i was not born in the west but i am sure everyone here understands what i'm saying including you . you are refusing to understand the difference between the two forms of asking help, i tried to make it easier for you but you started telling me about the linguistic meaning of the word dua even though it's clear i was talking about the religious meaning of it. You are confusing shafaa which is the great intercession that happens in the day of judgement not the intercession we are on about here. U accused me of rejecting tawassol even though i am pro-tawassol but with great care and spec
  8. You never said no ! but you mocked that a drowning man can ask for help from Allah rather than others , then when i asked you : shall they seek help from ali(as) instead you say : i didn't say no! meaning you say yes ? isn't it a bit strange ! you said : "they can ask our imams for shafa'a " ! so imams and not Allah ! And shafaa has nothing to do with drowning ! shafaa to help a drowning person or the sick!!! do u know what shafaa means akhi ? if you mean intercession then intercession is a way of asking Allah alone through rasool Allah (saww) or the imams etc ... it's not asking the imams o
  9. Akhi wait a second : I am not against tawassol but you are misunderstanding tawassol and how it should be done! I am pro-tawassol but we shouldn't confuse tawassol with shirk . I explain : you argued: I said : can they (the examples ) seek help from ali (as) instead ?? the answer is no so why not ??? can you explain ? awaiting your answer then i'll get to more explaining so bear with me please
  10. I ve never heard that this hadith in al-bukhari akhi, please double check your information the hadith the OP mentioned from okbah ibn amir can be found in many books and here's the sanad from mustadrak : أخبرني عبد الله بن محمد بن إسحاق الخزاعي ، بمكة ، ثنا أبو يحيى بن أبي ميسرة ، ثنا عبد الله بن يزيد المقري ، ثنا حيوة بن شريح ، عنبكر بن عمرو ، عن مشرح بن هاعان ، عن عقبة بن عامر - رضي الله عنه - قال : سمعت رسول الله - صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم - يقول : " لو كان بعدي نبي لكان عمر بن الخطاب " .
  11. It's the same point , whatever negates this negates the other , look! you failed to realize something : there's two kinds of seeking help 1-seeking help in the sense of complete reliance and submission and or more accurately delegation and this is only from Allah 2- seeking help in the sense of causality which can be from anybody or actions like when Allah says : "rely on prayer and fasting " , here we can ask for help times and times again everyday from other people. Now what explains this more is just the example you gave which led us to differentiation between the help sought from A
  12. will ali(as) help a drowning person or someone suffering with cancer ?
  13. Twassol is something and saying : ya ali(as) help me or give me health etc is something else. please avoid calling upon other than Allah for help as i don't want you to bear this great sin
  14. First step would be : leaving all ghulu and giving more importance to tawheed Allah and avoid any shirk be it small or big
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