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  1. I know that this topic hasn't been updated for over 10 years (!), but by accident I found the above quotation. In the Qur'an, Jesus is called a word for Allah, which is explained (at least by Sunnis) as referring to Jesus being created by the word 'Be' spoken to Mary. Was Ali created by the word 'Be' as well (either at his human conception or some pre-existent creation)? Ot does the phrase of "word of God" here have some other interpretation? Richard
  2. I have started a topic asking about the Light of Muhammad: https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235061646-the-creation-of-the-light-of-Muhammad/?tab=comments#comment-3207155 To risk duplication, how would you interpret the saying of Muhammad you quoted? Is the One Divine Light divided to make Ali and Muhammad? Are Ali and Muhammad created from nothing but made to resemble the Divine Light? Or something else? Richard PS. What is the source of the Prophet's quotation?
  3. Interesting point. The standard answer is that creation was created "from nothing" - hence God is still infinite. This is why stating that Muhammad's Light was created from Allah's Light and not created from nothing is so very important. PS. What do you mean by, "so are you happy now? did you not feel special enough that you were not celebrated as the Ahlul Bayt were?"
  4. We are in absolute agreement. (However, I know that some Sufis have related the Light verse you quoted to the Light of Muhammad). So what are your thoughts about the Light of Muhammad being created from the Light of Allah?
  5. Thank you for your point. You bring up some interesting points for discussion (who redeems Adam - Jesus or Muhammad), but this is not the thread for it. You imply that Jesus' soul is Allah; this is incorrect, although easy to see how certain statements about God can be misunderstood. Jesus was fully human; his body, soul, spirit (or whatever belongs to humanity) were created within Mary's womb. This is believed by all mainstream churches (Coptic, 'Nestorian', Greek, Western). A related question would be: how is the Light of Muhammad related to Muhammad himself, and also to the Imams and Prophets. Perhaps for another thread, but this is a question I'd like to ask sometime.
  6. I shall write after the weekend. I want to see what Muslims - specifically either Shia or Sufi - think of it. Many years ago I joined another Muslim forum, and also asked about the Light of Muhammad, and got a strange reply about his teaching being his 'light'. I later discovered that this was wahabi or similar. oops!
  7. Thank you for your view. God truly is not measurable. There are Sufi stories about God talking a "handful" of his light and forming Muhammad's light from it. I suppose the story was meant to be symbolic.
  8. By suggesting that the Light of Muhammad was created from nothing, I meant to assume that it was created by God from nothing. Atheists can be accused of believing that everything came from nothing without a creator, and so how could this be?
  9. I would like to know more about the concept of the Light of Muhammad. I know that this can be a controversial topic, but from what I can gather, Shia accept the existence of the Light of Muhammad as being created from the Light of Allah. It is this that I would like to be clarified. By saying that the Light of Muhammad was created from the Light of Allah, do you mean: 1) That the Light of Muhammad was created from nothing, but appeared to be like the Light of Allah? 2) that a ‘part’ of Allah’s Light ceased being part of Allah to become the Light of Muhammad? 3) That the Light of Muhammad never left Allah’s Light, but exists within It? 4) That the Light of Muhammad is part of Allah or of Allah's Light? 5) Or something else! I’ve looked at certain Sufi books, and there never seems to be a clear answer?
  10. Recently, I discovered that Shia call Fatima the Mother of the Book (via the infallible Wikipedia). Now I had heard that the Mother of the Book referred to the Heavenly Tablet on which the Qur'an is written, "it is in the Mother of the Book, in Our Presence" (Qur'an 43:4). How is this title explained as belonging to Fatima?
  11. Hi, In a topic on beards there was an interesting story about Adam and Eve. I had posted to ask the source of the story. http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/3827-beard-in-islam/page-2#entry2737070 However, the poster has not been on shiachat for a while. As I am new, I cannot post message to him, rahat: http://www.shiachat.com/forum/user/1073-rahat/ Could someone send him a message directing him to this story and my question for the source. Many thanks, Richard
  12. Dear rabat, This is a fascinating story. What is the source of this - hadith, stories of the prophets, etc? If you or anyone could help me then I would be very grateful! :) Richard
  13. Dear TheIslamHistory, Others here have pointed out a different translation of the above ayat as referring to his death. Instead of "I will take thee" some Muslims translate this as "For God said: "O Jesus, I will terminate your life, and raise you to Me ..." " (3:55 from the Quranist site http://www.free-minds.org/quran/PM/3 ). Indeed, in antiquity it was also understood as "die" by some Muslims: In other words, according to this interpretation of the ayat both his death and raising up had already happened. Richard
  14. Are you Eastern Orthodox or Oriental Orthodox?

    1. EasternQibla


      Eastern, but I consider all the three eastern churches ('Nestorian", mine, 'Oriental' to be the same: we argued over Greek words, not reality).

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