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  1. ahah tumhari warning neechay kerdi hai mainai lol 100% pai thi

  2. Assalam u ALaikum Brother Morg,

    I happen to read some old threads today and your posts. Those good old days....where have you been ? I havn't seen you for a while...

    Kind Regards,

  3. we take our religion from the quran as well as you do. although sources are a bit different. people who are heroes for us may be not so great in your views, and vice versa (example abo lulu) i dont know much of the incident of wheither or not marwan ibn abd al hakam were cursed and exiled. but he was i think in between 5 and 8 years old then, and only his father were exiled. some other brother can surely explain better.
  4. there is one difference between shia jaafri ithna ashari and shia jaafri ismaili before imam jaafar saadiq (ra), ismailis do not believe in imam hassan (ra) to be the imam. am i right? they instead mean that imam hussain (ra) inherited the title after hazrat ali (ra) shia jaafri ithna ashari ali (ra) hassan (ra) hussain (ra) ali zayn ul abedeen (ra) mohammad baqr (ra) jaafar saadiq (ra) musa kazim ali rida mohammad taqi ali hadi hasan askari mohammad mahdi shia jaafri ismaili nizari and mustali (agha khani and bohrai) ali (ra) hussain (ra) ali zayn ul abedeen (ra) mohammad baqr (ra) jaafar saadiq (ra) ismail ibn jaafar mohammad ibn ismail ... ... fatimid caliphs ... druze split ... nizari - mustali split ... ... ... prince karim agha khan (current imam 49th) shia zaydi ali (ra) hassan (ra) hussain (ra) ali zayn ul abedeen (ra) zayd ibn ali yahya ibn zayd ... ... ... different zaydi states ... ... ... last zaydi state in northern yemen, imamate abolished in 1969 imam mohammad hamiduddin imam yahya ibn mohammad imam ahmad ibn yahya imam al-badr ibn ahmad
  5. Morg

    thank you

    no no no , i just want to thank you guys. not leaving here nono
  6. Morg

    thank you

    i just want to thank all of you brother and sister since i came on this site argued with you and discussed the matters which divdes and complete us (sunni and shia) i have learnet alot about both the sects of sunni and shia. its was a pleasure to make friends here and see the small minority of members who not only talk about unity, but express the view with theyr attitude. it is also great to discuss sensitive matters with you guys without starting secterian fight and slandering. i really appresiate that sincerely Mohammad Usman Asif and yeah if anyone from pakistan then please visit the site muziqpakistan. we need some members there to chit chat about our everyday life.
  7. ^^ quran mentions it too. shia of mosa (as) or ibrahim (as) i think the dictionaries and various books also confirms that shia means party, same goes to hizb as in hizb e ihtilaaf = opposition party hizb Allah = allahs party and so on. it could as matter of fact also be hizb ali = party of ali , both words has the same meaning, at theyr origin, but later shia got a more religious twist as shian e ali are known and since they are recognised as the second big sect beside sunnis thereby the word shia in itself refers to shia jaafri ithna ashari and all the groups under the umbrella shia as ismaili and zaydi... while hizb is used more common in arabia as a political group
  8. ^^ once again shia means party. and there was no shia sunni back then, there was a group called shian e ali, partisans of ali / supporters of ali , and there was shian e ... you name it. there was parties and supporters for all the major caliphs in early islam. these groups had no theological difference, but political and matter of leadership was the question they strived for as for what we sunnis were called. the term ahle sunnah wal jamaah and shia jaafri ithna ashari were formed alot of time after the khalifa rashedeen. sunnis had theyr name emerged from the time of imam noman ibn abu hanifa (ra) and until imam ghazali (ra) while shia jaafri formed from the time of imam jaafar saadiq (ra) (from the same time as imam hanifa (ra)) and until the ghaybah sughra of the son of imam hasan askari (ra) imam mohammad mahdi. the term ithna ashari came after the birth (as claimed by shia brethren) of mohammad ibn hasan askari, before that they was either called shia jaafri or other group shia jaafri IHDA ashari (11ers)
  9. was not meanth to write warith deen. sorry
  10. sects and subsects within the sunni jamaah ahle sunnah wal jamaah has four major schools of thought (madhabbs), there used to be more, but the four survived as the major ones. they are following hanbali (imam noman ibn thabit abu hanifa (ra)) maliki (imam malik (ra)) shafei (imam mohammad ibn idris al-shafei (ra)) hanbali (imam ahmad ibn hanbal (ra)) pluss there are kalaam schools which are followed by all the madhabbs, the 2 major ones are the ashariya and maturdiya later on there have been other differences within the madhabbs too, as how much to be spiritual or be logical... this divition has existed since the sahabas time, but they have varied. as scholars like abdul wahaab came the divition became bigger, and they who rejected sufism would clearify themselves as al-muwahedeen, while theyr opponents would calle them wahabis or salafis. the deobandis are muwahedeens but they wollow schools of law. salafis (wahabis) does not follow any particular schools of thought these differens are minor, and mere small theological differences thereby they are called madhabbs, kalaams and tariqats. the other groups which is not a part of sunni islam now, and which got astray are these ones al-jamaah al-ahmadiyya ahmadiyya anjuman ishait e islam lahore parvezi (chaakraalvis) zigri/zikri goharshahi nation of islam warith deen ... .. there are many small sects which have gone away from the mainstream sunni aqeeda
  11. i just want to say that this topic is wonderful. mashallah.
  12. the ibadhis are a small offshot from the old khwarijite sect. they are often called neo khwarijites, something they reject (becouse of the incident of nahrawan) or may be other reason. they got the name ibadhis from one of the early imams of the khwarijite sect. Abdullah ibn Ibadh al-Tamimi, theyr leader suceeded each others in a non blood line, and had the title imams. later on they developed into several imamates. but one of the major powers of them were in northern iran (tabaristan) later on they got power in oman. they also had several kingdoms in northern africa. there is also small population of ibadhites in northern africa (libya) theyr theology depends on much of the basis of violent use (and can thereby be wery similiar to the zaydis in yemen) the khwarijites were early considered a third group other than sunnis and shias. they the khilafate of hazrat uthman (ra) and hazrat ali (ra). theyr attitude is that if a ruler can be deposed by riot/revolution and any male can be a leader not necesarry a syed or a quraishi. today they are lesser militant, this may come from the aggresive teachings of imam ibn taymiyya who used the political teology from the ibadhites. and abdul wahaab who blended ibn taymiyya and ibadhite thoughts. (note that najd is not far away from oman, the area of the gulf had great trade thereby thoughts were shared)
  13. i think it is the same reason as the shias. and as the jews. to pay respec to god. in where we cover our heads. i dont know more than that. although it is a sunnat to wear a green turban
  14. actually all sunnis do that. i am a hanafi, and every masjid i have been into they cover theyr head. either by hats (topi) or a scarf (the arabic one) or a turban... and so on. caps and yankees :D hats are also popular haha majority (99% ) of the sunnis of bangladesh and india are of the hanadi fiqh. the maliki fiqh is found in northern africa.
  15. the actions before accepting islam were of ignorants. they accepted islam and followed the right path. they remained muslims until they died thereby considered sahabas and important sources of hadiths. the allegations against the last person you mentioned is disputed among sunnis. as i have said earlier. our sources may differ and there is nothing we can do about it.
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