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    Is this Sunni right? Can some one explain?

    There is a very good book available for download Documents of the Right Word http://www.hakikatkitabevi.net/book.php?bookCode=020 it's a good book to read and to check and recheck
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    My post did not say not to believe in all al-Kafi not even implied - I posted qualified scholars/faqih and alike upon their opinion of one of the great compilation of hadeeth; al-Kafi. Yet there's nothing like the Qur'an or similar or equal to it. Even there are non Islamic elements that tried to introduce that our Holy book has been changed or being incomplete - But Qur'an and true descendant of Prophet ﷺ (proven by there unbroken chain of silsila/nasab to Al-Hasan or Al-Hussain - without this they happened to be fake) will stand until Yaum al Akhir - for these two will never go apart (thaqalayn)) . As I, commoner, or others expert, Qur'an should be the ultimate source, second the Prophets ﷺ - even then any compilation of any hadeeth if it contradict the Qur'an - since it was compiled by men with great effort and intention - cannot be guaranteed. Qur'an is absolute revelation from Allah ﷻ - the sayings of Prophets as well are revelation" Nor does he speak of his own desire. It is only revelation which is revealed to him ." (QS 53:4-5) - again the compilation of any hadeeth happened few decades after our beloved Nabi Muhammad bin Abdillah bin AbdulMutalib ﷺ passed away. The oldest compilation was collected by a student of Imam Ja'far Assadiq عليه السلام that is Imam Malik رضي الله عنه, the Muwatta, The Muslim Jurist, Muhammad ibn Idris ash-Shafi`I رضي الله عنه famously said, "There is not on the face of the earth a book – after the Book of Allah (Al-Qur'an) – which is more authentic than the book of Malik.", Imam Muhammad ibn Idris ash-Shafi`I was student of Imam Ismail Ibn Ja’far عليهم السلام and Imam Malik رضي الله عنه as well. wallahua'lam
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    I posted qualified scholars opinion about it.
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    It's time to use the first one but leave the latter behind
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    السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته Basic principles of any narrations, if agrees with Al-Qur'an, basic Principles of islam like were taught by the prophet ﷺ, Imams عليهم السلام, and righteous scholars رَحِمَهُم اللهُ - some also have to be acceptable with sound mind and ethical. But if the narrations against what was mentioned above, thus we can put aside that Hadith and let just accept the scholars opinion on this matter and avoid to start from point zero and try to re-invent the wheel again for the same old matter. Any book other than Al-Qur'an is not guaranteed to be correct 100% بسم الله الرحمان الرحيم my two cents; take the saheeh and hasan from any book of Hadeeth, and leave anything that contained error according to the scholars of the subject. Mr. Petruk (your profile picture from the Indonesian puppet shadow figure) there are sayings of ulemas about Al-Kafi, below is (copy and paste) opinion of scholars about Al-Kafi: Al-Kulayni, in his introduction of Al-Kafi, wrote:“Verily, you solemnly wished that you possess a book (Al-Kafi) which is sufficient, brings together the entire Islamic sciences of the knowledge of religion within it, wholly satisfies the needs of the student, acts as a reference for the seekers of guidance, and would be used by those who want to attain the knowledge of religion and practice upon it by deriving Saheeh (authentic) narrations of the as-Sadiqayn (truthful ones) (as) and the upright and acted upon traditions from it—through which the compulsory duties of Allāh, the Powerful and Exalted, and the tradition of His Prophet (saws) can be fulfilled."Comment:The statment says "Saheeh narrations from as-Sadiqayn, where as-Sadiqayn are al-Baqir and as-Sadiq. Now the question is, did al-Kulayni only narrate from as-Sadiqayn?, the answer is No, he also narrates from other than as-Sadiqayn from the Imams, and even from non-Ma'sumin. Sayyed al-Khoei views on word "Sadiqayn": أولا : إن السائل إنما سأل محمد بن يعقوب تأليف كتاب مشتمل على الآثار الصحيحة عن الصادقين سلام الله عليهم ، ولم يشترط عليه أن لا يذكر فيه غير الرواية الصحيحة ، أو ما صح عن غير الصادقين عليهم السلام ، ومحمد بن يعقوب قد أعطاه ما سأله ، فكتب كتابا مشتملا على الآثار الصحيحة عن الصادقين عليهم السلام في جميع فنون علم الدين ، وإن إشتمل كتابه على غير الآثار الصحيحة عنهم عليهم السلام ، أو الصحيحة عن غيرهم أيضا إستطرادا وتتميما للفائدة Firstly: what the questioner (who prompted the writing of the book) had asked of Muhammad b. Yaqub was the authorship of a book which encompasses the Sahih Athar(narrations) from as-Sadiqayn, and he did not put forth as a condition that it should not contain any Athar which are not Sahih from as-Sadiqayn, nor that all the Athar should only be from as-Sadiqayn, and Muhammad bin Yaqub gave him what he asked for, so he wrote a book that encompasses the Sahih Athar from as-Sadiqayn in all aspects of Ulum al-Diin, but he did not burden himself with only Sahih Athar from as-Sadiqayn or only narrating from Sadiqayn, and what proves what we have just pointed out is the fact that Muhammad b. Yaqub narrates alot in al-Kafi from Ghayr as-Sadiqayn. (i.e. in other words, if he can narrate from Ghayr as-Sadiqayn, then he can also narrate what is not Sahih, that is, he did not bind himself with ONLY including Sahih Athar from as-Sadiqayn, as his practise in narrating from Ghayr as-Sadiqayn shows).Source: Mu'jam Rijaal al-hadeeth by Sayyed al-Khoei,Vol 1,Pg 82Comment:As Sayyed al-Khoei says: he(Kulayni) did what was asked of him, he wrote a book that encompasses the Sahih Athar from as-Sadiqin, but he did not limit himself to this, and also included what is not from as-Sadiqin.Now if he can narrate from the Non-Sadiqin, then that is enough proof that this statement of his is not a Statement of Hasr ie. etablishing limit of what he is going to do, but rather it is a statement of preponderance, ie. he thinks that Most of what I am going to do is include Sahih Athar from as-Sadiqin. Argument of word as-Sadiqayn: And if some one argue regarding word as-Sadiqayn (the truthful ones), and believe it to be as-Sadiqeen (all the truthful Imams). which mean Shekih Kulayni was referring to all the Imams. which proves that he had narrated only saheeh hadeeth. This can be answered with the fact that Sheikh Kulyani has not simply narrated hadeeth from Masumeen (ie Imams) but rather there are narration from Ghayr Masomeen (ie Non Imams) also. Which proves that not all what he has narrated in his books are saheeh.And in the case of whether narration in al-Kafi are only from Masumeen or with Ghayr Masumeen, al-Khoei states that: وهذا الكلام ظاهر في أن محمد بن يعقوب لم يكن يعتقد صدور روايات كتابه عن المعصومين عليهم السلام جزما ، وإلا لم يكن مجال للاستشهاد بالرواية على لزوم الاخذ بالمشهور من الروايتين عند التعارض ، فان هذا لا يجتمع مع الجزم بصدور كلتيهما ، فإن الشهرة إنما تكون مرجحة لتمييز الصادر عن غيره ، ولا مجال للترجيح بها مع الجزم بالصدور. And these words from al-Kulayni (about judging for Shuhra in case of Ikhtilaf) are clear in proving that Muhammad bin Yaqub did not believe that all his Ahadith actually and certainly originated from the Ma’sumin, and if that were the case, there would be no reason for him to quote the Riwayah that obligates taking what is Mashur (famous) from two conflicting Riwayat (in his introduction), for this does not equate with the belief that both the conflicting Riwayat originated from the Ma’sumin, since Shuhra (fame) is only a distinguishing factor to discover what actually originated from them and what did not, and there is no way to use Shuhra to choose one when both of them originated from the Imam.Source: Mu'jam Rijaal al-hadeeth by Sayyed al-Khoei,Vol 1,Pg 25Views of some of the Scholars on Authenticity of al-Kafi Though,there are some Shia scholar who believe in complete authenticity of al-Kafi on simply basis of the above statement of Kulayni which al-Khoei has refuted.While majority of scholar do not consider it to be completely Saheeh.#1: Sheikh Sadooq (d.381 AH): And Sheikh Sadooq who was Student of Sheikh Kulayni, did not considered all of the hadeeth in his book (ie al-kafi) to be authentic (saheeh). أنّ الشيخ الصدوق : قدّس سرّه : لم يكن يعتقد صحّة جميع مافي الكافي "Shaykh as-Sadooq did not regard all of the traditions in al-Kāfī to be Sahih (truthful)."Source: Mu'jam Rijaal al-hadeeth by Sayyed al-Khoei,Vol 1,Pg 85#2: Sheikh Muhammad Baqir Majlisi (d.1111 AH):Allamah Baqir Majlisi wrote a commentary on Al-Kafi ie "Mirat ul Uqool" where he as explicitly graded each Hadeeth.Allamah Baqir Majlisi states in his commentary that 58% of narrations in al-Kafi are unreliable.#3: Muhammad Muhsin Aqa Buzurg Tehrani (d.1389): و هو اجل الكتب الاربعة الاصول المعتمدة عليه لم يكتب مثله فى المنقول من آل الرسول . لثقة الاسلام محمد بن يعقوب بن اسحاق الكلينى الرازى ، ابن اخت علان الكلينى ، و المتوفى328 مشتمل على اربعة و ثلاثين كتابا ، و ثلاثمائة و ستة و عشرين بابا ، و احاديثه حصرت فى ستة عشر الف حديث ، الصحيح 5072 . الحسن 144 ، الموثق 178 ، القوى302 ، الضعيف9485 . It is one of the four glorified usool books depended upon, and nothing is written like it that is transmitted from the progeny of the Messenger (of Allaah) (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم). It is of thiqah al-islaam Muhammad bin Ya`qoob bin Ishaaq al-Kulayni al-Raazi, ibn ukht `alaan al-Kulayni. He died in 328*. It includes 34 books, and 326 chapters, and in it are narrated 16000 hadeeth. 5072 SaHeeH (Authentic), 144 Hasan (Good), 178 Muwaththaq (Reliable),302 Qawi (Strong), 9485 Da`eef (Weak).Source: Dharee`ah ila tasaaneef al-Shee`ah by al-Tehraani,, Vol 17, Pg 245.#4: Sayyid Hashim Ma'ruf al-Hasani (d.1403 AH):There was no consensus(Ijma) among the earlier scholars as to the reliability of all of al-Kafi's narrations in their generalities as well as in their details. He went on to say: "In the ahadith contained in al-Kafi, whose total is 16199, only 5072 are authentic (sahih), 44 are hasan, 1128 are muwath-thaq, 302 are qawiyy (strong) and 9553 are dhaif (weak)."Source: Diraasaatun Fil Hadith Walmuhaddithiyn by Hashim al-Hasani,Pg 132-137#5: Ayatullah Sayyed al-Khoei (d. 1413 AH): لانّ فيها مرسلات وفيها روايات في اسنادها مجاهيل، ومن إشتهر بالوضع والكذب There is within it (al-Kafi) traditions, whose chains of narration contain (known) ignorant, liars and fabricators."Source: Mu'jam Rijaal al-hadeeth by Sayyed al-Khoei,Vol 1,Pg 85 How Sheikh al-Kulayni actually wanted us to take hadeeth from his books al-Kulayni himself brings some rules of how to resolve contradictions, and to shift between authentic material and otherwise in the very same Muqadima. فاعلم يا أخي أرشدك الله أنه لا يسع أحدا " تمييز شئ مما اختلف الرواية فيه عن العلماء عليهم السلام برأيه، إلا على ما أطلقه العالم بقوله عليه السلام: " اعرضوها على كتاب الله فما وافى كتاب الله عز وجل فخذوه، وما خالف كتاب الله فردوه " و قوله عليه السلام: " دعوا ما وافق القوم فإن الرشد في خلافهم " وقوله عليه السلام " خذوا بالمجمع عليه، فإن المجمع عليه لا ريب فيه " ونحن لا نعرف من جميع ذلك إلا أقله ولا نجد شيئا " أحوط ولا أوسع من رد علم ذلك كله إلى العالم عليه السلام وقبول ما وسع من الأمر فيه بقوله عليه السلام: " بأيما أخذتم من باب التسليم وسعكم Know O brother, may Allah grant you guidance, that there is no other way to sort out the confusion that comes from the variation of the narrations from the Ulama (i.e. Imams) except by the help of the principles that the Alim (i.e. Imam of Ahlulbayt) had set when he said - "Compare a narration with the text of the Holy Quran. Whatever agrees with the Holy Quran is acceptable and what does not agree is rejected." he had also said, - "Leave alone what agrees with the views of the others because the right is in what is opposite to them." Also what he has said of his words - "Follow what is unanimously agreed upon because there is no harm in what is unanimously agreed upon."And we are only able to apply such principles except to very few of such cases. And we do not find any thing better and more precautionary (when dealing with the majority of cases) other than to refer all these cases to the Imam and accept that which is within the limit of his words, "Whichever you would follow in submission and obedience is excusable for you."Source: al-Kafi by Kulayni,Vol 1,Pg 8.al-Kulayni is laying down some principles for resolving variation in Hadith by looking at what the Imams had to say about it, thus:1. "Compare a narration with the text of the Holy Quran. Whatever agrees with the Holy Quran is acceptable and what does not agree is rejected."2. "Leave alone what agrees with the views of the others because the right is in what is opposite to them."3. "Follow what is unanimously agreed upon because there is no harm in what is unanimously agreed upon."He then says 'We are only able to apply such principles to very few of such cases'.Thus, we do not find any thing better and more precautionary than:4. "Which ever you would follow in submission and obedience is excusable for you."Thus, If a person who himself guide how to resolve Variation in his tradition,then how come he at the same time believe in complete authenticity of his books. wallahua'lam والسلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
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    Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi, Sufiyani?

    His name is Ibrahim Awwad Ibrahim Ali Muhammad al-Badri al-Samarrai Arabic: إبراهيم عواض إبراهيم علي محمد البدري السامرائي‎ He claimed to be from sayyid al-hussainy (we need proof of legitimate nasab - silsilah) - if he could produce one - i still don't believe this shaitan is descendant of Prophet ﷺ‎ He is worse that iblis in human form
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    Insulting The Companions

    Assalamualaykum Warrahmatullahi Wabarakatuhu I am a Sunni, Shafii - as a shafii we were taught the History of Islam regarding Imam Ali AS, Imam Hasan AS, Imam Hussain AS through our classic books - yes we say Alaihi Salaam to ahlul bayt - and the base is from our salawat: Allahuma Sali Ala Sayyidina Muhammad wa Ala Aali Sayyidina Muhammad - which we do in every salaat - there fore for Aali (family/kin) of Muhammad we say Alaihi/Alaiha salaam. And for righteous sahaba we say radiallahu anhu. We know about Siffin, The poison of Imam Hasan AS and Karbala etc. Probably our difference with Shia are our view on the Khulafa Arrashidin (6 - Abubakar RA, Umar RA, Uthman RA, Imam Ali AS, Imam Hasan AS, and Umar ibn Abdul Aziz RA(who stopped the practice of cursing Imam Ali AS) I was just banned from sunniforum.com because I said la'natullah alaa Muawiyyah, Yazid, Marwan and Hajjaj bin Yusuf and all Nawasib (Haters of Ahlul Bayt) except Umar ibn Abdul Aziz RA - which none of them are considered as sahaba and I include a link from Dr. Adnan Ibrahim or and Ibn Taimiyyah is also a nasibi what the heck ..... sunniforum is dominated by nasibi (wahaby/salafi) too .... So I said now la'natullah alfu marah alaa Muawiyyah, Yazid, Marwan and Hajjaj bin Yusuf and all Nawasib.
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    Islam Has Been Hijacked

    Masha Allah, I love Adnan Ibrahim, he speaks the truth about our condition, oh ummah of Sayyidina Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family) wake up.